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jamiemartin721  Reading 24 Sep 15 9.16am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Sep 2015 7.29pm
A young single Syria man. 1) Flee to Europe to gain a home, left wing sympathy....'oh you brave hero'.....and eventually receive a job in a country you regard as your meal ticket. (in the meantime disadvantaging working class British or other Europeans, whose allegiance is to their own country....A job and home should be the birth right of British citizens/subjects in front of foreigners. Second option: Stand and fight for your country. Stand and fight against IS......And receive.....Absolutely nothing. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2015 7.33pm) So which side would you choose? I think the only real option probably are the Kurdish forces in terms of any stability, who aren't really on the offensive, so their actually fighting for their own country. The 'Free Syrian Army' which is a collection of factions including Shia fundamentalists and Islamists is going to lose. Its surrounded, facing superior forces on all sides. You could take 250,000 people and throw them into the Free Syrian army, and it'd make no difference. They don't have the arms to equip them or train them. A reason for the spike in refugees this year has been the advances of the IS forces and the Syrian loyalists, with the 'Free Syrian' forces have been losing territory in the north and south, along with Assad forces, which has prompted people to flee. Some of these people may well have fought in areas that have now been overrun.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Sep 15 9.22am |
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This is about real life, not your preferences on dating websites. Just a joke. Half of the entire country has left over the past few years. Are you suggesting that they are all simply 'cowards' or could it be that the situation is actually a bit more complex than you imagine it to be while lounging on a sofa? You create a version of these people, where they are either only out for all they can get while practically laughing at the country that takes them in, or 'standing and fighting against IS' as if it's as simple as that. Hopefully you'll end up with some of these men living next door to you.
You haven't quite got the pulse on my views. A percentage of these young Syrian men are cowards yes.......I accept Jamie's point that in some instances practical reasons would mean that anything other than escaping wouldn't be realistic. But for the majority of them......They are taking the easy way out compared to standing and fighting for their country. I don't want those types here personally. Like I say.....Flee and the left want to give you a western lifestyle and the same rights and privileges as my son who was born British a year ago. My son won't grow up with a 'mixed' allegiance....No head nods to foreign countries. Stand and fight and the left and indeed most people......Give you nothing. I sent aid to Kobane and I'm proud of them. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.07am) Don't mistake fighting for something, with dying for nothing. The militias of Kobane were armed, equipped as well supported by the Kurdish region of Iraq, as well as groups like the PPK etc who have been fighting a guerilla war against Turkey for a decade. They also have borders across which to receive logistical support and supplies (as do IS and the Syrian loyalists) as well as capital. The factions of the Free Syrian forces don't have much in the way of supplies, logistical support lines, no borders, and their equipment is limited to what they can smuggle in, liberate or acquire.
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Fight when there is hope. Flee when there isn't. Mother Nature innit. I remember the Kurds fleeing when they were up against overwhelming odds when Saddam's army/Republican Guard moved North East toward Them. They didn't have a hope. But then the West/US imposed a no-fly zone to protect them. Sorted.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 24 Sep 15 9.39am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Sep 2015 9.32am
Fight when there is hope. Flee when there isn't. Mother Nature innit. I remember the Kurds fleeing when they were up against overwhelming odds when Saddam's army/Republican Guard moved North East toward Them. They didn't have a hope. But then the West/US imposed a no-fly zone to protect them. Sorted.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 24 Sep 15 9.45am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Sep 2015 9.32am
Fight when there is hope. Flee when there isn't. Mother Nature innit. I remember the Kurds fleeing when they were up against overwhelming odds when Saddam's army/Republican Guard moved North East toward Them. They didn't have a hope. But then the West/US imposed a no-fly zone to protect them. Sorted.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 24 Sep 15 9.50am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Sep 2015 9.32am
Fight when there is hope. Flee when there isn't. Mother Nature innit. I remember the Kurds fleeing when they were up against overwhelming odds when Saddam's army/Republican Guard moved North East toward Them. They didn't have a hope. But then the West/US imposed a no-fly zone to protect them. Sorted.
You implied with your Sorted comment that a no fly zone "sorted" the problem. I am Pointing out, it did not as well you know.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 24 Sep 15 9.54am |
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Quote dannyh at 24 Sep 2015 9.50am
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Sep 2015 9.32am
Fight when there is hope. Flee when there isn't. Mother Nature innit. I remember the Kurds fleeing when they were up against overwhelming odds when Saddam's army/Republican Guard moved North East toward Them. They didn't have a hope. But then the West/US imposed a no-fly zone to protect them. Sorted.
You implied with your Sorted comment that a no fly zone "sorted" the problem. I am Pointing out, it did not as well you know.
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Quote Kermit8 at 23 Sep 2015 7.38pm
There is no country to fight for. Syria as it was is deaded. They would be fighting and dying for things they don't believe in. That's pure nonsense. A country is made up of the people within it who are willing to fight for it. If you added together the modern British left actually prepared to fight for something you wouldn't have a number big enough to take your local park. Always prepared to hide behind those who actually fight for things.....happy to take the benefits.
You perception of a very complicated situation is ridiculously simplistic. btw they did rise up four years ago. They took on the police and army state. incredibly brave. Something i can't see the modern Right ever having the balls to do if our establishment needed correction. Nah, that would be left to those of a revolting nature. I said modern British left......read the post Kermy. So the Kurds are extreme are they? They have different fractions which includes Alawites fighting for them. The Free Syria Army also are composed of many different fractions. People like to concentrate on the more radical elements but there are also moderate groups within them. Young Syrian men could and should join either. Rather than me being simplistic you simply don't know enough. I've followed this conflict quite closely actually and researched quite a bit. Also, by the way, you characterizing the uprising against Assad as 'left' is ridiculous. It wasn't left or right or anything else....It was composed of all political components, moderates and extremists......Both of which fight Assad now. Incredly simplistic of you Kermy. Like I said.....Flee and the left want to give you a home and a job and a western lifestyle. Stand and fight and the left offer you nothing. Says it all really.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Sep 2015 7.05am
In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones. If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)
They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses. How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK? I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Sep 15 10.38am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Sep 2015 10.08am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Sep 2015 7.05am
In fact I don't want an extra large body of religious people making a life here if I'm honest. That goes for any religion. I'd prefer this country to increase its secular majority not look to increase it.....Religious families breed more than secular ones. If I were taking from the camps you'd be getting secularists first and 'cultural' Muslims rather than the Islamic versions of Holy Joes. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Sep 2015 7.10am)
They will not "integrate" with our society, but attach themselves to muslim communities already here causing more racial tension as they apply for more and more Mosques to be built and Halal style slaughter houses. How many terrorists are hiding amongst these refugees waiting their chance to gain entry to the UK? I'd rather we carried on with Cameron's plan. Give more financial aid to the established camps around Syria and then tighten our border controls across Europe before coming up with a UN approved plan to defeat IS and any other threat to modern day peace, so that these people can return to their own homes. They don't really want to come to Europe either, as displayed by the fact that there weren't many Syrian refugees or asylum applicants prior to the Civil War. In my experience Muslims don't seem to be that much trouble in the UK. You can't focus on a minority, and then view them out of comparison. Lot of Muslims in Reading and Slough and I've worked with quite a few. None of them seemed to be anything other than good natured british citizens - who also seemed to hate the frothing nutbars.
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Quote nickgusset at 24 Sep 2015 6.58am
Are they proper, improper or mixed fractions?
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Sep 2015 9.58am
Quote nickgusset at 24 Sep 2015 6.58am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Sep 2015 6.56am
Quote Kermit8 at 23 Sep 2015 9.03pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 23 Sep 2015 7.42pm
Quote Kermit8 at 23 Sep 2015 7.38pm
There is no country to fight for. Syria as it was is deaded. They would be fighting and dying for things they don't believe in. That's pure nonsense. A country is made up of the people within it who are willing to fight for it. If you added together the modern British left actually prepared to fight for something you wouldn't have a number big enough to take your local park. Always prepared to hide behind those who actually fight for things.....happy to take the benefits.
You perception of a very complicated situation is ridiculously simplistic. btw they did rise up four years ago. They took on the police and army state. incredibly brave. Something i can't see the modern Right ever having the balls to do if our establishment needed correction. Nah, that would be left to those of a revolting nature. I said modern British left......read the post Kermy. So the Kurds are extreme are they? They have different fractions which includes Alawites fighting for them. The Free Syria Army also are composed of many different fractions. People like to concentrate on the more radical elements but there are also moderate groups within them. Young Syrian men could and should join either. Rather than me being simplistic you simply don't know enough. I've followed this conflict quite closely actually and researched quite a bit. Also, by the way, you characterizing the uprising against Assad as 'left' is ridiculous. It wasn't left or right or anything else....It was composed of all political components, moderates and extremists......Both of which fight Assad now. Incredly simplistic of you Kermy. Like I said.....Flee and the left want to give you a home and a job and a western lifestyle. Stand and fight and the left offer you nothing. Says it all really.
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