Rest In Peace, you are and were a wonderful woman, mother and humanitarian.

It is interesting that some people are queuing up to associate this dreadful murder with some sort of right wing organisation or the like and yet those very same people bend over backward to distance other appalling mass murders and atrocities from radical Islam or specifically ISIS when the terrorists themselves claim allegiance to the latter.

I think this individual genuinely appears to have had mental issues in the past and to try and rationalise, politisise or intelectualise theis is futile.

The Orlando killer might be a similar case but the he did claim allegiance to ISIS.

However let's not compare the tragic events of today to the Paris mass murders by terrorists or similar attacks because they are clearly not comparable. Those people did not have mental health issues. They were organised terrorists working against the West and what we stand for.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Jun 2016 11.10pm)

see berlinpalace's post below yours.

they may both have claimed allegiance to an ideology when committing murder, how affiliated each was is maybe rooted in our own bias as much as the facts. the miami shooter had a history of mental health issues too. it could be a mixed bag with both or they may both be seen as terrorist acts. it doesnt take away from how disgusting their acts were either way. im just highlighting your isis tunnelvision in the other thread and 'nothing to see' attitude here. youre embodying the same bias youre accusing others of.

i wouldnt and didnt as you well know compare this to the paris attack because that cleary was a very organised terrorist attack cell. there can be no two ways about it.

my point is that some were immediately positioning themselves to say 'who cares, he's mentally ill' regardless of what happened next once they found out he wasnt muslim. this doesnt fit the narrative people are inclined to look for so they dont know how to react when it does. it also explains the weird jokey vibe right when people have just been told that a mother of two has been shot in the head. i dont like islam or religion at all i think we'd be better off without imaginery sky friends but it doesnt stop me from realising that mental illness manifests in many ways and its not a valid excuse for one type of person from the off but not for another.

theres no point with this 'mentally ill, nothing to see' or 'its futile' angle. the authorities can decide how mentally gone this guy is or what hes all about once they have the full picture. until then people are basing it on what they want to have happened rather than what did. i for one have no idea what they will find out about him or how around the bend he is.

Edited by blackpalacefan (17 Jun 2016 12.34am)

But it is a fact that he was a member of an extremist, racist organization, even the extremist, racist organization admit that. But you think this is not relevant to him brutally murdering someone who campaigned for refugees? That is quite an interesting thought process you have working there.

It was more than one. And they seemed pretty sure, as sure as those who thought they did. As you say, time will tell.