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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Aug 15 3.18pm
Also, how much in welfare is a migrant going to be getting, isn't the top end 25k now (less than 1% of benefits claim's were 25k or more). Given that requires a full raft of benefits including a wife/husband and several kids, once you take housing benefit out of the equation. We should offer a deal. Anyone who does 10 years in the military or civil work is automatically granted citizenship for them, their partner and their children. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Also, how much in welfare is a migrant going to be getting, isn't the top end 25k now (less than 1% of benefits claim's were 25k or more). Given that requires a full raft of benefits including a wife/husband and several kids, once you take housing benefit out of the equation.

We should offer a deal. Anyone who does 10 years in the military or civil work is automatically granted citizenship for them, their partner and their children.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 11 Aug 15 3.58pm
I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 11 Aug 15 3.58pm

I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system.
Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here.

Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help.

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ghosteagle 11 Aug 15 4.06pm
Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'? The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here. It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country. Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm)
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Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help.

Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'?
The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here.

It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 11 Aug 15 4.13pm
Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'? The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here. It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country. Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm) No. Do you have proof that they don't come here for the money? Some statistics?
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 11 Aug 15 4.13pm

Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm

Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country.

Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm)

No. Do you have proof that they don't come here for the money? Some statistics?

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chris123 hove actually 11 Aug 15 4.16pm
Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'? The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here. It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country. Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm) I think one reason may be that we don't have identity cards and so it is easier to work in the black market.
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Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm

Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country.

Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm)

I think one reason may be that we don't have identity cards and so it is easier to work in the black market.

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npn Crowborough 11 Aug 15 4.19pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Aug 2015 3.02pm Quote Northern Panda at 11 Aug 2015 12.58pm People coming to our shores seeking asylum, I always thought came through authorized channels, direct from refugee centers situated within war zones. These people must be shown kindness, housed, given the necessities to live as decent human beings, and be given free education. They should also be repatriated when their countries are stable and require the skilled artizans to return and rebuild. The vast majority of those people in Calais are not. They are by definition economic migrants. They can afford to pay 00 plus dollars to be trafficked into Europe. If you wish to emigrate there are legitimate channels that everyone else have to use, why should it be different for those across the channel in Calais? Then again, if you've fleeing for your life from an oppressive regime it might be tricky to get all the paperwork in order like a passport etc. A lot of traffickers work on a 'repayment scheme' where in they sell you onto a group in that country, and you work off your debt as an illegal worker (or sex worker). Oppressive regimes and persicutors tend not of been too keen on issuing such people with passports etc and applying to the local embassy for a visa might bring the 'kick-murder' squads a calling. Although if you're being sold on, you are unlikely to be sitting in Calais (as once you're here under your own steam, the traffickers have effectively lost you and stand no chance of getting their money). So it would seem the Calais migrants are not trafficked in that fashion.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Aug 2015 3.02pm

Quote Northern Panda at 11 Aug 2015 12.58pm

People coming to our shores seeking asylum, I always thought came through authorized channels, direct from refugee centers situated within war zones. These people must be shown kindness, housed, given the necessities to live as decent human beings, and be given free education. They should also be repatriated when their countries are stable and require the skilled artizans to return and rebuild. The vast majority of those people in Calais are not. They are by definition economic migrants. They can afford to pay 00 plus dollars to be trafficked into Europe. If you wish to emigrate there are legitimate channels that everyone else have to use, why should it be different for those across the channel in Calais?

Then again, if you've fleeing for your life from an oppressive regime it might be tricky to get all the paperwork in order like a passport etc.

A lot of traffickers work on a 'repayment scheme' where in they sell you onto a group in that country, and you work off your debt as an illegal worker (or sex worker).

Oppressive regimes and persicutors tend not of been too keen on issuing such people with passports etc and applying to the local embassy for a visa might bring the 'kick-murder' squads a calling.

Although if you're being sold on, you are unlikely to be sitting in Calais (as once you're here under your own steam, the traffickers have effectively lost you and stand no chance of getting their money). So it would seem the Calais migrants are not trafficked in that fashion.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 11 Aug 15 4.19pm
Quote chris123 at 11 Aug 2015 4.16pm Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'? The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here. It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country. Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm) I think one reason may be that we don't have identity cards and so it is easier to work in the black market. Yep, making it harder for our own unskilled workforce to gain employment and driving wages down.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 11 Aug 15 4.19pm

Quote chris123 at 11 Aug 2015 4.16pm

Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm

Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country.

Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm)

I think one reason may be that we don't have identity cards and so it is easier to work in the black market.

Yep, making it harder for our own unskilled workforce to gain employment and driving wages down.

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ghosteagle 11 Aug 15 4.23pm
Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'? The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here. It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country. Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm) No. Do you have proof that they don't come here for the money? Some statistics? Thank you for being so honest. Now that you have admitted that your bigoted opinions are based on nothing then hopefully you can move forward, i wish you luck. Statistics: [Link] I'm sure that if you use google you can find plenty more articles and proof that the UK is not the "ridiculously generous benefits system" that you have been duped into believing in.
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Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.13pm

Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm

Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country.

Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm)

No. Do you have proof that they don't come here for the money? Some statistics?

Thank you for being so honest. Now that you have admitted that your bigoted opinions are based on nothing then hopefully you can move forward, i wish you luck.

Statistics:

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I'm sure that if you use google you can find plenty more articles and proof that the UK is not the "ridiculously generous benefits system" that you have been duped into believing in.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Aug 15 4.23pm
Previously in England refugee status immigrants used to be allowed to work legitimately. I believe that law has changed. Now they would have to work illegally. Also nearly all of their benefits and allowances have been slashed or removed completely. There used to an element of integration - now they are largely assigned to refugee centres etc. One would think that there was not necessarily a great prospect in coming to Britain. I suspect that our urban centres attract them, with the ability to be relatively anonymous amongst migrant communities and the chance of illegal work. A clampdown on any businesses employing illegal immigrants is required and a clear message that Britain is not a soft touch. If France and Britain cannot sort out a few hundred illegal immigrants causing trouble in Calais then I suggest both countries look inept and 'soft touches'. I doubt Australia would be so accepting of this behaviour. Whether or not you or I believe that these people deserve fair treatment/ a better deal is besides the point - any of these people flouting our laws or French laws need to be immediately dealt with in a proper and legal manner to send the required message that you cannot disrupt our countries for the sake of your own personal salvation. Otherwise this problem will continue, basically forever. Quite clearly the French authorities are stirring up anti-British sentiment within France for their own political means - basically becasue they cannot be bothered to deal with the problem themselves and are completely inept. That being the case perhaps we should go back to the pre-1555/6 arrangement for Calais. Edited by ASCPFC (11 Aug 2015 4.24pm) Red and Blue Army!
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Previously in England refugee status immigrants used to be allowed to work legitimately. I believe that law has changed. Now they would have to work illegally. Also nearly all of their benefits and allowances have been slashed or removed completely. There used to an element of integration - now they are largely assigned to refugee centres etc.
One would think that there was not necessarily a great prospect in coming to Britain. I suspect that our urban centres attract them, with the ability to be relatively anonymous amongst migrant communities and the chance of illegal work. A clampdown on any businesses employing illegal immigrants is required and a clear message that Britain is not a soft touch. If France and Britain cannot sort out a few hundred illegal immigrants causing trouble in Calais then I suggest both countries look inept and 'soft touches'. I doubt Australia would be so accepting of this behaviour.
Whether or not you or I believe that these people deserve fair treatment/ a better deal is besides the point - any of these people flouting our laws or French laws need to be immediately dealt with in a proper and legal manner to send the required message that you cannot disrupt our countries for the sake of your own personal salvation. Otherwise this problem will continue, basically forever.
Quite clearly the French authorities are stirring up anti-British sentiment within France for their own political means - basically becasue they cannot be bothered to deal with the problem themselves and are completely inept. That being the case perhaps we should go back to the pre-1555/6 arrangement for Calais.

Edited by ASCPFC (11 Aug 2015 4.24pm)

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ghosteagle 11 Aug 15 4.24pm
Quote chris123 at 11 Aug 2015 4.16pm Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'? The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here. It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country. Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm) I think one reason may be that we don't have identity cards and so it is easier to work in the black market. I'd agree that this is a factor in people coming to these shores.
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Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country.

Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm)

I think one reason may be that we don't have identity cards and so it is easier to work in the black market.

I'd agree that this is a factor in people coming to these shores.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Aug 15 4.28pm
Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.13pm Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'? The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here. It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country. Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm) No. Do you have proof that they don't come here for the money? Some statistics? A good starting place for Migration data is the migration observatory. They're based in Oxford University. [Link] Most migration to the UK is about money, but probably no the case in Asylum applications that are successful. Illegal working migration generally is about 'earning money back home', notably with Triad gangs and those forced into sex work (who typically are lured by prospect of employment in the UK). Most migrantion into the UK is for work, typically mid to high skill workers, working in the UK can reap the benefit of an exchange rate that works in their favour compared to the same job in their home nation. But its important to remember that migration into the UK is Legal Migration (EU and Non-EU, including working visas, students etc). Illegal Workers (Trafficked and self smuggled) Asylum Applicants. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm

It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country.

Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm)

No. Do you have proof that they don't come here for the money? Some statistics?

A good starting place for Migration data is the migration observatory. They're based in Oxford University.
[Link]

Most migration to the UK is about money, but probably no the case in Asylum applications that are successful. Illegal working migration generally is about 'earning money back home', notably with Triad gangs and those forced into sex work (who typically are lured by prospect of employment in the UK).

Most migrantion into the UK is for work, typically mid to high skill workers, working in the UK can reap the benefit of an exchange rate that works in their favour compared to the same job in their home nation.

But its important to remember that migration into the UK is

Legal Migration (EU and Non-EU, including working visas, students etc).

Illegal Workers (Trafficked and self smuggled)

Asylum Applicants.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Aug 15 4.36pm
Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.24pm Quote chris123 at 11 Aug 2015 4.16pm Quote ghosteagle at 11 Aug 2015 4.06pm Quote fed up eagle at 11 Aug 2015 3.58pm I keep hearing how the French benefits system is sooooooooo much more generous than ours. I have to say this is a new one on me, I even remember the mayor of Calais blaming the Calais migrant crisis on our ridiculously generous benefits system. Of course I believe there is something in the argument that they have family already here which would make them want to come here, but let's face it, our benefits system is ridiculously generous. I've even seen migrants interviewed on the news and when asked why they want to come here the answer was 'britain...she give me house...she give me money. We come Britain for our house and money, thanks!'. I didn't make that up, I actually heard it said on the news. Also the fact that they've travelled across umpteen borders and hundreds and thousands of miles to get here is a dead give away as to why they want to come here. Like I say, I don't blame them for wanting to benefit from such generosity but this can't be allowed to keep happening. The politicians also need to take some of the blame here. Either way this must stop now. There are plenty of countries in Europe who can take them. We're full and simply can't sustain this mass influx of people, and we must stop giving money away like this. We have people in this country who are British who need our help. Do you have numbers or statistics to back up the claim that we are 'full'? The French benefit system is more generous than here, which gives proof to the lie that migrants come here for the money. The main factors that draw people to england are the language, cultural ties and that they have family and friends here. It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country. Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm) I think one reason may be that we don't have identity cards and so it is easier to work in the black market. I'd agree that this is a factor in people coming to these shores. I'd suggest that its our very lax punishment for people who employ illegal workers. As typically these people are paid in cash, and when caught aren't on the agents or employers records for PAYE and National Insurance. These people know exactly what they're doing, and if they're rarely receive a fine in excess of 5-10k per worker. They're also the same people who employ people who are on benefits for 10-20 per shift (8-12 hours). The fine is chump change given how much they save against even paying the minimum wage. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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It should also be noted that only a miniscule percentage of refugees make their way to england and that other european countries are already taking far more in than this country.

Edited by ghosteagle (11 Aug 2015 4.08pm)

I think one reason may be that we don't have identity cards and so it is easier to work in the black market.

I'd agree that this is a factor in people coming to these shores.

I'd suggest that its our very lax punishment for people who employ illegal workers. As typically these people are paid in cash, and when caught aren't on the agents or employers records for PAYE and National Insurance.

These people know exactly what they're doing, and if they're rarely receive a fine in excess of 5-10k per worker. They're also the same people who employ people who are on benefits for 10-20 per shift (8-12 hours).

The fine is chump change given how much they save against even paying the minimum wage.

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