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Helmet46 Croydon 03 Jan 21 8.42am | |
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Originally posted by doombear
Edited by doombear (02 Jan 2021 10.08pm) Yeah, sadly I agree with that. However, given how injury prone both Tomkins and Cahill are I reckon we should hang onto him unless there’s a cracking CB in the youth team who can step up.
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bromerzz Deryneia Cyprus 03 Jan 21 8.53am | |
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Clumsy, and thinks he is a playmaker, every time he gets the ball and wants to take on the opposition I cringe.
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Midlands Eagle 03 Jan 21 9.04am | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
I didn't think he improved the team at all outside of pressuring the club into spending money they didn't really have on players who would have helped the results every bit as much regardless of who was managing the team. I have just found my winner of the daft post of the week award I suppose that Klopp and Guardiola are rubbish managers too as their players would also be class for whoever managed them. In fact it was Allardyce who told the board the areas that we were weak in and persuaded the board to strengthen by buying three players who are still the mainstay of our team and if it wasn't for his skill in organising a team we would probably have been relegated and could well still be lingering in the Championship
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 03 Jan 21 9.57am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I have just found my winner of the daft post of the week award I suppose that Klopp and Guardiola are rubbish managers too as their players would also be class for whoever managed them. In fact it was Allardyce who told the board the areas that we were weak in and persuaded the board to strengthen by buying three players who are still the mainstay of our team and if it wasn't for his skill in organising a team we would probably have been relegated and could well still be lingering in the Championship To be fair we all knew that we had no left back after Souare’s accident or a holding midfield player and that Delaney was past his sell by date but I agree that the signings were decent. I seem to remember that there was a deficiency of pace in the team and PVA and Schlupp both brought some. Schlupp was dismissed as being crap by a fair proportion of our fan base but Roy has really helped him as a player IMO. Allardyce’s tenure is the only time in the last eight years that I thought we were gone but he pulled it out of the bag with the wins at Chelsea and Liverpool.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 03 Jan 21 12.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
Yeah, sadly I agree with that. However, given how injury prone both Tomkins and Cahill are I reckon we should hang onto him unless there’s a cracking CB in the youth team who can step up.
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TheBigToePunt 03 Jan 21 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I have just found my winner of the daft post of the week award I suppose that Klopp and Guardiola are rubbish managers too as their players would also be class for whoever managed them. In fact it was Allardyce who told the board the areas that we were weak in and persuaded the board to strengthen by buying three players who are still the mainstay of our team and if it wasn't for his skill in organising a team we would probably have been relegated and could well still be lingering in the Championship Klopp and guardiola have taken thier teams to heights several previous managers couldn't reach despite being very well resourced. Allardyce required far greater resources than any of his predecessors or successors just to stay at the same level they did. His skill in organising a team doesn't seem any greater than that demonstrated by Pulis or Hodgson, neither of whom had his backing. As for us probably getting relegated, did Sam tell you that? Edited by TheBigToePunt (03 Jan 2021 12.37pm)
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jan 21 12.49pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
Klopp and guardiola have taken thier teams to heights several previous managers couldn't reach despite being very well resourced. Allardyce required far greater resources than any of his predecessors or successors just to stay at the same level they did. His skill in organising a team doesn't seem any greater than that demonstrated by Pulis or Hodgson, neither of whom had his backing. As for us probably getting relegated, did Sam tell you that? Edited by TheBigToePunt (03 Jan 2021 12.37pm) When Allardyce was appointed we were 17th in the table after 17 games with just 15 pts. We lost 4 of his first 5 games in charge and we did drop into the relegation zone under him but we finished in 14th place so he achieved his objectives. Edited by Willo (03 Jan 2021 12.54pm)
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jeeagles 03 Jan 21 1.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
To be fair we all knew that we had no left back after Souare’s accident or a holding midfield player and that Delaney was past his sell by date but I agree that the signings were decent. I seem to remember that there was a deficiency of pace in the team and PVA and Schlupp both brought some. Schlupp was dismissed as being crap by a fair proportion of our fan base but Roy has really helped him as a player IMO. Allardyce’s tenure is the only time in the last eight years that I thought we were gone but he pulled it out of the bag with the wins at Chelsea and Liverpool. People seem to forget just how poor the options Pardew had in defence or holding midfields A lot was down to the policy of slowly building by making marquee signings and the age of the players that got us promoted. We had to take some risks too, leaving some positions vulnerable (particularly left back) as the squad needed strengthening in so many areas. Pardew, Roy, and Holloway aren't particularly strong in the transfer market. Allardyce immediately identified 4 players that would make a big difference. When we signed Schlupp I asked a Leicester supporting friend about him... he described him as, very fast, very strong, very very stupid. Which is fair. He can carry the ball up the pitch well which compliments Zaha and Eze. He always seems a bit slow to react to most things, I don't think he reads the game well.... thats probably why he didn't make it at Leicester and we have him. In my opinion, selling Tompkins or Sakho would be foolish and leave us exposed. The age of Cahill and Dann surely make them the more likely players to offload first. Or Kelly, due to lack of appearances. Offload all 3 and we will have £150k in wages saved, that can be used to find an upgrade on Sakho BEFORE we offload him.
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Midlands Eagle 03 Jan 21 1.18pm | |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
No Parish did when he sacked Pardew and brought in a new manager who was likely to be able to save us - which he did
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Jan 21 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
No Parish did when he sacked Pardew and brought in a new manager who was likely to be able to save us - which he did Decisive action by Mr Parish. We weren't in the bottom three when Pardew was removed of his duties but we had lost 8 of our previous 10 games.
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OldFella London 03 Jan 21 2.15pm | |
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Hodgson, Pardew and Pulis all had considerably better win %'s than Allardyce.
Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it.. |
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TheBigToePunt 03 Jan 21 3.04pm | |
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Originally posted by OldFella
Hodgson, Pardew and Pulis all had considerably better win %'s than Allardyce. Precisely. Yet Allardyce had far greater backing and blew his own trumpet far more. We had a terrible run of results under Pardew but that does not mean that we would have gone down. Parish later admitted to having panicked and overreacted if I recall.
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