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  Hrolf The Ganger  26 Feb 16 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Around 35% of homeless in London are immigrants... Refugees and asylum seekers who have experienced torture or war are known to have high rates of mental disorder. Refugees from the war-torn East African countries of Eritrea and Somalia now represent 2 per cent of those sleeping rough on the streets of London. The vast majority of migrants from the A8 and A2 Accession States (Poland, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Romania and Bulgaria) do successfully find employment and accommodation in Britain, however, A8/A2 migrants have to work for a year before they have recourse to public funds. Those A8/A2 migrants who have lost their job or who have not been able to find work are therefore at high risk of becoming destitute and homeless. Perhaps unsurprisingly then, there is a significant minority of A8/A2 migrants in the rough sleeper population. In London for example, about 35 per cent of rough sleepers are from A8/A2 countries]. And it will get worse all the time we allow people here without sufficient vetting and the world poplualtion increases. Picture the situation in 2100.
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| Stuk Top half 26 Feb 16 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Your post made it seem like you were talking about homelessness in general. And all of nick's make it sound like the government are rounding people up and dumping them on the streets. For fun. The problem of homelessness, whatever reason they end up that way, is far more to do with the person itself and their personal choices in life than the government, the council or any policy that is made. He'd also have us believe that they're all mental and should have around the clock care fully paid for life.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 16 2.09pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
The sanctimonious two arrive. Feel free to allocate all of them your chosen reasons for their situation. If you can't claim for a year, don't come here unless you have a year's rent in your pocket or a job that will pay for it. Moving here without a job or the resources to feed or house yourself is a choice. If you read the link, which I doubt, you'd see that many did have work when they came here, but lost their job. Due to the rules, they were unable to get support. What about the many women who are homeless through escaping domestic violence, or kids who have left home because of violence or sexual assault. Is that their choice too?
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| Stuk Top half 26 Feb 16 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
If you read the link, which I doubt, you'd see that many did have work when they came here, but lost their job. Due to the rules, they were unable to get support. What about the many women who are homeless through escaping domestic violence, or kids who have left home because of violence or sexual assault. Is that their choice too? Go home then. See, here come the allocated reasons. Those few examples will be a fraction of what is already an extremely tiny amount, 0.01% remember. I'm sure even you would actually acknowledge that the vast majority of homeless are male. And drunk.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 16 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Go home then. See, here come the allocated reasons. Those few examples will be a fraction of what is already an extremely tiny amount, 0.01% remember. I'm sure even you would actually acknowledge that the vast majority of homeless are male. And drunk. Most probably. One would imagine that drinking helps numb the pain of being out in the cold 24/7.
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 26 Feb 16 3.13pm |
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As an aside....if a homeless hostel burns down, what does that make its residents?
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| Hoof Hearted 26 Feb 16 3.31pm | |
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Originally posted by mezzer
As an aside....if a homeless hostel burns down, what does that make its residents? Crispy?
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I'll get me coat.........| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 16 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by mezzer
As an aside....if a homeless hostel burns down, what does that make its residents? Hostelless?
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| johnfirewall 26 Feb 16 3.35pm |
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I have heard people suggest that those who want British homeless to have priority over refugees, never actually cared about the homeless prior to the current crisis. Maybe they didn't but I'd say starting to give a fcuk now is a pragmatic approach rather than having nothing more than a dream of everyone being looked after. But really what of the current homeless when it comes to new arrivals getting homes, Nick? A friend recently expressed her disenchantment over her work for a homeless shelter when she calculated half the residents were eastern European. It echos the obvious question of why people came (or stayed, assuming they lost jobs while over here) without work. wouldn't be surprised if a few were still working. I know you'd like to say it was due to bedroom tax but it's important to work out why people become homeless, English or otherwise. Realistically how many on the streets were kicked out of their properties? Having a home falls under either owning, renting or living with family. Any of us could easily deviate from those categories and sofa surf for example. This would be by choice, likely due to market forces rather than any specific government policy. Hopefully the new taxes on buy-to-lets will lower prices though. Edited by johnfirewall (26 Feb 2016 3.36pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 16 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
I have heard people suggest that those who want British homeless to have priority over refugees, never actually cared about the homeless prior to the current crisis. Maybe they didn't but I'd say starting to give a fcuk now is a pragmatic approach rather than having nothing more than a dream of everyone being looked after. But really what of the current homeless when it comes to new arrivals getting homes, Nick? A friend recently expressed her disenchantment over her work for a homeless shelter when she calculated half the residents were eastern European. It echos the obvious question of why people came (or stayed, assuming they lost jobs while over here) without work. wouldn't be surprised if a few were still working. I know you'd like to say it was due to bedroom tax but it's important to work out why people become homeless, English or otherwise. Realistically how many on the streets were kicked out of their properties? Having a home falls under either owning, renting or living with family. Any of us could easily deviate from those categories and sofa surf for example. This would be by choice, likely due to market forces rather than any specific government policy. Hopefully the new taxes on buy-to-lets will lower prices though. Edited by johnfirewall (26 Feb 2016 3.36pm)
I've never understood why people would come from abroad to be homeless here, it ain't for the weather!
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| johnfirewall 26 Feb 16 4.03pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I've never understood why people would come from abroad to be homeless here, it ain't for the weather! Several of my mates left stable homes in their teens just because they could get their own place without having to work even though it was just a bedsit so I've a lot of sympathy for anyone ending up homeless upon fleeing abuse. This was under Labour so I guess as with some other Tory policies to reduce the number of scroungers this has resulted in the baby being thrown out with the bathwater.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 26 Feb 16 4.11pm |
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My solution We should round up everyone off the streets. Those who are economic migrants be sent home (as happened a couple of years ago) Those who are on hard times and or have mental issues but in one of the many now empty army camps. Give them a six month deal. In that time they are fed and watered and paid a basic wage. 50% they get weekly the other is saved for when they leave. During the six months (or however long), they receive vocational training (if appropriate), PT, heath care, psychiatric help, etc. They are free to leave at any time but they forfeit the 50% salary (there could be exceptions e.g. reunited with estranged family) Towards the end of their time they are helped to find work and released into a hostel. Might not be perfect but I reckon it would help with a lot of them Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (26 Feb 2016 4.12pm)
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