Ah yes. Who needs experts when what you need is common sense

Perhaps you’d like to look again at teenage pregnancy rates oh great scientist.

Nobody is saying destigmatise child sexual abuse, idiotic comment.

So, what IS your approach to dealing with child sex offenders? I just knew you’d make some superficial mention of social conservatism and have no other content.

You mean illegal abortions, babies given up for adoption, phantom 'brothers' and 'sisters'.

Primarily abuse happens within families, often father to daughter. It would be a strange assessment though to suggest that heterosexuality or heterosexual men in general are therefore to blame for child abuse. Abusers are the blame for abuse. Much in the same way, within the Church if people abuse children they are opportunistic pedos doing so on account of a sickening attraction to children, not due to 'not being straight'. It can still be a socially conservative environment and they socially conservative individuals. This is just modern fringe politics - using child suffering for political advantage and throwing in other perceived aligned demographics into the mix for good measure. Saying 'your lot' will legalise child sex seeks to link you to something you clearly have no connection to at all, and shows how far some will go to connect more than half of voters with this disgusting stuff. That itself is the motivation for it rather than protecting any child. As you rightly acknowledge neither political ideology solves this, because fundamentally it isn't political.

Case in point, on the opposite asile, Stateside there are countless Republicans and those linked to the party who have been prosecuted for child sex crimes. Many high profile, many 'forgiven' and active politically. Found online, hundreds of examples are part of this list. Itself political, the list is yet another illustration of how this point scoring achieves nothing but a series of finger points in both directions that ultimately achieve nothing and means nothing [Link]

Does this list therefore mean that abuse is a 'Conservative problem' that we can lump at that doorstep? No, grotesque conduct transcends political affiliation and doesn't fit glib, naive or radicalised social media storylines and a desire to stick it to those you don't like. Whether you're left or right tells us nothing about your conduct in this regard. The push to wed it to politics then becomes that 'the left' are trying to normalise it. Again, the main purpose of that is to make the aforementioned abuse by those they're politically aligned with have zero wider meaning, and to do the very opposite with their political 'enemies'; to broadly sully an entire political identity by pushing the same kind of individual examples as 'proof' of that. Repulsive. It's the same filth whoever is doing it. And when it comes to inappropriate level stuff that people may view politically, whether a drag show that should be adults only, or a creepy bible belt beauty pageant that get kids dressed up and parading in mini skirts with a full face of adult make-up, we can all say 'look at that!', but realistically almost nobody other than actual abusers in society thinks that child abuse is in any way acceptable.

Anyone seeking to go ultra political on this, is politically bought and sold. You can see that from the other avalache of off unrelated views they inevitably hold. 'How to gift your mind and morals to social media echo chambers for free' replaces 'how to make friends and influence people'. Radicalisation for Dummies. My suggestion for these types. Communicate. Associate. Relate. Drawing opinions and perspectives from reality rather than an electronically transmitted feed tends not to be a bad choice in life.

Edited by MrWhyNot (04 Jan 2023 2.24am)

'You lot' again is it? Ironically considering I'm not even liberal, I still feel the need to call this stuff out. To be honest, from just reading a few threads, this included, you essentially cannot seemingly go a moment without trying to lump in gays and others with your breadcrumb trail to deplorable sexual conduct that basically no-one outside of the warped goes along with.

If you want to do so realise that you're publicly saying this to people in your own life. Is political point scoring worth that? You seriously need to get a handle on your conduct and mods need to get a grip on and perspective on the fact that this is a Palace forum for all, not some comfort pillow for radicalised individuals with too much time on their hands craving lumping normal people in with deviants and abuse. Sort this crap out please, mods. Seriously. This does not look good.

Edited by MrWhyNot (01 Jan 2023 6.47am)

I think we would all agree that -
Children need protecting.
Pedophiles are dangerous.
Passing laws that dilute the above are dangerous and need revoking.
A trickle feed of anything that helps a pedophile needs stamping out.
Happy New Year all!

Yep, people need to be reminded.

I don't understand how the word " stigma " came in to a discussion involving child sexual abuse ( I Have not read back every post ) which is apart from anything else is criminal.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.