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matt_himself Matataland 19 May 15 5.25am | |
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Unite are threatening to sever ties with Labour: Would be good for them not to be dictated to by the Union, and in Len McCluskey clearly a man that wants to be the unelected kingpin of the party but would conversely create a major funding issue for them.
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ChuFukka 19 May 15 7.42am | |
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derben 19 May 15 8.13am | |
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I don't think floating voters care much whether Labour has financial support from unions, or that Conservatives get financial support from big business, and Lib Dems from non-dom foreign billionaires. Edited by derben (19 May 2015 8.16am)
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matt_himself Matataland 19 May 15 8.35am | |
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Edited by ChuFukka (19 May 2015 7.43am) I don't believe it is a stupid point. Do you think that Tristram Hunt and Liz Kendall are common as muck types who went to Oxbridge via bursaries? The key point is that Labour partly lost the last election because they were out of touch with the electorate. By voting for a new leader, and most likely a deputy leader, out of a selection who enjoyed priviledged upbringings and top class education (with the trappings that brings), they will be repeating the cycle. As I have said before, I think this is great and will keep them out of office for another two elections.
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derben 19 May 15 9.20am | |
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Edited by ChuFukka (19 May 2015 7.43am) I don't believe it is a stupid point. Do you think that Tristram Hunt and Liz Kendall are common as muck types who went to Oxbridge via bursaries? The key point is that Labour partly lost the last election because they were out of touch with the electorate. By voting for a new leader, and most likely a deputy leader, out of a selection who enjoyed priviledged upbringings and top class education (with the trappings that brings), they will be repeating the cycle. As I have said before, I think this is great and will keep them out of office for another two elections. So the Labour vote did not vote Labour because the leader and deputy leader enjoyed privileged upbringings and top class education. Instead they went and voted Conservative and UKIP, whose leaders and deputy leaders enjoyed privileged upbringings and top class education?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 May 15 10.36am | |
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Edited by ChuFukka (19 May 2015 7.43am) Hardly makes them representative, the whole predominately white, male, upper middle class, privately educated, Cambridge or Oxford graduates. They are great universities, that actually aren't as hard to get into as you'd think, the selection process is much more about whether they want you. A school friend of mine had an offer of 2 grade d's at A-Level because they wanted him (he did get four grade A's and ultimately went to med school). But if you have the right parents, or right pedigree, you'll get a much easier entry offer than the run of the mill general public (its worth noting though that both will go out of their way to pay the fees and costs of students from poor backgrounds if they believe they have 'the right stuff'). The real power of an Oxford or Cambridge university is the doors it opens and the people you will meet there. For the record Howard Marks was an Oxford university student.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 May 15 10.41am | |
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Edited by ChuFukka (19 May 2015 7.43am) I don't believe it is a stupid point. Do you think that Tristram Hunt and Liz Kendall are common as muck types who went to Oxbridge via bursaries? The key point is that Labour partly lost the last election because they were out of touch with the electorate. By voting for a new leader, and most likely a deputy leader, out of a selection who enjoyed priviledged upbringings and top class education (with the trappings that brings), they will be repeating the cycle. As I have said before, I think this is great and will keep them out of office for another two elections. So the Labour vote did not vote Labour because the leader and deputy leader enjoyed privileged upbringings and top class education. Instead they went and voted Conservative and UKIP, whose leaders and deputy leaders enjoyed privileged upbringings and top class education? Not at all, Labour didn't actually do all that badly in the election, but the losses to the SNP and the losses of the Liberal Democrats hit them much worse than I think people expected (Infact Labour increased their share of the vote, despite being led by a Guff in a suit who looked and sounded like he was a special needs student on work experience). But it shouldn't matter where you were educated, its suspicious that so many of the cabinet and shadow cabinet went to 'the same schools and come from the same background'. There has always been a political class in the UK, typically the middle and upper middle classes (with the aristocratic tending more towards the house of lords than commons). What is interesting is how that hasn't really changed, despite massive changes in society and social mobility.
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ChuFukka 19 May 15 11.10am | |
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Edited by ChuFukka (19 May 2015 7.43am) Hardly makes them representative, the whole predominately white, male, upper middle class, privately educated, Cambridge or Oxford graduates. They are great universities, that actually aren't as hard to get into as you'd think, the selection process is much more about whether they want you. A school friend of mine had an offer of 2 grade d's at A-Level because they wanted him (he did get four grade A's and ultimately went to med school). But if you have the right parents, or right pedigree, you'll get a much easier entry offer than the run of the mill general public (its worth noting though that both will go out of their way to pay the fees and costs of students from poor backgrounds if they believe they have 'the right stuff'). The real power of an Oxford or Cambridge university is the doors it opens and the people you will meet there. For the record Howard Marks was an Oxford university student.
Both universities have had problems in the past, but are now the two most transparent in the country when it comes to their admissions procedures.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 May 15 11.50am | |
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Edited by ChuFukka (19 May 2015 7.43am) Hardly makes them representative, the whole predominately white, male, upper middle class, privately educated, Cambridge or Oxford graduates. They are great universities, that actually aren't as hard to get into as you'd think, the selection process is much more about whether they want you. A school friend of mine had an offer of 2 grade d's at A-Level because they wanted him (he did get four grade A's and ultimately went to med school). But if you have the right parents, or right pedigree, you'll get a much easier entry offer than the run of the mill general public (its worth noting though that both will go out of their way to pay the fees and costs of students from poor backgrounds if they believe they have 'the right stuff'). The real power of an Oxford or Cambridge university is the doors it opens and the people you will meet there. For the record Howard Marks was an Oxford university student.
Both universities have had problems in the past, but are now the two most transparent in the country when it comes to their admissions procedures. I'm only going on my experiences, so that's going back quite a while. The truth really is that as 'Excellent Universities' Oxford and Cambridge have a lot more competition these days, especially when you're talking about specific subjects. Still, the fact the degree says Oxford or Cambridge will open more doors than anything else.
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ChuFukka 19 May 15 11.55am | |
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Edited by ChuFukka (19 May 2015 7.43am) Hardly makes them representative, the whole predominately white, male, upper middle class, privately educated, Cambridge or Oxford graduates. They are great universities, that actually aren't as hard to get into as you'd think, the selection process is much more about whether they want you. A school friend of mine had an offer of 2 grade d's at A-Level because they wanted him (he did get four grade A's and ultimately went to med school). But if you have the right parents, or right pedigree, you'll get a much easier entry offer than the run of the mill general public (its worth noting though that both will go out of their way to pay the fees and costs of students from poor backgrounds if they believe they have 'the right stuff'). The real power of an Oxford or Cambridge university is the doors it opens and the people you will meet there. For the record Howard Marks was an Oxford university student.
Both universities have had problems in the past, but are now the two most transparent in the country when it comes to their admissions procedures. I'm only going on my experiences, so that's going back quite a while. The truth really is that as 'Excellent Universities' Oxford and Cambridge have a lot more competition these days, especially when you're talking about specific subjects. Still, the fact the degree says Oxford or Cambridge will open more doors than anything else. That's fair enough, you can only go on your experience. However, my experience is very recent and I know how much work goes into outreach and equal opportunities etc.
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