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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Jul 15 10.31am
Quote sidman at 16 Jul 2015 9.08am Why do we need so many mosques? Also what was the reason for the pub closing? Market forces. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote sidman at 16 Jul 2015 9.08am

Why do we need so many mosques? Also what was the reason for the pub closing?

Market forces.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Jul 15 10.52am
Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 10.34am Quote dannyh at 15 Jul 2015 8.54am Quote RougeFish at 30 Apr 2015 5.15pm Quote Turd Alert at 27 Apr 2015 2.29pm basically what it say's in the title. i personally hope not (No offence)i am not racist at all just not something i wish to promote. The issue isn't one of religion per se, but the cultural adherence to the practice among immigrants and refugees from countries who bring it with them. Its incidence is higher among Muslims families, but from what I can tell the issue remains, irrespective of whether the family are Muslim, Anamist or Christian. It needs to be stamped out, entirely though, irrespective of nationality. Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am Again I was talking about the UK. Again to my knowledge no christians in the UK would stone to death or beat a child for being educated, nor would they want to, where as some of the sharia nutters in the UK want to be able to do exactly that, nor would they be made to marry someone they have never clapped eyes on, and yet this is common among the Islamic community. There are some, no doubt, but again Islam isn't the only religion that practices arranged marriages in the UK. Generally again the issue isn't so much one of Islam in specific, Hinduism has similar hardliners who view women as an object - The problems tend to be where immigration is recent and traditional cultural values have been retained. I'm not sure that many Muslims in the UK seem to want to stone women or beat children for being educated - although certainly there are some. Its important I feel to tackle these issues where they occur in the UK but invariably first generation and second generation migrants tend to cling to their home culture. The situations in the Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Middle East etc have led to a lot of very primitive muslim cultures arriving in the UK. Of course there are Christian Right sects in the UK that campaign against Women's Rights. Women in Ireland are restricted in terms of reproductive rights by the force of Catholicism. The situation in all cases is abhorrent. Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am I wasn't talking about other backward nations, I was talking about the way Islam in Britain is percieved, and carried out by some people in Britain. Probably because most people seem to be focused on the extremists that make the news, rather than the family down the street. I've known quite a few Muslims now never met any that seemed to be anything other than normal people. I've known a few who like to drink (in moderation) and some that are even atheist. I worked with a guy for five years who fled Iran, nothing about him was anything other than kindly and generous. Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am We in this country are by and large a forward thinking bunch with racism (ironically) being now more the premise of the angsty enthnic youth. Any trip down West Croydon and Fort neeth will prove my point. Definitely true, Islam itself isn't the problem, specific kinds of Islam are the problem. Same with all religions, there are those which are integrated or sane, and those that simply reject out of hand anything they don't understand. The problem is we tend to see Islam, Christian, Hindu, rather than understanding that each of these has a massive diversity within them, stretching from Nutbar looney to the most pleasant. Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am And just to sort of quantify what I am saying, on the one hand the Christians have the Vicar of Dibley, the Muslims have Abu Hamzar Al-Masri. See my point ? Well we also have Britain First, which is a Christian Fundamentalist Movement. And of course there are those pesky Protestant and Catholic groups that have spent the last 100 years (and longer) antagonizing and occasionally murdering one another. Edited by jamiemartin721 (16 Jul 2015 10.53am) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 16 Jul 15 10.52am

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 10.34am

Quote dannyh at 15 Jul 2015 8.54am

Quote RougeFish at 30 Apr 2015 5.15pm

Quote Turd Alert at 27 Apr 2015 2.29pm

basically what it say's in the title.

i personally hope not (No offence)i am not racist at all just not something i wish to promote.

The issue isn't one of religion per se, but the cultural adherence to the practice among immigrants and refugees from countries who bring it with them. Its incidence is higher among Muslims families, but from what I can tell the issue remains, irrespective of whether the family are Muslim, Anamist or Christian. It needs to be stamped out, entirely though, irrespective of nationality.

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am

Again I was talking about the UK. Again to my knowledge no christians in the UK would stone to death or beat a child for being educated, nor would they want to, where as some of the sharia nutters in the UK want to be able to do exactly that, nor would they be made to marry someone they have never clapped eyes on, and yet this is common among the Islamic community.

There are some, no doubt, but again Islam isn't the only religion that practices arranged marriages in the UK. Generally again the issue isn't so much one of Islam in specific, Hinduism has similar hardliners who view women as an object - The problems tend to be where immigration is recent and traditional cultural values have been retained.

I'm not sure that many Muslims in the UK seem to want to stone women or beat children for being educated - although certainly there are some. Its important I feel to tackle these issues where they occur in the UK but invariably first generation and second generation migrants tend to cling to their home culture. The situations in the Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Middle East etc have led to a lot of very primitive muslim cultures arriving in the UK.

Of course there are Christian Right sects in the UK that campaign against Women's Rights. Women in Ireland are restricted in terms of reproductive rights by the force of Catholicism.

The situation in all cases is abhorrent.

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am

I wasn't talking about other backward nations, I was talking about the way Islam in Britain is percieved, and carried out by some people in Britain.

Probably because most people seem to be focused on the extremists that make the news, rather than the family down the street. I've known quite a few Muslims now never met any that seemed to be anything other than normal people. I've known a few who like to drink (in moderation) and some that are even atheist. I worked with a guy for five years who fled Iran, nothing about him was anything other than kindly and generous.

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am

We in this country are by and large a forward thinking bunch with racism (ironically) being now more the premise of the angsty enthnic youth. Any trip down West Croydon and Fort neeth will prove my point.

Definitely true, Islam itself isn't the problem, specific kinds of Islam are the problem. Same with all religions, there are those which are integrated or sane, and those that simply reject out of hand anything they don't understand.

The problem is we tend to see Islam, Christian, Hindu, rather than understanding that each of these has a massive diversity within them, stretching from Nutbar looney to the most pleasant.

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am

And just to sort of quantify what I am saying, on the one hand the Christians have the Vicar of Dibley, the Muslims have Abu Hamzar Al-Masri.

See my point ?

Well we also have Britain First, which is a Christian Fundamentalist Movement. And of course there are those pesky Protestant and Catholic groups that have spent the last 100 years (and longer) antagonizing and occasionally murdering one another.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 16 Jul 15 12.34pm
Quote sidman at 16 Jul 2015 9.08am Why do we need so many mosques? Also what was the reason for the pub closing? We don't - they do. Chucking out time? mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Quote sidman at 16 Jul 2015 9.08am

Why do we need so many mosques? Also what was the reason for the pub closing?

We don't - they do. Chucking out time?

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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 16 Jul 15 6.08pm
hopefully it'll still be licensed. Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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hopefully it'll still be licensed.

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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elgrande bedford 16 Jul 15 9.13pm
Quote kingdowieonthewall at 16 Jul 2015 6.08pm hopefully it'll still be licensed. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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Quote kingdowieonthewall at 16 Jul 2015 6.08pm

hopefully it'll still be licensed.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Jul 2015 10.52am Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 10.34am Quote dannyh at 15 Jul 2015 8.54am Quote RougeFish at 30 Apr 2015 5.15pm Quote Turd Alert at 27 Apr 2015 2.29pm basically what it say's in the title. i personally hope not (No offence)i am not racist at all just not something i wish to promote. The issue isn't one of religion per se, but the cultural adherence to the practice among immigrants and refugees from countries who bring it with them. Its incidence is higher among Muslims families, but from what I can tell the issue remains, irrespective of whether the family are Muslim, Anamist or Christian. It needs to be stamped out, entirely though, irrespective of nationality. Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am Again I was talking about the UK. Again to my knowledge no christians in the UK would stone to death or beat a child for being educated, nor would they want to, where as some of the sharia nutters in the UK want to be able to do exactly that, nor would they be made to marry someone they have never clapped eyes on, and yet this is common among the Islamic community. There are some, no doubt, but again Islam isn't the only religion that practices arranged marriages in the UK. Generally again the issue isn't so much one of Islam in specific, Hinduism has similar hardliners who view women as an object - The problems tend to be where immigration is recent and traditional cultural values have been retained. I'm not sure that many Muslims in the UK seem to want to stone women or beat children for being educated - although certainly there are some. Its important I feel to tackle these issues where they occur in the UK but invariably first generation and second generation migrants tend to cling to their home culture. The situations in the Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Middle East etc have led to a lot of very primitive muslim cultures arriving in the UK. Of course there are Christian Right sects in the UK that campaign against Women's Rights. Women in Ireland are restricted in terms of reproductive rights by the force of Catholicism. The situation in all cases is abhorrent. Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am I wasn't talking about other backward nations, I was talking about the way Islam in Britain is percieved, and carried out by some people in Britain. Probably because most people seem to be focused on the extremists that make the news, rather than the family down the street. I've known quite a few Muslims now never met any that seemed to be anything other than normal people. I've known a few who like to drink (in moderation) and some that are even atheist. I worked with a guy for five years who fled Iran, nothing about him was anything other than kindly and generous. Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am We in this country are by and large a forward thinking bunch with racism (ironically) being now more the premise of the angsty enthnic youth. Any trip down West Croydon and Fort neeth will prove my point. Definitely true, Islam itself isn't the problem, specific kinds of Islam are the problem. Same with all religions, there are those which are integrated or sane, and those that simply reject out of hand anything they don't understand. The problem is we tend to see Islam, Christian, Hindu, rather than understanding that each of these has a massive diversity within them, stretching from Nutbar looney to the most pleasant. Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am And just to sort of quantify what I am saying, on the one hand the Christians have the Vicar of Dibley, the Muslims have Abu Hamzar Al-Masri. See my point ? Well we also have Britain First, which is a Christian Fundamentalist Movement. And of course there are those pesky Protestant and Catholic groups that have spent the last 100 years (and longer) antagonizing and occasionally murdering one another. Edited by jamiemartin721 (16 Jul 2015 10.53am) Hahahaha Britain First are no more a Christian organisation than the Holmesdale Fanatics. My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Jul 2015 10.52am

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 10.34am

Quote dannyh at 15 Jul 2015 8.54am

Quote RougeFish at 30 Apr 2015 5.15pm

Quote Turd Alert at 27 Apr 2015 2.29pm

basically what it say's in the title.

i personally hope not (No offence)i am not racist at all just not something i wish to promote.

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am

Of course there are Christian Right sects in the UK that campaign against Women's Rights. Women in Ireland are restricted in terms of reproductive rights by the force of Catholicism.

The situation in all cases is abhorrent.

Quote dannyh at 16 Jul 2015 8.59am

I wasn't talking about other backward nations, I was talking about the way Islam in Britain is percieved, and carried out by some people in Britain.

Hahahaha Britain First are no more a Christian organisation than the Holmesdale Fanatics.

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 15 9.46am
Sorry that should be Britain First claim themselves to be a Christian Fundamentalist movement, the founder Jim Dowson, has links with Loyalist and Anti-Abortion groups across the UK like the UK Life League and describes himself as a Scottish Christian Fundamentalist. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Sorry that should be Britain First claim themselves to be a Christian Fundamentalist movement, the founder Jim Dowson, has links with Loyalist and Anti-Abortion groups across the UK like the UK Life League and describes himself as a Scottish Christian Fundamentalist.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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sidman London 17 Jul 15 10.21am
It's sad that we're losing our pubs and we're losing everything that is British. What was once a focal point is now no more. I've never been to that pub, but from what I can see it has potential to be a great pub and with better control it would be a success. There should be no more mosques because how many do we need to have? It almost feels that this country is going to be a Muslim one. I know people will say I'm racist and to them I say suck my balls.
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It's sad that we're losing our pubs and we're losing everything that is British. What was once a focal point is now no more.

I've never been to that pub, but from what I can see it has potential to be a great pub and with better control it would be a success.

There should be no more mosques because how many do we need to have? It almost feels that this country is going to be a Muslim one.

I know people will say I'm racist and to them I say suck my balls.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 17 Jul 15 10.49am
Quote sidman at 17 Jul 2015 10.21am It's sad that we're losing our pubs and we're losing everything that is British. What was once a focal point is now no more. I've never been to that pub, but from what I can see it has potential to be a great pub and with better control it would be a success. There should be no more mosques because how many do we need to have? It almost feels that this country is going to be a Muslim one. I know people will say I'm racist and to them I say suck my balls. well then you had better have more babies if you want to stem the tide. Sucking your balls is not going to get the job done. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Quote sidman at 17 Jul 2015 10.21am

It's sad that we're losing our pubs and we're losing everything that is British. What was once a focal point is now no more.

I know people will say I'm racist and to them I say suck my balls.

well then you had better have more babies if you want to stem the tide. Sucking your balls is not going to get the job done.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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johnfirewall 17 Jul 15 10.51am
Quote sidman at 17 Jul 2015 10.21am It's sad that we're losing our pubs and we're losing everything that is British. What was once a focal point is now no more. I've never been to that pub, but from what I can see it has potential to be a great pub and with better control it would be a success. There should be no more mosques because how many do we need to have? It almost feels that this country is going to be a Muslim one. I know people will say I'm racist and to them I say suck my balls. It probably will be, unless they grow out of religion like the once Christian UK has. I'd like to think that the followers have their origins in less progressive nations and will eventually see sense. Although we wound up favouring drinking and football over going to church so this is quite a significant indication of the change in demand. It's unusual when a pub isn't turned in to flats and makes me wonder what's going on when a local authority isn't motivated by the council tax revenue. It will hopefully aleviate your worries in a few years if mosques start turning in to flats like churches have.
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Quote sidman at 17 Jul 2015 10.21am

It's sad that we're losing our pubs and we're losing everything that is British. What was once a focal point is now no more.

I know people will say I'm racist and to them I say suck my balls.

It probably will be, unless they grow out of religion like the once Christian UK has. I'd like to think that the followers have their origins in less progressive nations and will eventually see sense. Although we wound up favouring drinking and football over going to church so this is quite a significant indication of the change in demand.

It's unusual when a pub isn't turned in to flats and makes me wonder what's going on when a local authority isn't motivated by the council tax revenue. It will hopefully aleviate your worries in a few years if mosques start turning in to flats like churches have.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 15 11.12am
Quote sidman at 17 Jul 2015 10.21am It's sad that we're losing our pubs and we're losing everything that is British. What was once a focal point is now no more. I've never been to that pub, but from what I can see it has potential to be a great pub and with better control it would be a success. There should be no more mosques because how many do we need to have? It almost feels that this country is going to be a Muslim one. I know people will say I'm racist and to them I say suck my balls. Problem the Portmannor had was two fold. Firstly the company owning it went bankrupt. Secondly, it was really only ever busy on match days. When I used to go in there after each game, on a Saturday, it was busy until about 7pm and then largely dead (except for us and a few others). That probably changed once the HF made it their local, but then that brought additional headaches regarding license approval from the police (unfairly) and I'm not sure it was really that busy other than on Match Days. Shame, as I really liked it. But then not many people like dingy, bit run down boozers. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote sidman at 17 Jul 2015 10.21am

It's sad that we're losing our pubs and we're losing everything that is British. What was once a focal point is now no more.

I know people will say I'm racist and to them I say suck my balls.

Problem the Portmannor had was two fold. Firstly the company owning it went bankrupt. Secondly, it was really only ever busy on match days. When I used to go in there after each game, on a Saturday, it was busy until about 7pm and then largely dead (except for us and a few others).

That probably changed once the HF made it their local, but then that brought additional headaches regarding license approval from the police (unfairly) and I'm not sure it was really that busy other than on Match Days.

Shame, as I really liked it. But then not many people like dingy, bit run down boozers.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 15 11.14am
People seem to think that an all size fits one approach to Mosques applies, it doesn't like Christianity different sects and faiths have different mosques. Arguably the group moving into the site have a great reputation for community work and social interaction, and there presumably is a sizable Muslim population willing to use it. I see no problem with a mosque for this particular faith, in an area that's 'seen better days'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 17 Jul 15 11.14am

People seem to think that an all size fits one approach to Mosques applies, it doesn't like Christianity different sects and faiths have different mosques.

Arguably the group moving into the site have a great reputation for community work and social interaction, and there presumably is a sizable Muslim population willing to use it.

I see no problem with a mosque for this particular faith, in an area that's 'seen better days'.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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