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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Oct 15 4.17pm

Quote Stuk at 26 Oct 2015 2.15pm
They aren't dreaming of them, they're just getting on with it.

Head teachers are extremely well paid, pretty sure they'd be mortgage free and able to retire early.

37,500 is the average salary for a Head Teacher. That's typically someone with a degree, possibly a post-graduate training (above primary) with likely 10 years experience in the job.

The equivalent role of a Head teacher, say Senior Project Manager or Product Manager pays a lot more than 37500. In fact you can find PM roles with a year or two experience that pay 40k a year, and no degree necessary.

I wouldn't say its very well paid at all, considering that you can get work in IT as trainer with a teaching background that pays 35-40k


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Oct 2015 4.17pm

Quote Stuk at 26 Oct 2015 2.15pm
They aren't dreaming of them, they're just getting on with it.

Head teachers are extremely well paid, pretty sure they'd be mortgage free and able to retire early.

37,500 is the average salary for a Head Teacher. That's typically someone with a degree, possibly a post-graduate training (above primary) with likely 10 years experience in the job.

The equivalent role of a Head teacher, say Senior Project Manager or Product Manager pays a lot more than 37500. In fact you can find PM roles with a year or two experience that pay 40k a year, and no degree necessary.

I wouldn't say its very well paid at all, considering that you can get work in IT as trainer with a teaching background that pays 35-40k


Nonsense. That was the average salary for a teacher, 3 years ago.

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The average head teacher salary was over £55K then, and plenty more are earning into 6 figures and above.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Oct 15 4.54pm

Quote Stuk at 26 Oct 2015 4.42pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Oct 2015 4.17pm

Quote Stuk at 26 Oct 2015 2.15pm
They aren't dreaming of them, they're just getting on with it.

Head teachers are extremely well paid, pretty sure they'd be mortgage free and able to retire early.

37,500 is the average salary for a Head Teacher. That's typically someone with a degree, possibly a post-graduate training (above primary) with likely 10 years experience in the job.

The equivalent role of a Head teacher, say Senior Project Manager or Product Manager pays a lot more than 37500. In fact you can find PM roles with a year or two experience that pay 40k a year, and no degree necessary.

I wouldn't say its very well paid at all, considering that you can get work in IT as trainer with a teaching background that pays 35-40k


Nonsense. That was the average salary for a teacher, 3 years ago.

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The average head teacher salary was over £55K then, and plenty more are earning into 6 figures and above.

Ok, at 55k its not that badly paid by comparison to private counter parts. I think the term is some are earning into 6 figures, which is also on a par with private industry.

How many teachers get to be head teachers on 55k after five years? not many I'd hazard. My uni friend took eight years, and he was 'young for a head teacher'

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Oct 2015 4.54pm

Quote Stuk at 26 Oct 2015 4.42pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 Oct 2015 4.17pm

Quote Stuk at 26 Oct 2015 2.15pm
They aren't dreaming of them, they're just getting on with it.

Head teachers are extremely well paid, pretty sure they'd be mortgage free and able to retire early.

37,500 is the average salary for a Head Teacher. That's typically someone with a degree, possibly a post-graduate training (above primary) with likely 10 years experience in the job.

The equivalent role of a Head teacher, say Senior Project Manager or Product Manager pays a lot more than 37500. In fact you can find PM roles with a year or two experience that pay 40k a year, and no degree necessary.

I wouldn't say its very well paid at all, considering that you can get work in IT as trainer with a teaching background that pays 35-40k


Nonsense. That was the average salary for a teacher, 3 years ago.

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The average head teacher salary was over £55K then, and plenty more are earning into 6 figures and above.

Ok, at 55k its not that badly paid by comparison to private counter parts. I think the term is some are earning into 6 figures, which is also on a par with private industry.

How many teachers get to be head teachers on 55k after five years? not many I'd hazard. My uni friend took eight years, and he was 'young for a head teacher'


What's that got to do with the price of eggs? No one else has mentioned any sort of time limit to those sort of earnings.

The £55K average is also brought down by including assistant and deputy head teachers. If it were just head teachers it'd be an even higher average salary.

I'd say 1,000+ of them earning over 6 figures is "plenty" rather than just "some".

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Jan 16 5.43pm

I'm out.
I've had enough.
I don't intend to go back.
The state of the profession now is untenable.

Now looking for something else.

I wouldn't wish the job on anybody.

So please, no more 'shouldn't you be marking' jibes.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 9.50am

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Nail on head with this article

 

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Quote nickgusset at 15 Jan 2016 5.43pm

I'm out.
I've had enough.
I don't intend to go back.
The state of the profession now is untenable.

Now looking for something else.

I wouldn't wish the job on anybody.

So please, no more 'shouldn't you be marking' jibes.

My wife is a retired senior school teacher - she was in the classroom for 35 years.

My daughter left the profession after 2 years but is now working in an educational role away from the classroom.She tells me she is missing teaching her subject and would like to return on a part-time basis, spending the rest of her time tutoring.

As you can imagine I have heard a lot about "Teaching" over the years !!!!


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 10.06am

Quote Willo at 16 Jan 2016 9.59am

Quote nickgusset at 15 Jan 2016 5.43pm

I'm out.
I've had enough.
I don't intend to go back.
The state of the profession now is untenable.

Now looking for something else.

I wouldn't wish the job on anybody.

So please, no more 'shouldn't you be marking' jibes.

My wife is a retired senior school teacher - she was in the classroom for 35 years.

My daughter left the profession after 2 years but is now working in an educational role away from the classroom.She tells me she is missing teaching her subject and would like to return on a part-time basis, spending the rest of her time tutoring.

As you can imagine I have heard a lot about "Teaching" over the years !!!!



2 or 3 years is about average for how long nqt's last before they burn out. A shame considering the cost of training.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jan 16 10.16am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.06am

Quote Willo at 16 Jan 2016 9.59am

Quote nickgusset at 15 Jan 2016 5.43pm

I'm out.
I've had enough.
I don't intend to go back.
The state of the profession now is untenable.

Now looking for something else.

I wouldn't wish the job on anybody.

So please, no more 'shouldn't you be marking' jibes.

My wife is a retired senior school teacher - she was in the classroom for 35 years.

My daughter left the profession after 2 years but is now working in an educational role away from the classroom.She tells me she is missing teaching her subject and would like to return on a part-time basis, spending the rest of her time tutoring.

As you can imagine I have heard a lot about "Teaching" over the years !!!!



2 or 3 years is about average for how long nqt's last before they burn out. A shame considering the cost of training.

My daughter did her degree, then her PGCE and I think went past the NQT stage.She told me that at times it was more like crowd control than teaching with some of the reprobates she had to deal with !
And yes I have heard about the "Drop-Ins", the assessments etc etc !!!!

And I have seen at first-hand how much time they spend at home marking, report writing, preparing lessons etc.
People go on about the long holidays - teachers need them.

Finally, teachers can only go on holiday when the schools break up and when they do the prices rocket ! No good deals around at this time !


 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 16 Jan 16 10.20am

Quote Willo at 16 Jan 2016 10.16am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.06am

Quote Willo at 16 Jan 2016 9.59am

Quote nickgusset at 15 Jan 2016 5.43pm

I'm out.
I've had enough.
I don't intend to go back.
The state of the profession now is untenable.

Now looking for something else.

I wouldn't wish the job on anybody.

So please, no more 'shouldn't you be marking' jibes.

My wife is a retired senior school teacher - she was in the classroom for 35 years.

My daughter left the profession after 2 years but is now working in an educational role away from the classroom.She tells me she is missing teaching her subject and would like to return on a part-time basis, spending the rest of her time tutoring.

As you can imagine I have heard a lot about "Teaching" over the years !!!!



2 or 3 years is about average for how long nqt's last before they burn out. A shame considering the cost of training.

My daughter did her degree, then her PGCE and I think went past the NQT stage.She told me that at times it was more like crowd control than teaching with some of the reprobates she had to deal with !
And yes I have heard about the "Drop-Ins", the assessments etc etc !!!!

And I have seen at first-hand how much time they spend at home marking, report writing, preparing lessons etc.
People go on about the long holidays - teachers need them.

Finally, teachers can only go on holiday when the schools break up and when they do the prices rocket ! No good deals around at this time !



Which is why I've said enough's enough.
Seriously, when I made the decision to get out, it was like a monkey had been lifted from my back!

It's a shame really because it can be very rewarding.

Edited by nickgusset (16 Jan 2016 10.21am)

 

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Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.20am

Quote Willo at 16 Jan 2016 10.16am

Quote nickgusset at 16 Jan 2016 10.06am

Quote Willo at 16 Jan 2016 9.59am

Quote nickgusset at 15 Jan 2016 5.43pm

I'm out.
I've had enough.
I don't intend to go back.
The state of the profession now is untenable.

Now looking for something else.

I wouldn't wish the job on anybody.

So please, no more 'shouldn't you be marking' jibes.

My wife is a retired senior school teacher - she was in the classroom for 35 years.

My daughter left the profession after 2 years but is now working in an educational role away from the classroom.She tells me she is missing teaching her subject and would like to return on a part-time basis, spending the rest of her time tutoring.

As you can imagine I have heard a lot about "Teaching" over the years !!!!



2 or 3 years is about average for how long nqt's last before they burn out. A shame considering the cost of training.

My daughter did her degree, then her PGCE and I think went past the NQT stage.She told me that at times it was more like crowd control than teaching with some of the reprobates she had to deal with !
And yes I have heard about the "Drop-Ins", the assessments etc etc !!!!

And I have seen at first-hand how much time they spend at home marking, report writing, preparing lessons etc.
People go on about the long holidays - teachers need them.

Finally, teachers can only go on holiday when the schools break up and when they do the prices rocket ! No good deals around at this time !



Which is why I've said enough's enough.
Seriously, when I made the decision to get out, it was like a monkey had been lifted from my back!

It's a shame really because it can be very rewarding.

Edited by nickgusset (16 Jan 2016 10.21am)

In general, people outside the profession have NO idea of the pressures that teachers are under. All they see is teachers end of day at 16.00 (Or earlier) and that they get long holidays.
My wife has had "Full and frank" discussions with people who are ignorant of the reality.


 

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Hoof Hearted 16 Jan 16 10.56am

Quote nickgusset at 15 Jan 2016 5.43pm

I'm out.
I've had enough.
I don't intend to go back.
The state of the profession now is untenable.

Now looking for something else.

I wouldn't wish the job on anybody.

So please, no more 'shouldn't you be marking' jibes.


A teaching flounce!

Good luck finding a job in the private sector with similar pay, holidays and pension benefits!

 

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