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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 22 Jul 15 10.23am |
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Quote npn at 22 Jul 2015 10.20am
Quote nickgusset at 22 Jul 2015 10.14am
Latest polls show Corbyn on course to win. I'm not sure why his opponents are just saying how awful it would be if he won rather than unpicking his policies with a cogent argument.
On the one hand, it will be nice to see Labour move left to give genuine alternatives to the kind of 'conservative-lite' they've become in the search for votes from the middle ground. On the other hand, any government needs a strong opposition to keep it in check, and I suspect a Corbyn-led Labour party will fall back quite a long way before any comeback and the next election (at least) would be something of a landslide. Opposition? Like voting for loads of ideologically driven cuts?
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 DanH SW2 22 Jul 15 10.24am |
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Quote npn at 22 Jul 2015 10.20am
Quote nickgusset at 22 Jul 2015 10.14am
Latest polls show Corbyn on course to win. I'm not sure why his opponents are just saying how awful it would be if he won rather than unpicking his policies with a cogent argument.
On the one hand, it will be nice to see Labour move left to give genuine alternatives to the kind of 'conservative-lite' they've become in the search for votes from the middle ground. On the other hand, any government needs a strong opposition to keep it in check, and I suspect a Corbyn-led Labour party will fall back quite a long way before any comeback and the next election (at least) would be something of a landslide.
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| Catfish Burgess Hill 22 Jul 15 10.41am |
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If Corbyn does win I think another SDP style split will be on the cards.
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| npn Crowborough 22 Jul 15 10.44am |
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Quote nickgusset at 22 Jul 2015 10.23am
Quote npn at 22 Jul 2015 10.20am
Quote nickgusset at 22 Jul 2015 10.14am
Latest polls show Corbyn on course to win. I'm not sure why his opponents are just saying how awful it would be if he won rather than unpicking his policies with a cogent argument.
On the one hand, it will be nice to see Labour move left to give genuine alternatives to the kind of 'conservative-lite' they've become in the search for votes from the middle ground. On the other hand, any government needs a strong opposition to keep it in check, and I suspect a Corbyn-led Labour party will fall back quite a long way before any comeback and the next election (at least) would be something of a landslide. Opposition? Like voting for loads of ideologically driven cuts?
If so, then that was actually a show of what a mess they're in, in my opinion. They have been given such a bloody nose by the electorate clearly saying they're not trusted on the economy, that the leadership don't want to be seen to vote against anything geared towards deficit reduction, but it kind of leaves them in the "what are they for then?" dessert in the middle. The other side of that coin is the Sturgeon-esque "we'll vote against you on everything just to be a royal pain in the @rse even if we've already implemented the same law in Scotland" which is equally unproductive (and more than a little childish).
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| Hoof Hearted 22 Jul 15 10.45am | |
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Blair sticking his nose in again today. He was warning Labour supporters against voting for Corbyn. Even he can see that it would be shooting yourself in the foot (Michael?)and gift another 5 years to the Conservatives.
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| npn Crowborough 22 Jul 15 10.46am |
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Quote DanH at 22 Jul 2015 10.24am
Quote npn at 22 Jul 2015 10.20am
Quote nickgusset at 22 Jul 2015 10.14am
Latest polls show Corbyn on course to win. I'm not sure why his opponents are just saying how awful it would be if he won rather than unpicking his policies with a cogent argument.
On the one hand, it will be nice to see Labour move left to give genuine alternatives to the kind of 'conservative-lite' they've become in the search for votes from the middle ground. On the other hand, any government needs a strong opposition to keep it in check, and I suspect a Corbyn-led Labour party will fall back quite a long way before any comeback and the next election (at least) would be something of a landslide.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jul 15 10.59am |
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Quote OknotOK at 21 Jul 2015 3.05pm
A fair point actually. As an unashamed atheist who has nothing to do with church, my experience and network of friends is based more on charities that are not religious based, where I presume (although given I don't have the same network I don't have anything to support it) are generally more conservative (with a small "c" ) at least. Edited by OknotOK (21 Jul 2015 3.07pm) I imagine most big 'C' conservatives don't give swat unless they get some credit for it....The big 'I AMs' in the office who only bring out the wad for 'children in need' types.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jul 15 10.59am |
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Says something about this country when someone with unexpected support in an electoral contest is seen as a "disaster for democracy".
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 22 Jul 15 11.03am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jul 2015 10.45am
Blair sticking his nose in again today. He was warning Labour supporters against voting for Corbyn. Even he can see that it would be shooting yourself in the foot (Michael?)and gift another 5 years to the Conservatives. He must also know that by publicly stating people shouldn't vote for Corbyn he is virtually guaranteeing an awful lot will.
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| npn Crowborough 22 Jul 15 11.05am |
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Quote nickgusset at 22 Jul 2015 10.59am
Says something about this country when someone with unexpected support in an electoral contest is seen as a "disaster for democracy".
Politicians have on the whole long since forgotten that they work for us, not the other way around
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jul 15 11.10am |
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Quote npn at 22 Jul 2015 10.20am
Quote nickgusset at 22 Jul 2015 10.14am
Latest polls show Corbyn on course to win. I'm not sure why his opponents are just saying how awful it would be if he won rather than unpicking his policies with a cogent argument.
On the one hand, it will be nice to see Labour move left to give genuine alternatives to the kind of 'conservative-lite' they've become in the search for votes from the middle ground. On the other hand, any government needs a strong opposition to keep it in check, and I suspect a Corbyn-led Labour party will fall back quite a long way before any comeback and the next election (at least) would be something of a landslide.
I want parties to represent their grass roots....Not treat them with contempt.....Which is what happens with both the Tories and Labour. Blair and Blairites are Labour's right and are the minority amongst the membership.....They shouldn't feel that they have a right to own the leadership of the party. I'm not saying this because of some desire to see Labour stay in opposition for ages.....I'm genuinely saying it as an appeal to democracy in representation. I'm a right winger but while I'd never vote for Corbyn/CND I could see myself voting for a slightly moderated version of old Labour as a counter to the Tories if......As they probably will this version of rich boy Tories go too far in increasing the class/social divide in this country. But I don't think voting for another Blair/Cameron Labour clone like Burnham wouldn't interest me or many others. Tom Watson would have been a more sensible choice perhaps.
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| Anerley-Fried-Eagle Fake Beckenham actually 22 Jul 15 11.12am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 22 Jun 2015 11.08am
4 contenders, none of them up to much, but apart from Jeremy Corbyn all a step up from Miliband. Which do you prefer? My preference would be Corbyn for an easy Tory re-election in 5 years time. He is the Union's favourite, just like Miliband was and very left wing in his views. Labour need to sort out their economic credibility to stand a chance of gaining power ever again. Intersting starter for ten though hardly a coherant one given it is last coalition that increased this countrys debt.
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