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leggedstruggle Croydon 08 Sep 15 1.41pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Sep 2015 1.30pm Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Sep 2015 1.00pm We have always had immigrants......At a reasonable level I think there is an element of truth in all that guff the politicians want us to believe about immigration being positive......They all say it like a mantra. When I say a reasonable level I mean immigration used as a tool to balance the economy........Though I hasten to add not as tool to drive down wages for several already low paid workforces. Our immigration level should definitely take account of our housing situation. As a country I truly feel we are sticking our collective heads in the sand over housing provision......We are widening the divide between people. Many who work just have no realistic chance of owning their home........The baby boomers had the cream of the chances and have screwed it all up for the next generations. But to go back to my original point, immigration can be positive if it is controlled and takes account of the host population instead of treating them like dumping grounds and culturally rapidly changing the nature of their living spaces......That's what 'freedom of movement' has given us. People talk about London as being a success story......But they ignore that many many people left London because of rapid change.....Many people whose families had lived there for many generations. reasonableness and the immigration debate aren't on the same page. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 1.01pm) London in now rated by respected institutions as the top triple A* city on the globe and the most dynamic followed in second by New York. Something has gone right there since we were kids. It's a lot more varied colourful and interesting and, unfortunately, expensive but it is truly an amazing metropolis. The people make it fascinating imo. Respected by whom? Might be ok for wealthy people and visitors, pretty awful for ordinary people. I hear they are are fleeing to the likes of Devon. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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We have always had immigrants......At a reasonable level I think there is an element of truth in all that guff the politicians want us to believe about immigration being positive......They all say it like a mantra.

When I say a reasonable level I mean immigration used as a tool to balance the economy........Though I hasten to add not as tool to drive down wages for several already low paid workforces.

Our immigration level should definitely take account of our housing situation.

As a country I truly feel we are sticking our collective heads in the sand over housing provision......We are widening the divide between people.

Many who work just have no realistic chance of owning their home........The baby boomers had the cream of the chances and have screwed it all up for the next generations.

But to go back to my original point, immigration can be positive if it is controlled and takes account of the host population instead of treating them like dumping grounds and culturally rapidly changing the nature of their living spaces......That's what 'freedom of movement' has given us.

People talk about London as being a success story......But they ignore that many many people left London because of rapid change.....Many people whose families had lived there for many generations.

reasonableness and the immigration debate aren't on the same page.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 1.01pm)

London in now rated by respected institutions as the top triple A* city on the globe and the most dynamic followed in second by New York.

Something has gone right there since we were kids. It's a lot more varied colourful and interesting and, unfortunately, expensive but it is truly an amazing metropolis. The people make it fascinating imo.

Respected by whom? Might be ok for wealthy people and visitors, pretty awful for ordinary people. I hear they are are fleeing to the likes of Devon.

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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chris123 hove actually 08 Sep 15 1.42pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Sep 2015 1.21pm Just saw the refugee camp report from Lesbos. Desperate conditions and desperate catch 22 situation. They need papers to move on but can't get them. 25,000 on that small island. Gonna be hellish once the bad weather arrives. Better than drowning.
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Quote Kermit8 at 08 Sep 2015 1.21pm

Just saw the refugee camp report from Lesbos. Desperate conditions and desperate catch 22 situation. They need papers to move on but can't get them. 25,000 on that small island. Gonna be hellish once the bad weather arrives.

Better than drowning.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Sep 15 1.46pm
Quote jcreedy at 08 Sep 2015 1.28pm Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Sep 2015 1.12pm Quote jcreedy at 08 Sep 2015 12.48pm They also came from the UK, and I know exactly what I'm talking about. Try checking out this article from 2013. I knew it would come back to bite us. You might also want to look at the map of where our overseas weapons contracts are, and then consider what correlation that has with the mass of people leaving Syria and Iran. [Link] The whole argument doesn't hold water. Whether arms are sold by us or not these immigrants were still going to be coming this way. The implication that civilians should be butchered by Assad rather than defend themselves is a terrible one. Also, like I said.....The vast amount of weapons didn't come from us. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 1.15pm) I'm not just talking about this though. I'm talking about all arms sales across the world. All it does is create death and sadness. I might be a complete fantastist, but it makes me incredibly frustrated to know that weapons sold by the UK to Israel may have been used to target Gaza. The lack of long-term thought is staggering. Would The CIA have armed the Taliban back in the 80's if they knew what they know now? Of course they wouldn't. Edited by jcreedy (08 Sep 2015 1.29pm) They didn't back the Taliban, as the Taliban weren't actually directly active in Afghanistan until after the end of the Soviet-Afghan War. They weren't a group or organization prior to 1994, and formed as a result of the Afghan civil war, where they rose to prominence. Even Al-Qaeda's role in the Soviet-Afghanistan war was limited really to logistical and financial support, as well as maintaining the foreign Jihadists and formed pretty much in tail end of the war (having been a loose confederation of individuals), their first camps were set up in 1987. Its a bit of a misnomer of convenience the idea that the CIA and US supported and equipped Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. After the war was over, some of that equipment and cash ended up in Taliban and Al-Qaeda hands, but it wasn't ever given to them. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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They also came from the UK, and I know exactly what I'm talking about. Try checking out this article from 2013. I knew it would come back to bite us.

You might also want to look at the map of where our overseas weapons contracts are, and then consider what correlation that has with the mass of people leaving Syria and Iran.

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The whole argument doesn't hold water.

Whether arms are sold by us or not these immigrants were still going to be coming this way.

The implication that civilians should be butchered by Assad rather than defend themselves is a terrible one.

Also, like I said.....The vast amount of weapons didn't come from us.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 1.15pm)

I'm not just talking about this though. I'm talking about all arms sales across the world. All it does is create death and sadness. I might be a complete fantastist, but it makes me incredibly frustrated to know that weapons sold by the UK to Israel may have been used to target Gaza. The lack of long-term thought is staggering.

Would The CIA have armed the Taliban back in the 80's if they knew what they know now? Of course they wouldn't.

Edited by jcreedy (08 Sep 2015 1.29pm)

They didn't back the Taliban, as the Taliban weren't actually directly active in Afghanistan until after the end of the Soviet-Afghan War. They weren't a group or organization prior to 1994, and formed as a result of the Afghan civil war, where they rose to prominence.

Even Al-Qaeda's role in the Soviet-Afghanistan war was limited really to logistical and financial support, as well as maintaining the foreign Jihadists and formed pretty much in tail end of the war (having been a loose confederation of individuals), their first camps were set up in 1987.

Its a bit of a misnomer of convenience the idea that the CIA and US supported and equipped Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. After the war was over, some of that equipment and cash ended up in Taliban and Al-Qaeda hands, but it wasn't ever given to them.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jcreedy 08 Sep 15 1.46pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Sep 2015 1.40pm Quote jcreedy at 08 Sep 2015 1.33pm Quote serial thriller at 08 Sep 2015 9.18am 20 000 Syrian refugees...in 5 years. What a fcking joke. They'd be better buying a Euromillions ticket and hoping for the best rather than banking on us. And what about refugees from Libya, Somalia, Eritrea etc? Are they less important, or do they need to become more photographically tragic? What makes it worse is that when many of the children that are being taken in reach the age of 18, they can be sent back to wherever they came from, under current laws. Many Afghan children who claimed asylum in the 90's have been facing the same harrowing fate. That is mental and very cruel. So a five year old can be sent back to somewhere like Afghanistan when they are 18? They won't even speak the language. A foreign footballer can claim a UK passport if here for ten years yet a child who had been here for 13 can't? Sheer bloody nastiness. I don't know the technicalities of it, but it appears very cruel. [Link] Edited by jcreedy (08 Sep 2015 1.49pm) It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.* - John Bostock (Nov 2007)
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20 000 Syrian refugees...in 5 years.

What a f*cking joke. They'd be better buying a Euromillions ticket and hoping for the best rather than banking on us. And what about refugees from Libya, Somalia, Eritrea etc? Are they less important, or do they need to become more photographically tragic?

What makes it worse is that when many of the children that are being taken in reach the age of 18, they can be sent back to wherever they came from, under current laws. Many Afghan children who claimed asylum in the 90's have been facing the same harrowing fate.

That is mental and very cruel. So a five year old can be sent back to somewhere like Afghanistan when they are 18? They won't even speak the language.

A foreign footballer can claim a UK passport if here for ten years yet a child who had been here for 13 can't?

Sheer bloody nastiness.

I don't know the technicalities of it, but it appears very cruel.

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Edited by jcreedy (08 Sep 2015 1.49pm)

It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

- John Bostock (Nov 2007)

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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Sep 15 1.50pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 08 Sep 2015 1.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Sep 2015 1.30pm Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Sep 2015 1.00pm We have always had immigrants......At a reasonable level I think there is an element of truth in all that guff the politicians want us to believe about immigration being positive......They all say it like a mantra. When I say a reasonable level I mean immigration used as a tool to balance the economy........Though I hasten to add not as tool to drive down wages for several already low paid workforces. Our immigration level should definitely take account of our housing situation. As a country I truly feel we are sticking our collective heads in the sand over housing provision......We are widening the divide between people. Many who work just have no realistic chance of owning their home........The baby boomers had the cream of the chances and have screwed it all up for the next generations. But to go back to my original point, immigration can be positive if it is controlled and takes account of the host population instead of treating them like dumping grounds and culturally rapidly changing the nature of their living spaces......That's what 'freedom of movement' has given us. People talk about London as being a success story......But they ignore that many many people left London because of rapid change.....Many people whose families had lived there for many generations. reasonableness and the immigration debate aren't on the same page. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 1.01pm) London in now rated by respected institutions as the top triple A* city on the globe and the most dynamic followed in second by New York. Something has gone right there since we were kids. It's a lot more varied colourful and interesting and, unfortunately, expensive but it is truly an amazing metropolis. The people make it fascinating imo. Respected by whom? Might be ok for wealthy people and visitors, pretty awful for ordinary people. I hear they are are fleeing to the likes of Devon. My London friends are "ordinary people". They love the place. But I will tell them they are wrong and it is pretty awful for them. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Kermit8 at 08 Sep 2015 1.30pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Sep 2015 1.00pm

When I say a reasonable level I mean immigration used as a tool to balance the economy........Though I hasten to add not as tool to drive down wages for several already low paid workforces.

Our immigration level should definitely take account of our housing situation.

As a country I truly feel we are sticking our collective heads in the sand over housing provision......We are widening the divide between people.

Many who work just have no realistic chance of owning their home........The baby boomers had the cream of the chances and have screwed it all up for the next generations.

People talk about London as being a success story......But they ignore that many many people left London because of rapid change.....Many people whose families had lived there for many generations.

reasonableness and the immigration debate aren't on the same page.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 1.01pm)

London in now rated by respected institutions as the top triple A* city on the globe and the most dynamic followed in second by New York.

Respected by whom? Might be ok for wealthy people and visitors, pretty awful for ordinary people. I hear they are are fleeing to the likes of Devon.

My London friends are "ordinary people". They love the place. But I will tell them they are wrong and it is pretty awful for them.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 15 3.13pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 1.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Sep 2015 11.42am I'm not sure there are too many ideology politicians left these days. It's all about votes and career. Party politics is for students and the daft. Let no one be under any illusion.They want your vote and your compliance. Anyone who wants a better life has to get it for themselves. Such as by smuggling themselves into the UK? Well yes of course. It is in the end a matter of perspective. My fear for Britain is that this is the thin end of the wedge in the longer term. Borders must be defended if the idea of nations is to be sustained. I wish everyone else a better and more prosperous existence, but not at the expense of myself or my loved ones.
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I'm not sure there are too many ideology politicians left these days. It's all about votes and career.
Party politics is for students and the daft.

Let no one be under any illusion.They want your vote and your compliance. Anyone who wants a better life has to get it for themselves.

Such as by smuggling themselves into the UK?

Well yes of course.

It is in the end a matter of perspective.

My fear for Britain is that this is the thin end of the wedge in the longer term. Borders must be defended if the idea of nations is to be sustained.

I wish everyone else a better and more prosperous existence, but not at the expense of myself or my loved ones.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Sep 15 3.37pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Sep 2015 3.13pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 1.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Sep 2015 11.42am I'm not sure there are too many ideology politicians left these days. It's all about votes and career. Party politics is for students and the daft. Let no one be under any illusion.They want your vote and your compliance. Anyone who wants a better life has to get it for themselves. Such as by smuggling themselves into the UK? Well yes of course. It is in the end a matter of perspective. My fear for Britain is that this is the thin end of the wedge in the longer term. Borders must be defended if the idea of nations is to be sustained. I wish everyone else a better and more prosperous existence, but not at the expense of myself or my loved ones. Thing is though, Asylum and refugees aren't actually a problem in terms of migration. In most years they're around 5% of the migration into a country, and eclipsed by the number of British people leaving each year. Definitely sustainable What concerns me more is that people simply shift their arguments into more and more hypothetical and rhetorical based justifications. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Sep 2015 11.42am

I'm not sure there are too many ideology politicians left these days. It's all about votes and career.
Party politics is for students and the daft.

Let no one be under any illusion.They want your vote and your compliance. Anyone who wants a better life has to get it for themselves.

Such as by smuggling themselves into the UK?

Well yes of course.

It is in the end a matter of perspective.

My fear for Britain is that this is the thin end of the wedge in the longer term. Borders must be defended if the idea of nations is to be sustained.

I wish everyone else a better and more prosperous existence, but not at the expense of myself or my loved ones.

Thing is though, Asylum and refugees aren't actually a problem in terms of migration. In most years they're around 5% of the migration into a country, and eclipsed by the number of British people leaving each year. Definitely sustainable

What concerns me more is that people simply shift their arguments into more and more hypothetical and rhetorical based justifications.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Sep 15 3.43pm
Quote Kermit8 at 08 Sep 2015 1.50pm Quote leggedstruggle at 08 Sep 2015 1.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 08 Sep 2015 1.30pm Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Sep 2015 1.00pm We have always had immigrants......At a reasonable level I think there is an element of truth in all that guff the politicians want us to believe about immigration being positive......They all say it like a mantra. When I say a reasonable level I mean immigration used as a tool to balance the economy........Though I hasten to add not as tool to drive down wages for several already low paid workforces. Our immigration level should definitely take account of our housing situation. As a country I truly feel we are sticking our collective heads in the sand over housing provision......We are widening the divide between people. Many who work just have no realistic chance of owning their home........The baby boomers had the cream of the chances and have screwed it all up for the next generations. But to go back to my original point, immigration can be positive if it is controlled and takes account of the host population instead of treating them like dumping grounds and culturally rapidly changing the nature of their living spaces......That's what 'freedom of movement' has given us. People talk about London as being a success story......But they ignore that many many people left London because of rapid change.....Many people whose families had lived there for many generations. reasonableness and the immigration debate aren't on the same page. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 1.01pm) London in now rated by respected institutions as the top triple A* city on the globe and the most dynamic followed in second by New York. Something has gone right there since we were kids. It's a lot more varied colourful and interesting and, unfortunately, expensive but it is truly an amazing metropolis. The people make it fascinating imo. Respected by whom? Might be ok for wealthy people and visitors, pretty awful for ordinary people. I hear they are are fleeing to the likes of Devon. My London friends are "ordinary people". They love the place. But I will tell them they are wrong and it is pretty awful for them. Depends where you go in London. Some of its a sthole, other parts are ok and some parts are really nice. Certainly immigration is neither negative or positive, its both, there are pro's and cons, and even some of those pros and cons vary according to how immigration affects you. The truth is that if you live in a South London say Bermondsey estate or council block, then its probably a negative experience immigration and refugees, but then you're already in one of the most negative aspects of London life anyhow. Its just now you can blame the immigrants, rather than the Housing Crisis, prices in London etc. But in truth, even without the refugees, you're still in a sty place, that's always been sty. Places like Thorton Heath, Peckham haven't really been made worse by Immigration and Ayslum, they were always st. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Stirlingsays at 08 Sep 2015 1.00pm

When I say a reasonable level I mean immigration used as a tool to balance the economy........Though I hasten to add not as tool to drive down wages for several already low paid workforces.

Our immigration level should definitely take account of our housing situation.

As a country I truly feel we are sticking our collective heads in the sand over housing provision......We are widening the divide between people.

Many who work just have no realistic chance of owning their home........The baby boomers had the cream of the chances and have screwed it all up for the next generations.

People talk about London as being a success story......But they ignore that many many people left London because of rapid change.....Many people whose families had lived there for many generations.

reasonableness and the immigration debate aren't on the same page.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 1.01pm)

London in now rated by respected institutions as the top triple A* city on the globe and the most dynamic followed in second by New York.

Respected by whom? Might be ok for wealthy people and visitors, pretty awful for ordinary people. I hear they are are fleeing to the likes of Devon.

My London friends are "ordinary people". They love the place. But I will tell them they are wrong and it is pretty awful for them.

Depends where you go in London. Some of its a s**thole, other parts are ok and some parts are really nice.

Certainly immigration is neither negative or positive, its both, there are pro's and cons, and even some of those pros and cons vary according to how immigration affects you.

The truth is that if you live in a South London say Bermondsey estate or council block, then its probably a negative experience immigration and refugees, but then you're already in one of the most negative aspects of London life anyhow. Its just now you can blame the immigrants, rather than the Housing Crisis, prices in London etc.

But in truth, even without the refugees, you're still in a s**ty place, that's always been s**ty. Places like Thorton Heath, Peckham haven't really been made worse by Immigration and Ayslum, they were always s**t.

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Hrolf The Ganger 08 Sep 15 4.56pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 3.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Sep 2015 3.13pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 08 Sep 2015 1.00pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Sep 2015 11.42am I'm not sure there are too many ideology politicians left these days. It's all about votes and career. Party politics is for students and the daft. Let no one be under any illusion.They want your vote and your compliance. Anyone who wants a better life has to get it for themselves. Such as by smuggling themselves into the UK? Well yes of course. It is in the end a matter of perspective. My fear for Britain is that this is the thin end of the wedge in the longer term. Borders must be defended if the idea of nations is to be sustained. I wish everyone else a better and more prosperous existence, but not at the expense of myself or my loved ones. Thing is though, Asylum and refugees aren't actually a problem in terms of migration. In most years they're around 5% of the migration into a country, and eclipsed by the number of British people leaving each year. Definitely sustainable What concerns me more is that people simply shift their arguments into more and more hypothetical and rhetorical based justifications. All things are hypothetical until they happen. Oddly Jamie, I don't think you and I are too far apart on most things but this is one where your use of statistics is just not persuading me. I get what you are saying about net migration and the significance(or lack of it) of asylum seeker/refugees but they do contribute to the ever increasing population of Britain. Just out of interest, how large a population do you think Britain can support ? To quote the ONS, "Since 1964 the population of the UK has grown by over 10 million people (18.7%). About half of this growth has occurred since 2001". Does that not set a few alarm bells ringing ? Yes, a few asylum seekers wont break the bank but I'm not sure why you resist the bigger picture. The World population is increasing massively and that means that our rapidly increasing population is likely to grow at an ever increasing rate decade on decade. labeling migrants with different names will not alter that reality. I will be dead when all this comes to a head so it won't be my problem but to deny that we are heading for trouble down the line is optimistic to say the least. If you are happy to restrict this debate to the next decade or two then we can all relax.
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I'm not sure there are too many ideology politicians left these days. It's all about votes and career.
Party politics is for students and the daft.

Let no one be under any illusion.They want your vote and your compliance. Anyone who wants a better life has to get it for themselves.

Such as by smuggling themselves into the UK?

Well yes of course.

It is in the end a matter of perspective.

My fear for Britain is that this is the thin end of the wedge in the longer term. Borders must be defended if the idea of nations is to be sustained.

I wish everyone else a better and more prosperous existence, but not at the expense of myself or my loved ones.

What concerns me more is that people simply shift their arguments into more and more hypothetical and rhetorical based justifications.

All things are hypothetical until they happen.

Oddly Jamie, I don't think you and I are too far apart on most things but this is one where your use of statistics is just not persuading me.
I get what you are saying about net migration and the significance(or lack of it) of asylum seeker/refugees but they do contribute to the ever increasing population of Britain.
Just out of interest, how large a population do you think Britain can support ?

To quote the ONS, "Since 1964 the population of the UK has grown by over 10 million people (18.7%). About half of this growth has occurred since 2001".

Does that not set a few alarm bells ringing ?

Yes, a few asylum seekers wont break the bank but I'm not sure why you resist the bigger picture. The World population is increasing massively and that means that our rapidly increasing population is likely to grow at an ever increasing rate decade on decade. labeling migrants with different names will not alter that reality.
I will be dead when all this comes to a head so it won't be my problem but to deny that we are heading for trouble down the line is optimistic to say the least. If you are happy to restrict this debate to the next decade or two then we can all relax.

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elgrande bedford 08 Sep 15 6.07pm
With lots of videos doing the rounds..Fighting in Greece,supposedly refusing aid parcels because they have the Chritian red cross on them...And that we have all seen on the news,just how many of these "refugees" are Young fit and able men. Did IS not make a claim back in May that they were "going to flood Europe with fighters disguised as refugees". Not saying they have because who can prove it. But makes me wonder. And before the hand wringers jump on my back,I stress I do not mean the poor families with children. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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With lots of videos doing the rounds..Fighting in Greece,supposedly refusing aid parcels because they have the Chritian red cross on them...And that we have all seen on the news,just how many of these "refugees" are Young fit and able men.

Did IS not make a claim back in May that they were "going to flood Europe with fighters disguised as refugees".
Not saying they have because who can prove it.

But makes me wonder.
And before the hand wringers jump on my back,I stress I do not mean the poor families with children.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Stirlingsays 08 Sep 15 7.12pm
Quote elgrande at 08 Sep 2015 6.07pm With lots of videos doing the rounds..Fighting in Greece,supposedly refusing aid parcels because they have the Chritian red cross on them...And that we have all seen on the news,just how many of these "refugees" are Young fit and able men. Did IS not make a claim back in May that they were "going to flood Europe with fighters disguised as refugees". Not saying they have because who can prove it. But makes me wonder. And before the hand wringers jump on my back,I stress I do not mean the poor families with children. We have enough wannabe internal terrorists here though it's a no brainer that a small percentage of refugees with be IS or extremist sleepers or become them. That wouldn't stop me taking in asylum but it would mean that I only took people vouched for by organizations I trusted such as the Kurds or Chritstain/atheist groups. Any politician doing the open door policy thing such as Germany or Sweden are in my view literally significantly increasing the chance of attacks.....When it happens of course all this will be grossed over. If Germany takes in millions over the next few years.....ll I see in the future for Germany is massive cultural cohesion problems. Still, today's politicians will be long gone by then. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 7.13pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote elgrande at 08 Sep 2015 6.07pm

Did IS not make a claim back in May that they were "going to flood Europe with fighters disguised as refugees".
Not saying they have because who can prove it.

But makes me wonder.
And before the hand wringers jump on my back,I stress I do not mean the poor families with children.

We have enough wannabe internal terrorists here though it's a no brainer that a small percentage of refugees with be IS or extremist sleepers or become them.

That wouldn't stop me taking in asylum but it would mean that I only took people vouched for by organizations I trusted such as the Kurds or Chritstain/atheist groups.

Any politician doing the open door policy thing such as Germany or Sweden are in my view literally significantly increasing the chance of attacks.....When it happens of course all this will be grossed over.

If Germany takes in millions over the next few years.....ll I see in the future for Germany is massive cultural cohesion problems.

Still, today's politicians will be long gone by then.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Sep 2015 7.13pm)

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