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 7mins  In the bush 27 Apr 16 12.14pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Really? How interesting. So presumably that means I am of a particular political persuasion? I would love to know how you can impute that. Deflection tactic used by someone with a weak argument
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| matt_himself Matataland 27 Apr 16 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
No I'm not agreeing with you. The TOC's want to cut the amount of safety critical trained staff on trains by 50%, both unions (RMT and ASLEF) have opposed this, the reason they want to do this is so guards can sell tickets (a specific kind of ticket as well) if this goes thru and a guard leaves, they will replace them. It's not a numbers game it's a safety game. I can not change your view, no matter how many people who have worked in the industry tell you this is bad for passengers, you won't accept this... as it means you are wrong in your view that this is a selfish action by guards to protect jobs and money. You've just agreed with it! The TOC's don't want to employ people to collect fares, they are introducing guard less trains so that guards can collect fares. That appears to be a cutting costs because of they wanted someone to collect fares and also have guards they would, logically, have to employ someone else to do it. However, if people leave because hey become 'revenue collectors', and have worked on the trains for years, surely the TOC's will replace with cheaper staff? I fail to see why they would be looking to retain people with higher cost when they can recruit via agencies for staff on lower wages. You can argue all you want, and I respect the fact that you have inside knowledge, but this whole episode smells of cost reduction.
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| matt_himself Matataland 27 Apr 16 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Deflection tactic used by someone with a weak argument Not your business. Jog on.
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| matt_himself Matataland 27 Apr 16 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Really? How interesting. So presumably that means I am of a particular political persuasion? I would love to know how you can impute that. Through what you write in here, the style you write and the people you chose to regularly disagree with.
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Apr 16 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Through what you write in here, the style you write and the people you chose to regularly disagree with. I tend to avoid political debates on here Matt. I did not think I was making a political point by speaking as I find and stating that where I have accidentally overshot my station the people I have dealt with thereafter have been quite delightful. Perhaps you have a political view that railway workers are always militant jobsworths and as such see my comments as political? As to your second point, some people are of course just naturally easy to disagree with.
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| matt_himself Matataland 27 Apr 16 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I tend to avoid political debates on here Matt. I did not think I was making a political point by speaking as I find and stating that where I have accidentally overshot my station the people I have dealt with thereafter have been quite delightful. Perhaps you have a political view that railway workers are always militant jobsworths and as such see my comments as political? As to your second point, some people are of course just naturally easy to disagree with. And there is no subtext in your last paragraph, is there?
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Apr 16 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
And there is no subtext in your last paragraph, is there? No, there is no sub text. I assert that you have a political reason for misinterpreting my comments. I don't see how I can be any clearer.
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| Mapletree Croydon 27 Apr 16 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No, there is no sub text. I assert that you have a political reason for misinterpreting my comments. I don't see how I can be any clearer. Ah sorry, misread which paragraph you refer to. Again, no sub-text. Some people on this site enjoy a battle and on occasion I am happy to oblige. Were I you I would not infer from that a specific political direction, merely that I hold strong views and will challenge others of a similar nature where I don't agree with them.
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| 7mins In the bush 04 May 16 4.10pm |
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Finally managed to speak with a manager at Southern. The management know they won't be able to win next franchise, and have had to change their long term plans in to short(er) term plans. They are desperate for a financial return asap. Management agree it's safer to have 2 staff on a 12 car train, but don't think it's inherently unsafe to just have 1.
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| 7mins In the bush 04 May 16 4.28pm |
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There is also a lot of bad will from the guards because the company told a little white lie... a few months ago management started being trained as guards, guards asked why, and were told that there were no changes coming it was just to cover summer leave/sickness. The only way the guards will win this, is if drivers get on board and decide to strike... most drivers are unhappy with the changes, but management are hoping they aren't pissed off enough and/or got the stomach for a long drawn out fight.
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| 7mins In the bush 04 May 16 4.36pm |
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Also long term plan is, if they change guards in to On Boards Supervisors (OBS) they intend to whittle down their numbers year on year, as they aren't operationally required to run a service. As it stands you need 1 guard and 1 driver on a non DOO route, once they get rid of that requirement the plan is to half the workforce over coming years. As someone who worked in the industry for a good few years.. I find it disgusting that the company lied about their intentions (although they have done similar when I was there). Also the whole profits over safety thing leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Gotta feel for commuters, this gonna run and run.
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| matt_himself Matataland 04 May 16 4.43pm |
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Originally posted by 7mins
Also long term plan is, if they change guards in to On Boards Supervisors (OBS) they intend to whittle down their numbers year on year, as they aren't operationally required to run a service. As it stands you need 1 guard and 1 driver on a non DOO route, once they get rid of that requirement the plan is to half the workforce over coming years. As someone who worked in the industry for a good few years.. I find it disgusting that the company lied about their intentions (although they have done similar when I was there). Also the whole profits over safety thing leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Gotta feel for commuters, this gonna run and run. Did I not say that this was all about cost cutting, before you got menstrual with me and said that 'I didn't know what I was talking about'? I have sympathy with the guards BTW, as said previously. If they want to really get commuters on their side, would suggest that spell out the function they do, not just bland statements about 'safety' but really explain the issue properly, without emotion. As I said previously, I then think that the majority of commuters will be on their side.
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