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Jonny_Johnson Tel Aviv 20 Nov 12 7.41pm
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 20 Nov 12 7.51pm
Quote Jonny_Johnson at 20 Nov 2012 7.41pm And another. [Link] I believe he is a pacifist, a civilian and bombed on and off by Isreal since 1976. In his own words, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be." "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 20 Nov 12 7.51pm

Quote Jonny_Johnson at 20 Nov 2012 7.41pm

And another.

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I believe he is a pacifist, a civilian and bombed on and off by Isreal since 1976.

In his own words, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be."

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 20 Nov 12 8.01pm
Quote dannyh at 20 Nov 2012 4.54pm Whats all this hulabalo did someone call someone else a big nose. [Link] "Blessed are the cheesemakers" I used to be immortal
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crystal balls

The Garden of Earthly Delights 20 Nov 12 8.01pm

Quote dannyh at 20 Nov 2012 4.54pm

Whats all this hulabalo did someone call someone else a big nose.

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"Blessed are the cheesemakers"

I used to be immortal

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 20 Nov 12 8.01pm
Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 7.51pm Quote Jonny_Johnson at 20 Nov 2012 7.41pm And another. [Link] I believe he is a pacifist, a civilian and bombed on and off by Isreal since 1976. In his own words, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be." Not sure how you can side with someone and pretend to be unbiased at the same time. Also fairly ridiculous to pretend that there is not suffering on both sides so is he on the side which suffers most? Both sides have polemicists and the pro-Israeli media is generally much more powerful so to an extent he redresses the balance but he's still a c**k. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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SloveniaDave

Tirana, Albania 20 Nov 12 8.01pm

Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 7.51pm

Quote Jonny_Johnson at 20 Nov 2012 7.41pm

And another.

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I believe he is a pacifist, a civilian and bombed on and off by Isreal since 1976.

In his own words, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be."

Not sure how you can side with someone and pretend to be unbiased at the same time. Also fairly ridiculous to pretend that there is not suffering on both sides so is he on the side which suffers most?

Both sides have polemicists and the pro-Israeli media is generally much more powerful so to an extent he redresses the balance but he's still a c**k.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 20 Nov 12 8.03pm
Quote crystal balls at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm Quote dannyh at 20 Nov 2012 4.54pm Whats all this hulabalo did someone call someone else a big nose. [Link] "Blessed are the cheesemakers" and any other manufacturers of dairy products. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 20 Nov 12 8.03pm

Quote crystal balls at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm

Quote dannyh at 20 Nov 2012 4.54pm

Whats all this hulabalo did someone call someone else a big nose.

[Link]

"Blessed are the cheesemakers"

and any other manufacturers of dairy products.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 20 Nov 12 8.12pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 7.51pm Quote Jonny_Johnson at 20 Nov 2012 7.41pm And another. [Link] I believe he is a pacifist, a civilian and bombed on and off by Isreal since 1976. In his own words, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be." Not sure how you can side with someone and pretend to be unbiased at the same time. Also fairly ridiculous to pretend that there is not suffering on both sides so is he on the side which suffers most? Both sides have polemicists and the pro-Israeli media is generally much more powerful so to an extent he redresses the balance but he's still a c**k. I read that as neutral and not affected by those who suffer in a similar manner as the Syrian governments war against its populace. Of course there is suffering on both sides but you have to be naive to think that any conflict is symmetrical. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 20 Nov 12 8.12pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm

Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 7.51pm

Quote Jonny_Johnson at 20 Nov 2012 7.41pm

And another.

[Link]

I believe he is a pacifist, a civilian and bombed on and off by Isreal since 1976.

In his own words, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be."

Both sides have polemicists and the pro-Israeli media is generally much more powerful so to an extent he redresses the balance but he's still a c**k.

I read that as neutral and not affected by those who suffer in a similar manner as the Syrian governments war against its populace.

Of course there is suffering on both sides but you have to be naive to think that any conflict is symmetrical.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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SloveniaDave Tirana, Albania 20 Nov 12 8.16pm
Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 8.12pm Quote SloveniaDave at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 7.51pm Quote Jonny_Johnson at 20 Nov 2012 7.41pm And another. [Link] I believe he is a pacifist, a civilian and bombed on and off by Isreal since 1976. In his own words, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be." Not sure how you can side with someone and pretend to be unbiased at the same time. Also fairly ridiculous to pretend that there is not suffering on both sides so is he on the side which suffers most? Both sides have polemicists and the pro-Israeli media is generally much more powerful so to an extent he redresses the balance but he's still a c**k. I read that as neutral and not affected by those who suffer in a similar manner as the Syrian governments war against its populace. Of course there is suffering on both sides but you have to be naive to think that any conflict is symmetrical. I read it the other way but it is ambiguous. Fully agree with your second point but still maintain that Fisk is an apologist and a very unreliable 'reporter'. Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. (Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)
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SloveniaDave

Tirana, Albania 20 Nov 12 8.16pm

Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 8.12pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm

Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 7.51pm

Quote Jonny_Johnson at 20 Nov 2012 7.41pm

And another.

[Link]

I believe he is a pacifist, a civilian and bombed on and off by Isreal since 1976.

In his own words, "I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be."

Both sides have polemicists and the pro-Israeli media is generally much more powerful so to an extent he redresses the balance but he's still a c**k.

I read that as neutral and not affected by those who suffer in a similar manner as the Syrian governments war against its populace.

Of course there is suffering on both sides but you have to be naive to think that any conflict is symmetrical.

I read it the other way but it is ambiguous. Fully agree with your second point but still maintain that Fisk is an apologist and a very unreliable 'reporter'.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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Stuk Top half 20 Nov 12 8.27pm
Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 8.03pm Quote crystal balls at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm Quote dannyh at 20 Nov 2012 4.54pm Whats all this hulabalo did someone call someone else a big nose. [Link] "Blessed are the cheesemakers" and any other manufacturers of dairy products. Which reminds me. What's the latest on the cottage cheese protest in Israel? Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 20 Nov 12 8.27pm

Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 8.03pm

Quote crystal balls at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm

Quote dannyh at 20 Nov 2012 4.54pm

Whats all this hulabalo did someone call someone else a big nose.

[Link]

"Blessed are the cheesemakers"

and any other manufacturers of dairy products.

Which reminds me. What's the latest on the cottage cheese protest in Israel?

Optimistic as ever

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Stirlingsays 20 Nov 12 8.34pm
Hamas want to play David to Israel's Goliath, but then we get the huge, 'it's not fair' charge....No such thing as playing fair in war. In war if one man attacks you with a peashooter you respond with a tank. If the people of Gaza had wanted peace they wouldn't have voted in Hamas, the blueprint is there, There are no Israeli attacks in the West Bank, Israel voted in an aggressive government. The majority within both sets of people have the governments they have chosen. Until they have had enough blood letting they just need to get on with it. Moderates aren't going to make any proper headway until there is a will for it. As Hamas are currently getting knocked without much coming the other way, I'm not surprised they want a ceasefire.....Not too sure there is anything in it for Israel though. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2012 9.03pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Nov 12 8.34pm

Hamas want to play David to Israel's Goliath, but then we get the huge, 'it's not fair' charge....No such thing as playing fair in war. In war if one man attacks you with a peashooter you respond with a tank.

If the people of Gaza had wanted peace they wouldn't have voted in Hamas, the blueprint is there, There are no Israeli attacks in the West Bank,

Israel voted in an aggressive government. The majority within both sets of people have the governments they have chosen. Until they have had enough blood letting they just need to get on with it.

Moderates aren't going to make any proper headway until there is a will for it. As Hamas are currently getting knocked without much coming the other way, I'm not surprised they want a ceasefire.....Not too sure there is anything in it for Israel though.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Nov 2012 9.03pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 12 8.46pm
Quote Stuk at 20 Nov 2012 8.27pm Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 8.03pm Quote crystal balls at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm Quote dannyh at 20 Nov 2012 4.54pm Whats all this hulabalo did someone call someone else a big nose. [Link] "Blessed are the cheesemakers" and any other manufacturers of dairy products. Which reminds me. What's the latest on the cottage cheese protest in Israel? A little known fact about me is I used to be a cheesemaker.
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Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 12 8.46pm

Quote Stuk at 20 Nov 2012 8.27pm

Quote pefwin at 20 Nov 2012 8.03pm

Quote crystal balls at 20 Nov 2012 8.01pm

Quote dannyh at 20 Nov 2012 4.54pm

Whats all this hulabalo did someone call someone else a big nose.

[Link]

"Blessed are the cheesemakers"

and any other manufacturers of dairy products.

Which reminds me. What's the latest on the cottage cheese protest in Israel?

A little known fact about me is I used to be a cheesemaker.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 12 8.47pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Nov 2012 8.34pm Hams want to play David to Israel's Goliath, but then we get the huge, 'it's not fair' charge....No such thing as playing fair in war. In war if one man attacks you with a peashooter you respond with a tank. If the people of Gaza had wanted peace they wouldn't have voted in Hamas, the blueprint is there, There are no Israeli attacks in the West Bank, Israel voted in an aggressive government. The majority within both sets of people have the governments they have chosen. Until they have had enough blood letting they just need to get on with it. Moderates aren't going to make any proper headway until there is a will for it. As Hamas are currently getting knocked without much coming the other way, I'm not surprised they want a ceasefire.....Not too sure there is anything in it for Israel though. Are Fatah any better?
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Nov 12 8.47pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Nov 2012 8.34pm

Hams want to play David to Israel's Goliath, but then we get the huge, 'it's not fair' charge....No such thing as playing fair in war. In war if one man attacks you with a peashooter you respond with a tank.

If the people of Gaza had wanted peace they wouldn't have voted in Hamas, the blueprint is there, There are no Israeli attacks in the West Bank,

Israel voted in an aggressive government. The majority within both sets of people have the governments they have chosen. Until they have had enough blood letting they just need to get on with it.

Are Fatah any better?

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Stirlingsays 20 Nov 12 8.52pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2012 8.47pm Are Fatah any better? In terms of being able to make progress with Israel yes. Fatah, have recognised their right to exist. A Fatah dominated leadership would help. But at the moment both sides have the leaderships they voted for. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

20 Nov 12 8.52pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Nov 2012 8.47pm

Are Fatah any better?

In terms of being able to make progress with Israel yes.

Fatah, have recognised their right to exist. A Fatah dominated leadership would help.

But at the moment both sides have the leaderships they voted for.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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