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Hoof Hearted 09 Jan 16 12.38pm

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Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.47am

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What a car crash of a thread....

The usual suspects on here rubbishing reports of women being molested, pickpocketed, groped and raped by a large group of Muslim men and playing it down.

It turns out that a huge cover up (obviously initiated by Merkel) meant that the Police and State Broadcaster were prevented from letting the world know what had really gone on.

Now Merkel admits that it did happen and the perpetrators were largely Middle Eastern and North African including a large number of Asylum Seekers.

Despite this... we have Nick still trying to justify his stance when others like Kermit have rightly kept their head down as they learned the real truth.


My stance isn't that nothing happened, it clearly did. What I have objected to is the use of term 'mass rapes' which is clearly not the case.

No big fuss on here about this... [Link]


Sexual assaults and even rape happen every year at big events like Oktoberfest. "The way to the toilet alone is like running the gauntlet: within 50 feet, you can be sure to tally three hugs from drunken strangers, two pats on the ass, someone looking up your dirndl and some beer purposely splashed right down your cleavage," wrote Karoline Beisel and Beate Wild in 2011, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. An average of 10 reported rapes take place each year at Oktoberfest. The estimated number of unreported cases is 200.

Is it because the perps were probably not of 'North African etc' origin?


FFS... even Merkel admits the majority of the recent perps were not only North African but actually Asylum Seekers and announced yesterday a proposed change to German Law to make it easier to deport Migrants that flout the law.

PLease don't waste everyone's time on here by continuing to make silly remarks.

Were there or were there not 'mass rapes?


Ahhh the old Paxo stance again... you are so predictable with your debating strategies.

There appears to be one confirmed rape complaint at present, but because the Police were ordered to suppress reports of this incident it is not clear if there were others or if others will now come forward.

Rape is a very serious thing to happen and causes victims to be traumatised. Many do not come forward quickly or even at all because of the fear/shame of what has happened.

You still seem over keen to play this incident down, which must have been harrowing for all of the victims that were involved.

One wonders what your motive can be?

 

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johnfirewall Flag 09 Jan 16 12.55pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 12.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 12.16pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 12.07pm

Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.47am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.40am

What a car crash of a thread....

The usual suspects on here rubbishing reports of women being molested, pickpocketed, groped and raped by a large group of Muslim men and playing it down.

It turns out that a huge cover up (obviously initiated by Merkel) meant that the Police and State Broadcaster were prevented from letting the world know what had really gone on.

Now Merkel admits that it did happen and the perpetrators were largely Middle Eastern and North African including a large number of Asylum Seekers.

Despite this... we have Nick still trying to justify his stance when others like Kermit have rightly kept their head down as they learned the real truth.


My stance isn't that nothing happened, it clearly did. What I have objected to is the use of term 'mass rapes' which is clearly not the case.

No big fuss on here about this... [Link]


Sexual assaults and even rape happen every year at big events like Oktoberfest. "The way to the toilet alone is like running the gauntlet: within 50 feet, you can be sure to tally three hugs from drunken strangers, two pats on the ass, someone looking up your dirndl and some beer purposely splashed right down your cleavage," wrote Karoline Beisel and Beate Wild in 2011, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. An average of 10 reported rapes take place each year at Oktoberfest. The estimated number of unreported cases is 200.

Is it because the perps were probably not of 'North African etc' origin?


FFS... even Merkel admits the majority of the recent perps were not only North African but actually Asylum Seekers and announced yesterday a proposed change to German Law to make it easier to deport Migrants that flout the law.

PLease don't waste everyone's time on here by continuing to make silly remarks.

Were there or were there not 'mass rapes?


Ahhh the old Paxo stance again... you are so predictable with your debating strategies.

There appears to be one confirmed rape complaint at present, but because the Police were ordered to suppress reports of this incident it is not clear if there were others or if others will now come forward.

Rape is a very serious thing to happen and causes victims to be traumatised. Many do not come forward quickly or even at all because of the fear/shame of what has happened.

You still seem over keen to play this incident down, which must have been harrowing for all of the victims that were involved.

One wonders what your motive can be?


Justifying ones rigid stance. The same as those seeking to demonise. Both pathetic.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 11 Jan 16 3.57pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 12.16pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 12.07pm

Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.47am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.40am

What a car crash of a thread....

The usual suspects on here rubbishing reports of women being molested, pickpocketed, groped and raped by a large group of Muslim men and playing it down.

It turns out that a huge cover up (obviously initiated by Merkel) meant that the Police and State Broadcaster were prevented from letting the world know what had really gone on.

Now Merkel admits that it did happen and the perpetrators were largely Middle Eastern and North African including a large number of Asylum Seekers.

Despite this... we have Nick still trying to justify his stance when others like Kermit have rightly kept their head down as they learned the real truth.


My stance isn't that nothing happened, it clearly did. What I have objected to is the use of term 'mass rapes' which is clearly not the case.

No big fuss on here about this... [Link]


Sexual assaults and even rape happen every year at big events like Oktoberfest. "The way to the toilet alone is like running the gauntlet: within 50 feet, you can be sure to tally three hugs from drunken strangers, two pats on the ass, someone looking up your dirndl and some beer purposely splashed right down your cleavage," wrote Karoline Beisel and Beate Wild in 2011, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. An average of 10 reported rapes take place each year at Oktoberfest. The estimated number of unreported cases is 200.

Is it because the perps were probably not of 'North African etc' origin?


FFS... even Merkel admits the majority of the recent perps were not only North African but actually Asylum Seekers and announced yesterday a proposed change to German Law to make it easier to deport Migrants that flout the law.

PLease don't waste everyone's time on here by continuing to make silly remarks.

Were there or were there not 'mass rapes?


Still hanging on to that one line, from one poster, to down play the events...

More than 500 criminal complaints were filed, 40% alleging sexual assault

No big deal when you compare it to Oktoberfest, from a paragraph of a random website with no substantiation behind it. That Oktoberfest goes on for 16 days makes it very comparable to a one off event too...

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jan 16 6.50pm

Quote Stuk at 11 Jan 2016 3.57pm

Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 12.16pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 12.07pm

Quote nickgusset at 09 Jan 2016 11.47am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Jan 2016 11.40am

What a car crash of a thread....

The usual suspects on here rubbishing reports of women being molested, pickpocketed, groped and raped by a large group of Muslim men and playing it down.

It turns out that a huge cover up (obviously initiated by Merkel) meant that the Police and State Broadcaster were prevented from letting the world know what had really gone on.

Now Merkel admits that it did happen and the perpetrators were largely Middle Eastern and North African including a large number of Asylum Seekers.

Despite this... we have Nick still trying to justify his stance when others like Kermit have rightly kept their head down as they learned the real truth.


My stance isn't that nothing happened, it clearly did. What I have objected to is the use of term 'mass rapes' which is clearly not the case.

No big fuss on here about this... [Link]


Sexual assaults and even rape happen every year at big events like Oktoberfest. "The way to the toilet alone is like running the gauntlet: within 50 feet, you can be sure to tally three hugs from drunken strangers, two pats on the ass, someone looking up your dirndl and some beer purposely splashed right down your cleavage," wrote Karoline Beisel and Beate Wild in 2011, in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. An average of 10 reported rapes take place each year at Oktoberfest. The estimated number of unreported cases is 200.

Is it because the perps were probably not of 'North African etc' origin?


FFS... even Merkel admits the majority of the recent perps were not only North African but actually Asylum Seekers and announced yesterday a proposed change to German Law to make it easier to deport Migrants that flout the law.

PLease don't waste everyone's time on here by continuing to make silly remarks.

Were there or were there not 'mass rapes?


Still hanging on to that one line, from one poster, to down play the events...

More than 500 criminal complaints were filed, 40% alleging sexual assault

No big deal when you compare it to Oktoberfest, from a paragraph of a random website with no substantiation behind it. That Oktoberfest goes on for 16 days makes it very comparable to a one off event too...

I am not playing down the events. how many f***ing times..?

 

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davenotamonkey Flag 12 Jan 16 11.13am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Quote johnfirewall at 08 Jan 2016 10.19am

Just read an article containing a quite from a spokesman on behalf of the Libyan cadets who did similar in Cambridge a couple of years ago which basically read 'Sorry they didn't know you couldn't do this sort of thing'

Despite being in a slightly right-wing paper it didn't even mention the M word. Neither should we, because it detracts from the regularity of such behaviour within certain cultures. Another such culture, reading recent reports of rising assaults at universities it seems exists among young white males with a sense of entitlement who feel they can just take what they want. Then you have 'grabbing' which is commonplace among Travellers.

Hope that adds some perspective and helps certain people come to terms with the fact that there can be a common driving factor even if it is unpalatable to accept that the offenders's behaviour is connected to their class, race or religion.

Of course this is anecdotal because there are no supporting statistics. I'd imagine 'grabbing' which is clearly a sexual assault, is never reported as one within a traveller site, so misleadingly the figure for convictions for people of that background could well be 0%.

Whether it's sexual offences, homophobic assaults or FGM, 'Christians also do it' isn't a defence and although we're all complicit in politicising crimes, it's really unhelpful but we can't ignore the who and why.

Edited by johnfirewall (08 Jan 2016 10.43am)

Except, of course, the campus rape-statistics are a complete fabrication. To the extent they actually made up fake rape stories to publish articles on it, eg:

[Link]

[Link]

If only the mouth-foaming neo-feminists spent the same energy on outrage at ACTUAL sexual assault cases that now number beyond 500 from Cologne alone. But then the perpetrators aren't white straight males. I wonder if the cognitive dissonance whiplash actually hurts?

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 12 Jan 16 4.58pm

What ever immigrants do the swivel eye population can do it better.

After all they are the superior something or other.

[Link]

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Quote davenotamonkey at 12 Jan 2016 11.13am

Quote johnfirewall at 08 Jan 2016 10.19am

Just read an article containing a quite from a spokesman on behalf of the Libyan cadets who did similar in Cambridge a couple of years ago which basically read 'Sorry they didn't know you couldn't do this sort of thing'

Despite being in a slightly right-wing paper it didn't even mention the M word. Neither should we, because it detracts from the regularity of such behaviour within certain cultures. Another such culture, reading recent reports of rising assaults at universities it seems exists among young white males with a sense of entitlement who feel they can just take what they want. Then you have 'grabbing' which is commonplace among Travellers.

Hope that adds some perspective and helps certain people come to terms with the fact that there can be a common driving factor even if it is unpalatable to accept that the offenders's behaviour is connected to their class, race or religion.

Of course this is anecdotal because there are no supporting statistics. I'd imagine 'grabbing' which is clearly a sexual assault, is never reported as one within a traveller site, so misleadingly the figure for convictions for people of that background could well be 0%.

Whether it's sexual offences, homophobic assaults or FGM, 'Christians also do it' isn't a defence and although we're all complicit in politicising crimes, it's really unhelpful but we can't ignore the who and why.

Edited by johnfirewall (08 Jan 2016 10.43am)

Except, of course, the campus rape-statistics are a complete fabrication. To the extent they actually made up fake rape stories to publish articles on it, eg:

[Link]

[Link]

If only the mouth-foaming neo-feminists spent the same energy on outrage at ACTUAL sexual assault cases that now number beyond 500 from Cologne alone. But then the perpetrators aren't white straight males. I wonder if the cognitive dissonance whiplash actually hurts?

I was referring to British cases, although the latest at Durham had also been falsified apparently by the 'victim' who felt guilty about cheating on her boyfriend.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 12 Jan 16 5.14pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Quote pefwin at 12 Jan 2016 4.58pm

What ever immigrants do the swivel eye population can do it better.

After all they are the superior something or other.

[Link]

The difference being that I'll doubt you'll have anyone saying "they weren't Germans" or play it down as a bit of fun.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 12 Jan 16 5.23pm

Quote Stuk at 12 Jan 2016 5.14pm

Quote pefwin at 12 Jan 2016 4.58pm

What ever immigrants do the swivel eye population can do it better.

After all they are the superior something or other.

[Link]

The difference being that I'll doubt you'll have anyone saying "they weren't Germans" or play it down as a bit of fun.

Surely that Merkel plackard on the right side of the photo is " a bit of fun"? As for "they weren't Germans" that's the point isn't it?

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stuk Flag Top half 12 Jan 16 7.10pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Quote pefwin at 12 Jan 2016 5.23pm

Quote Stuk at 12 Jan 2016 5.14pm

Quote pefwin at 12 Jan 2016 4.58pm

What ever immigrants do the swivel eye population can do it better.

After all they are the superior something or other.

[Link]

The difference being that I'll doubt you'll have anyone saying "they weren't Germans" or play it down as a bit of fun.

Surely that Merkel plackard on the right side of the photo is " a bit of fun"? As for "they weren't Germans" that's the point isn't it?


Is that one of the placards the article says was being waved by masked individuals, that seem to be clearly unmasked in the accompanying photos?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jan 16 12.29am

Quote pefwin at 12 Jan 2016 4.58pm

What ever immigrants do the swivel eye population can do it better.

After all they are the superior something or other.

[Link]

Facking army types
[Link]

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Jan 16 12.29am

Quote Stuk at 12 Jan 2016 5.14pm

Quote pefwin at 12 Jan 2016 4.58pm

What ever immigrants do the swivel eye population can do it better.

After all they are the superior something or other.

[Link]

The difference being that I'll doubt you'll have anyone saying "they weren't Germans" or play it down as a bit of fun.


Who has played it down as a bit of fun?

 

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