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oldcodger 01 Nov 15 2.53pm | |
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I agree with some here at the idea of trying to balance the Emigration - Immigration numbers to ensure a levelling off of the population. To me that's a fair solution which wouldn't involve closing the door entirely. While it may be better for business to have more cheap labour, I don't see benefits for those already living here to have an endlessly climbing population.
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Hrolf The Ganger 01 Nov 15 4.52pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 01 Nov 2015 2.13pm
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Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2015 6.35pm
When are people going to realise immigration doesn't cause a strain on service, governmental policy does, if you starve services of funds and fail to invest in infrastructure an increase in population will obviously be a problem. The biggest migrant issue is that of foreign corporations who happily dance through countries, taking their cut and moving on, leaving the rest of the population poor and divided.
You actually believe that. Don't tell me, it's the Tories fault right ? So we should just keep increasing the population, keep building things and increasing services forever ? Brilliant.
But obviously immigration puts a strain on an already struggling infrastructure. The simple answer is to restrict migrants. Letting it continue at current rates will only make things worse. We all want better hospitals and schools but they have to be paid for and not with borrowed money.
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Jonsey wherever I lay my toolbox thats my... 01 Nov 15 5.38pm | |
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One of the may reasons I'm heading to Australia, this country isn't about to go down the toilet, it's already been flushed and the water is slowly drowning it.
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oldcodger 01 Nov 15 7.59pm | |
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Quote Jonsey at 01 Nov 2015 5.38pm
One of the may reasons I'm heading to Australia, this country isn't about to go down the toilet, it's already been flushed and the water is slowly drowning it.
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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 02 Nov 15 9.47am | |
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More and more people living in the UK = more sales, cheaper labour, perpetuation of the buy to let spiral underpinning the already wealthy. Vast swaths of taxpayer money being continue to be diverted into big business (all that infrastructure WILL get built albeit piecemeal and with cockeyed priorities - High Speed 3 anyone?). Does anyone really think that our government and the opinion controllers supporting it give a toss about "quality of life" for the citizenry when they and their ilk will continue to do very nicely, thank you, on the back of it? Corbyn has many faults, but one thing has hasn't done (perhaps yet) is shown himself to be anywhere near as morally bankrupt and venal as the governing Tories. Note the word "governing" - I'm sure there are Tories who are appalled at the direction the country is being taken in by Cameron, Osborne and their cheerleaders.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Nov 15 2.21pm | |
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Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 02 Nov 15 2.23pm | |
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Quote Jonsey at 01 Nov 2015 5.38pm
One of the may reasons I'm heading to Australia, this country isn't about to go down the toilet, it's already been flushed and the water is slowly drowning it. So the solution is to become an immigrant to a country, which has a terrible history with immigration, serious problems with racism, and was arguably ruined by immigration (if you were to ask the native and indigenous people). The UK might have an immigration problem, but those immigrants haven't actively spent most of their history in trying to exterminate and marginalise the British people.
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Stuk Top half 02 Nov 15 2.43pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm
Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later.
Immigrants who pay tax and NI might cover their own running costs as such, but they have contributed nowt to the initial/existing costs of everything. Even if 75% of all immigrants are adults, and 90% of those get jobs contributing tax and NI that leaves a third who are contributing nothing and simply drawing from the system. This is before you factor in the cost of any benefit they may receive before becoming a contributor.
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Goal Machine The Cronx 02 Nov 15 10.32pm | |
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Quote leifandersonshair at 30 Oct 2015 6.12pm
Immigration is not the main problem. It is a contributory factor, true, but the main problem is an aging population. UK population may rise to 74 million by 2039- by 2030 average UK life expectancy will be over 85 for men, and over 87 for women. THIS is a much bigger problem. Essentially, a much larger number of people will be drawing state pensions and using the NHS more frequently for a much longer period. Not sure where the answer to this lies, barring some sort of Logan's Run style carousel for the over 75's...
A basic grasp of economics and population percentage tells you that.
State pension will gradually be phased out over the next 40/50 years, hence the introduction of auto-enrolment pensions (compulsory for both the employer and employee to contribute to a pension). The government recognise that the ageing population is becoming too much of a burden on the state and this will help combat the issue.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Nov 15 9.53am | |
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Quote Stuk at 02 Nov 2015 2.43pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm
Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later.
Immigrants who pay tax and NI might cover their own running costs as such, but they have contributed nowt to the initial/existing costs of everything. Even if 75% of all immigrants are adults, and 90% of those get jobs contributing tax and NI that leaves a third who are contributing nothing and simply drawing from the system. This is before you factor in the cost of any benefit they may receive before becoming a contributor. Indeed, but the issue I was getting at is that austerity cuts and cuts in corporation tax have reduced revenue, and that the government has increased pressure on the public systems and infrastructure, and not increased spending to account for that (in fact for most areas its the same or less (when you account for inflation). Which has far more of an impact than just the increase in numbers. Blame the symptom, not the problem tends to be how the last three governments have turned the UK into a corporate state, rather than a democratic one (and Corbyn is himself a symptom of that, just as the rise of the Far Right has been).
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Hoof Hearted 03 Nov 15 10.00am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm
Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later.
The real harm of immigration is the effect it has on the infrastructure which only gets worse with each and every influx. If we are struggling to cope now with these levels, imagine the UK with 10 million more inhabitants!
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 03 Nov 15 10.15am | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm
Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later.
More 'net' people puts strain on public services and housing + a government that is swinging a huge axe at those services year on year + huge corporates keeping a very low wage structure, zero hours contracts and poor working T&C'S that only new immigrants can take = f*cked Edited by The Sash (03 Nov 2015 10.16am)
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