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elgrande bedford 26 Jul 15 2.09pm | |
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Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 1.27pm
Here's a thought: there are about 4000 migrants in Calais. There are an estimated 22000 empty properties in central london, owned by wealthy individuals around the world as investments, thus leading to total ghost towns in parts of the city centre. How about we put them up in these empty properties, demanding that people who buy property live in them, while also assisting these people in moving elsewhere, finding family, learning English and getting jobs etc.
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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 26 Jul 15 2.21pm | |
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Quote elgrande at 26 Jul 2015 2.09pm
Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 1.27pm
Here's a thought: there are about 4000 migrants in Calais. There are an estimated 22000 empty properties in central london, owned by wealthy individuals around the world as investments, thus leading to total ghost towns in parts of the city centre. How about we put them up in these empty properties, demanding that people who buy property live in them, while also assisting these people in moving elsewhere, finding family, learning English and getting jobs etc.
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johnfirewall 26 Jul 15 2.48pm | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.28pm
Quote johnny the eagle at 26 Jul 2015 1.20pm
Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 10.21am
Serial Thriller - so what are you suggesting is done then about the migrants in Calais then?
I have a question for those on the right who have no sympathy with these poor folk: how bad would things have to get in Britain for you to leave? Would you leave if war broke out? If bombings were frequent? Jeremy Corbyn became PM? House them, where exactly, I had to laugh at that one.
Classic. Sounds like you're sanctioning some sort of PoW camp for them. Thought they already had that in Calais though. Fine if our only obligation is to provide them with somewhere to live in safety. That's not enough though is it. They might need food. And somewhere a bit warmer. Then maybe education, and entertainment. And means to travel if they have to find work. Then bigger and perhaps more luxurious accommodation. It's alright though as long as there's a poor working British family to pay the tax, or would we only tax bankers for the provision? The do-gooders really have run out of ideas. I've got one, put a migrant in your spare room if it's our responsibility. No of course the obligation would only fall to someone with a bigger house than yours.
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Stirlingsays 26 Jul 15 2.59pm | |
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Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 12.45pm
That is an astounding claim Stirling, and suggests a devotion to the concept of the nation state which is almost religious. If you live in Northern Iraq, or Eastern Syria, your state - as in who claims authority over you - will almost definitely have changed at least twice in your lifetime. You will also most probably have lost a family member to one of the civil wars that have ensued in your state. What you are saying would have truly revolutionary consequences on people's lives. If you were Jewish but you were born in Nazi Germany, are you to accept the responsibility of that state in handling you and hope for no external intevention? If you were a freedman in Haiti after the Haitian revolution, do you still remain the French state's responsibility because you were born in chains in one of its colonies? Likewise, if you are a child now born in the region controlled by IS, are you saying you have absolutely no right to expect help from the outside world, even if it condemnds you to a life of rape, forced marriage, violence and seclusion? Your point on why I'm not out there helping is particularly bonkers. I don't have the money to get a flight to Syria, let alone finance an aid mission, and that's why I do what I can within the environment around me: discuss it with people, support people who I see are trying to help, and of course waste hours of my life on a football forum debating in detail what UK foreign policy should be. I think that was actually Nelson Mandela's background before going in to politics too! I do very much have a devotion to the nation state....It's by people like that which has enabled this country not to be one with its hand constantly out. Still, I think you have rather read too much into one sentence. I've written on threads several times about asylum status. A concept the right have always believed in. However I'm concerned more for my own state's poor than for any others. I believe that the state should take on a set number of asylum cases.....But in reality no nation state can realistically deal with the world's problems.
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Stirlingsays 26 Jul 15 3.01pm | |
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Quote johnfirewall at 26 Jul 2015 12.37pm
Yeah but some of them actually work and boost the economy... They only do the jobs that Brits won't, because the Brits get paid not to. Cut the bull about fleeing war and persecution as well. They've come from Calais FFS. It's not like they've got a ticket and there's an obligation to allow them to complete their journey to the UK but I'm sure the French are happy to let them. Edited by johnfirewall (26 Jul 2015 12.40pm)
Those jobs should be for British workers first.....Not British workers second as in reality is the case.
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Stirlingsays 26 Jul 15 3.03pm | |
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Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 1.03pm
You have hit the nail squarely on the head.
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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 26 Jul 15 4.24pm | |
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Stirlingsays 26 Jul 15 4.31pm | |
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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 26 Jul 2015 4.24pm
Yeah, so terrible......Most of them are loaded....That's why they buggered off to live in the Med Sun. Those that are working.....Fair enough....I'll live with that exchange.....They could still work abroad if they really wanted too....Just as talented foreigners here could still get work visas here if we needed them. Also....At what point are we meant to be concerned about Brits who pay into other countries tax systems or draw pensions or other benefits from here while not paying into the system in anyway?
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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 26 Jul 15 5.03pm | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.26pm
Not hard to see which Hol posters would have supported establishment apathy in helping to rescue fleeing Jews had they been around during 1939-45. 'We've already got 40million - we haven't got the room for Chaim and his family of eight' The Syrians, Iraqis and Eritreans are no different. To return them would mean at best hard labour or imprisonment and torture, or conscription for life probably. Though execution is just as likely. Help the most needy first. That is them. We've had it pretty good for well over half a century on the whole. No harm now in helping decent people who have had their homes, families and everything else taken away from them through no fault of their own.
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Kermit8 Hevon 26 Jul 15 5.33pm | |
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Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 5.03pm
Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.26pm
Not hard to see which Hol posters would have supported establishment apathy in helping to rescue fleeing Jews had they been around during 1939-45. 'We've already got 40million - we haven't got the room for Chaim and his family of eight' The Syrians, Iraqis and Eritreans are no different. To return them would mean at best hard labour or imprisonment and torture, or conscription for life probably. Though execution is just as likely. Help the most needy first. That is them. We've had it pretty good for well over half a century on the whole. No harm now in helping decent people who have had their homes, families and everything else taken away from them through no fault of their own.
So which would you prefer to live next door to if the house were empty and you had to choose between the two? Surely you would put the loud chavs first? They are UK nationals after all.
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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 26 Jul 15 5.41pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 11.03pm
Quote -TUX- at 25 Jul 2015 9.01pm
They've caused a traffic jam. I don't know....lets think.....You're IS.....You want to attack Europe....Mmmmm...They just won't come to you.....Mmmm...how to do it? I can't decide whether your post is just incredibly naive or that you're just looking to set world records for delusion.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Jul 15 5.48pm | |
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Quote fed up eagle at 25 Jul 2015 6.55pm
A good friend of mine is a HGV driver and regularly goes to the continent. He always has problems in the port of Calais with the chippy illegals now wielding baseball bats, knives and threatening lorry drivers. When the hell is something going to be done about this? As Angela Merkel said, they can't all come here (I'd be happy if none of them came personally). We don't, that's why they're in Calais and trying to smuggle themselves into the UK illegally, likely as not having paid part of their way here by smuggling routes, or escaping from Asylum centres in France (so on and so forth). Many are people turned away at the UK Ports, without documentation, they're returned to their port of origin. We should be strict on illegal immigration, but we also need to be stricter on those who profit from them and employ illegal workers in the UK - which is the factor that really feeds the demand. Genuine asylum cases aside.
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