You was doing alright until you mentioned those two cvnts

Given that we have been in the top division for a number of years one would argue we are an established Premier League club......until we get relegated. We all know that apart from the top 6 plus Everton every other club will at some point will go down. The likes of Leicester and Wolves are doing very well at the moment, but they could easily fall on hard times with a change of ownership. Its just the way it is.

Got to agree here. VAR and its hairline decisions is absolutely a farce. It seems as if things are going to carry on in the same vain

Man Utd seemed to benefit by the most penalties and Bournemouth were effectively relegated by VAR

My point was simply to question what seemed to be a poster's statement that SP wasn't our saviour 10 years ago, when in my book he clearly was.

What SP has done in recent years is an entirely different matter.

Everyone supporting Roy is judging him on his past performance (at Palace - not anywhere else) and saying we can keep him.

Finding a decent chairman is harder than finding a decent striker or manager. It's easy for fans to critise by just saying that Parish should spend more money. It's much easier spend other peoples money that your own. They should be judged over a number of years, not just one or two seasons.

He's taken the club from around 40th ish in the country to 15th ish, consistently with a small ground and low revenue. Burnley are the only club in with less rescources than us that consistently finish higher.

He's made mistakes, and generally come clean about them, taking on accountability. Hodgson always seems to have an excuse.

We went up with Cardiff, Hull, and Watford. Their chairmen all threw money at the club and look were they are now. Over a 10 year period we have consistently been run more efficiently and sustainably than pretty much any club of our size. Throw Brighton, QPR, Fulham, Newcastle, Leeds etc into the same mix, more backing, less success.

Meanwhile, we now have CAT 1 academy and a DoF who seems to be bringing in young tallent for the future at bargin basement prices games.

Some more food for thought, with 1 point and 3 goals in 8 games, any other manager would have been sacked. Parish seems to be sticking with him, yet the people who support Hodgson are blaming Parish for everything. Without a patient chairman who puts the long term future of the club above anything, Hodgeson wouldn't be here.

Thank heavens for some optimism, jeeagles! And as for our academy, how many Zahas and AWBs should we be expecting? It's unrealistic to hope for more than 1 or 2 every 5-7 years, isn't it? Given that the EPL pool consists of players from all over the globe, producing players who can simply earn a spot on a EPL squad is good work. Many posters seem to assume that Palace should be succeeding like a top-10 team when in fact there are really only 6-7 top-10 teams!