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Mstrobez 08 May 21 8.38am
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt Very good post. To continue your line of argument, either we have money to buy a few new, better, quicker, probably younger players who will improve the team, or we don't. If we do then why shouldn't Hodgson have the benefit of the investment? He is being judged for the awful football we play but has had next to no money spent on the team. Most posters who are 'Roy out' stress that they have no unreasonable expectations regarding sexy football at Palace, and just want a bit more entertainment and endeavour. Why wouldn't a reinforced team under Hodgson provide that? If we don't have the money for any new players then all the more reason to keep Roy. No reason at all. For me, the real reason Roy's position is in doubt leading into next season (if it is) is a result of either one of two things: 1) he is genuinely retiring 2) Parish knows that if the discontent of the fans boils over, Roys' position will quickly become untenable & things could get ugly. I don't mean this in an insulting way but I've genuinely never been so disappointed at the conduct of our fans. Roy has conducted himself honourably throughout and has done an excellent job - he should really go down in the clubs history for it. Instead, he's being hounded out. And for what? As you said, he's earned the investment, and if we're not investing then Roy is absolutely the man for the job. Edited by Mstrobez (08 May 2021 8.41am) We're the Arthur over ere!
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08 May 21 8.38am

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Very good post. To continue your line of argument, either we have money to buy a few new, better, quicker, probably younger players who will improve the team, or we don't.

If we do then why shouldn't Hodgson have the benefit of the investment? He is being judged for the awful football we play but has had next to no money spent on the team. Most posters who are 'Roy out' stress that they have no unreasonable expectations regarding sexy football at Palace, and just want a bit more entertainment and endeavour. Why wouldn't a reinforced team under Hodgson provide that?

If we don't have the money for any new players then all the more reason to keep Roy.

No reason at all. For me, the real reason Roy's position is in doubt leading into next season (if it is) is a result of either one of two things:

1) he is genuinely retiring
2) Parish knows that if the discontent of the fans boils over, Roys' position will quickly become untenable & things could get ugly.

I don't mean this in an insulting way but I've genuinely never been so disappointed at the conduct of our fans. Roy has conducted himself honourably throughout and has done an excellent job - he should really go down in the clubs history for it.

Instead, he's being hounded out. And for what? As you said, he's earned the investment, and if we're not investing then Roy is absolutely the man for the job.

Edited by Mstrobez (08 May 2021 8.41am)

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 08 May 21 9.41am
Originally posted by Mstrobez No reason at all. For me, the real reason Roy's position is in doubt leading into next season (if it is) is a result of either one of two things: 1) he is genuinely retiring 2) Parish knows that if the discontent of the fans boils over, Roys' position will quickly become untenable & things could get ugly. I don't mean this in an insulting way but I've genuinely never been so disappointed at the conduct of our fans. Roy has conducted himself honourably throughout and has done an excellent job - he should really go down in the clubs history for it. Instead, he's being hounded out. And for what? As you said, he's earned the investment, and if we're not investing then Roy is absolutely the man for the job. Edited by Mstrobez (08 May 2021 8.41am) I'm in agreement with your last 2 posts, which by the way would be perfectly at home in the ' Roy Out ' thread ! At some point we will need to continue without the safe pair of hands that Roy undoubtably is. From my perspective, now feels the right time. Roy can walk away with his dignity intact and that's the least he deserves. A new man ( or woman, this is 2021 ! ) can come in on a longer contact than the rolling 12 month deal that Hodgson has been on, and the club can re-set itself to start thinking longer term as opposed to the season by season approach currently employed. I suspect that Palace will attempt to do that via some shrewd and cheap player acquisitions and introducing a few of the more talented youngsters. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 08 May 21 9.41am

Originally posted by Mstrobez

No reason at all. For me, the real reason Roy's position is in doubt leading into next season (if it is) is a result of either one of two things:

1) he is genuinely retiring
2) Parish knows that if the discontent of the fans boils over, Roys' position will quickly become untenable & things could get ugly.

Instead, he's being hounded out. And for what? As you said, he's earned the investment, and if we're not investing then Roy is absolutely the man for the job.

Edited by Mstrobez (08 May 2021 8.41am)

I'm in agreement with your last 2 posts, which by the way would be perfectly at home in the ' Roy Out ' thread !

At some point we will need to continue without the safe pair of hands that Roy undoubtably is.

From my perspective, now feels the right time. Roy can walk away with his dignity intact and that's the least he deserves.

A new man ( or woman, this is 2021 ! ) can come in on a longer contact than the rolling 12 month deal that Hodgson has been on, and the club can re-set itself to start thinking longer term as opposed to the season by season approach currently employed.

I suspect that Palace will attempt to do that
via some shrewd and cheap player acquisitions and introducing a few of the more talented youngsters.

Old, Ungifted and White

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ex hibitionist Hastings 08 May 21 10.01am
I'm not anti-Roy but some of the limp thrashings this year have been appalling, Liverpool, Chelsea and City away, and Burnley at home, and though Roy's hands have been tied to a great extent, Parish will have hated those performances as much as the rest of us, and I think that's what's ultimately convinced Parish it's the right time for a change. We need new, younger, faster players and a manager who has a clear idea what they want to put in place for the next three or four years, and that man can't be Roy.
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I'm not anti-Roy but some of the limp thrashings this year have been appalling, Liverpool, Chelsea and City away, and Burnley at home, and though Roy's hands have been tied to a great extent, Parish will have hated those performances as much as the rest of us, and I think that's what's ultimately convinced Parish it's the right time for a change. We need new, younger, faster players and a manager who has a clear idea what they want to put in place for the next three or four years, and that man can't be Roy.

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kev64 Cambs 08 May 21 10.08am
We’re in a race to 17th place .. terrible game 1-0 loss.
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Cambs 08 May 21 10.08am

We’re in a race to 17th place .. terrible game 1-0 loss.

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Elphers40 Sunny South Coast 08 May 21 12.26pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild I don't think there's much argument that another manager would have gotten more points than Roy with the current squad, but is there anyone arguing that we've seen anything resembling entertainment for most of this season? We've also had Lady Luck very much on our side, sometimes to hilarious levels like the Brighton game It is a risk to change Roy, just as it is to shake up the squad, but in my view we have been going downhill the last 18 months and we need a fresh perspective. Mainly, I'm just not sure I can bare another season of 30% possession and three shots a game. 100% on the money.
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I don't think there's much argument that another manager would have gotten more points than Roy with the current squad, but is there anyone arguing that we've seen anything resembling entertainment for most of this season? We've also had Lady Luck very much on our side, sometimes to hilarious levels like the Brighton game It is a risk to change Roy, just as it is to shake up the squad, but in my view we have been going downhill the last 18 months and we need a fresh perspective. Mainly, I'm just not sure I can bare another season of 30% possession and three shots a game.

100% on the money.

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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 09 May 21 4.59am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle No but I wasn't comparing the two but merely addressing one single point that you made (many weeks ago) don't care if it was today or last year... was a poor comparison. This was once a quality forum....
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

No but I wasn't comparing the two but merely addressing one single point that you made (many weeks ago)

don't care if it was today or last year... was a poor comparison.

This was once a quality forum....

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Midlands Eagle 09 May 21 7.10am
Originally posted by Vaibow don't care if it was today or last year... was a poor comparison. You argue just like my wife and she's never wrong either
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Originally posted by Vaibow

don't care if it was today or last year... was a poor comparison.

You argue just like my wife and she's never wrong either

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beak croydon 09 May 21 8.00am
Let us hope the choice of Manager is Roy Hodgson.
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Let us hope the choice of Manager is Roy Hodgson.

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 09 May 21 11.24am
Originally posted by taylors lovechild I don't think there's much argument that another manager would have gotten more points than Roy with the current squad, but is there anyone arguing that we've seen anything resembling entertainment for most of this season? We've also had Lady Luck very much on our side, sometimes to hilarious levels like the Brighton game It is a risk to change Roy, just as it is to shake up the squad, but in my view we have been going downhill the last 18 months and we need a fresh perspective. Mainly, I'm just not sure I can bare another season of 30% possession and three shots a game. i would argue that is very much not the case given (arguably) our entire 1st choice defence has spent almost the whole season injured bar right back...weve played a midfielder as CB all season, and yes weve taken some hidings but on the whole managed really well. im pretty sure we've had the worst injury record this season alongside liverpool. then we lost wilf for a period of covid & injury. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I don't think there's much argument that another manager would have gotten more points than Roy with the current squad, but is there anyone arguing that we've seen anything resembling entertainment for most of this season? We've also had Lady Luck very much on our side, sometimes to hilarious levels like the Brighton game It is a risk to change Roy, just as it is to shake up the squad, but in my view we have been going downhill the last 18 months and we need a fresh perspective. Mainly, I'm just not sure I can bare another season of 30% possession and three shots a game.

i would argue that is very much not the case given (arguably) our entire 1st choice defence has spent almost the whole season injured bar right back...weve played a midfielder as CB all season, and yes weve taken some hidings but on the whole managed really well.

im pretty sure we've had the worst injury record this season alongside liverpool.

then we lost wilf for a period of covid & injury.

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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Gary St.Andrews Kenley 09 May 21 4.35pm
Originally posted by kev64 We’re in a race to 17th place .. terrible game 1-0 loss. Still think this Kev after the weekends results?
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Originally posted by kev64

We’re in a race to 17th place .. terrible game 1-0 loss.

Still think this Kev after the weekends results?

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Spiderman Horsham 09 May 21 5.49pm
Originally posted by braunstoneagle i would argue that is very much not the case given (arguably) our entire 1st choice defence has spent almost the whole season injured bar right back...weve played a midfielder as CB all season, and yes weve taken some hidings but on the whole managed really well. im pretty sure we've had the worst injury record this season alongside liverpool. then we lost wilf for a period of covid & injury. Agreed but I think questions should be asked how/why we pick up so many injuries in training, did Wilf have COVID? wasn’t aware of thst Edited by Spiderman (09 May 2021 5.50pm)
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Horsham 09 May 21 5.49pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

im pretty sure we've had the worst injury record this season alongside liverpool.

then we lost wilf for a period of covid & injury.

Agreed but I think questions should be asked how/why we pick up so many injuries in training, did Wilf have COVID? wasn’t aware of thst

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Putitout Oxford 10 May 21 5.14pm
Just watched Hodgson, talking to Sky,, and it left me wondering if it is him that is not committing until the outcome of what he freely says will be an inevitable change in some personnel. As he says there is a sound base, for the future, even though some old faces will go. Is he waiting to see what the quality of the replacements are before he is prepared to commit ? This isn’t all together a new situation for him, as at the end of other seasons he has expressed a need for reinforcements, and maybe was led to believe he would get them. It’s my feeling he must have been left more than a little disappointed . On the basis of that could he be more cautious this time,? Even though there will be holes to fill, is it a case of what they get filled with that makes him hold his cards close until he knows for sure that he gets some decent signings to work with.?
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Just watched Hodgson, talking to Sky,, and it left me wondering if it is him that is not committing until the outcome of what he freely says will be an inevitable change in some personnel.
As he says there is a sound base, for the future, even though some old faces will go. Is he waiting to see what the quality of the replacements are before he is prepared to commit ?
This isn’t all together a new situation for him, as at the end of other seasons he has expressed a need for reinforcements, and maybe was led to believe he would get them. It’s my feeling he must have been left more than a little disappointed . On the basis of that could he be more cautious this time,? Even though there will be holes to fill, is it a case of what they get filled with that makes him hold his cards close until he knows for sure that he gets some decent signings to work with.?

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