Originally posted by Belmont

You see this is where you and me differ I think it is a stretch to stereotypically brand any set of people or community by a sub set of that people/community.

I think stereotyping requires people to judge the many by the actions of the few, you hint at the black community has having a disproportionate propensity for knife crime and yes the news does report the perpetrators as black but what actual percentage of the community is that do you know? How many are repeat offenders do you also know that, so the point I'm making it could be any percentage.

You say "it is a stretch to brand millions of people as far right loons because a few thousand are" but would that be a comparable percentage between the members of the black the community committing knife crime and the thousands far right loons in comparison to the millions. Until you know those facts you can't seemingly support one stereotype and defend another.

Originally posted by Belmont

You see this is where you and me differ I think it is a stretch to stereotypically brand any set of people or community by a sub set of that people/community.

I think stereotyping requires people to judge the many by the actions of the few, you hint at the black community has having a disproportionate propensity for knife crime and yes the news does report the perpetrators as black but what actual percentage of the community is that do you know? How many are repeat offenders do you also know that, so the point I'm making it could be any percentage.

You say "it is a stretch to brand millions of people as far right loons because a few thousand are" but would that be a comparable percentage between the members of the black the community committing knife crime and the thousands far right loons in comparison to the millions. Until you know those facts you can't seemingly support one stereotype and defend another.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ok, I urge all who read this to watch that video and especially the parts where the working class are shown. At that point you can make the decision for yourself of the footage and whether this poster is a liar or at the very least can be said to be a reliable reporter of an event.

You appear to be incapable of determining the difference between an opinion and a lie. It seems you believe as your opinions always equal the truth, others are lies. The point being made by my comments was not intended to be a frame by frame analysis of the various scenes but a rebuttal of the idea that our ancestors lived in a homogeneous society when the truth is that it was every bit as stratified as ours is today.

The problem here is I have no respect for you. While it's obvious that you are intelligent I regard you as ethically immoral. While we have considerable political differences this is in principle due to your support of the Police during the rape scandals.It isn't helped by your pin dancing, elitist near worship and...to my mind at least regular misleading statements to suit whatever position you wish to take. However, these latter reasons are dwarfed by the former.As for how I describe you or what I say here, while I will consider reasonable requests (ie back up claims of lying) that's about it.

OMG we are back to this as again as the justification for your abhorrent attitude. I refuse to explain again why you are wrong. Frankly spoken if that is truly what lies behind your words I suggest you seek some help. I have tried, very patiently and without rancour, to do so, and others have too but it appears not to penetrate. To describe someone you have never met as "ethically immoral" is really very insulting, especially as it's completely untrue.

I consider this a lie.

The evidence is that I've never read anything from you that can be said to be socially conservative. I have little doubt that you care about your fiscal situation and that anything remotely connected to your wealth is strictly conservative.

However, that's no different to the far left running Google or Facebook.

Tell us, where do you differ from the far left on any social policies?

I am not a social conservative and have never claimed to be. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I am very much in the middle of UK politics and have admiration for politicians from both major parties. I admired Macmillan, Heath, Heseltine, Clarke and Cameron (until Brexit) and not Powell or Thatcher. I admired Blair and thought Corbyn awful.

The "far-left" don't run Google or Facebook. What a ridiculous assertion. That you even might think that to be true just shows how distorted your thinking is. They certainly don't pander to the right, but that just means they are behaving responsibly.

Where do I differ to the "far-left"? How about in everything! I don't believe in the public ownership of all state assets. Only those where the national interest dictates it or where the roles are more efficiently done collectively. I believe in rewarding enterprise, innovation and hard work and not in protecting the lazy. I could go on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2021 2.47pm)

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I understand your logic but would argue that when members of a demographic which makes up only 3% of a population commits 80% of total violent crime, that would not have equivalence with 0.0001 percent of the White population being members of far right wing groups.

Originally posted by Belmont

Ok but if it's going to be a fair comparison what percentage of the total 3% actually commit those crimes?

Originally posted by Belmont

So you don't know the answer? If not are you are basing your stereotype on an opinion?