In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Do you deny the English are an ethnic group?
Do you deny mass immigration has caused physical harm to the English? (https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/in_memoriam)
Do you deny that we have been subject to endless propaganda not to have children? [Link]
Do you deny that our children have been targeted en masse by racial attacks? [Link]

TBF this subject has been covered over and over again, but in this instance someone has to attempt to provide some balance to the self-indoctrinated, self-centred paranoia driven elements of that post.

Being liberal, conservative, left or right has nothing to do with it really. I don't claim to be any of those – self labelling is for chumps – your position should always be objective and open to change, challenge and evolve accordingly

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Oooh lazily constructed, partisan question time! What fun.

1 – Nope

2 – Nope, but posting a link to a set of people that total up to 0.0002% of the 'white british' ethnic population (2011 census) to try and support for a generalist argument against mass immigration is a bit weird.

Personally I would have posted something more balanced like this [Link]

And for the record, I'm all for immigration controls and properly enforced qualifications and limits. But they need to be enforced ethically as well as ruthlessly.

3 – I agree that environmentalists, and some of the left bang that drum. Everyone, endlessly? No. All articles from 'leftist' or 'rightist' media are effectively propaganda. And that's a guardian opinion piece, aimed at lefties. Is it government policy? No.

I'd be amazed if you weren't able to find an article saying the opposite from a prominent right leaning media outlet. So a bit of a silly one. I get that you're lazily using it as an excuse to make yet another generalist point (out of a targeted one, two so far...) about the left over dramatising the malaise of the world, climate change etc. in order to create a climate (pun) of fear of which will then prevent people having children.

Seems a bit overly complex for me as a strategy. It's also pretty well known that wealthy, developed nations tend to have less children, anyway. Maybe there's actually bad s*** happening in the world and technology is the one amplifying it and making it impossible to ignore or escape? Or maybe it's the lefty bogeymen again (clue – it's mainly tech).

Anyway, shock horror, other people are allowed to have partisan opinions just like you. If you'd posted a government statement, claim or campaign, then fair enough. But in this case that article is simply an opinion piece preaching to the converted.

4 – Define en masse – again, sensationalist. All white british children? No. Half of all white british children? no. 1/16th of all white british... I'd wager the percentage affected is similar to the above. Lets not exaggerate and claim it's the majority of the UK youth are affected here.

Is there a cultural issue amongst some ethnic groups when it comes to women and children due to oppressive, outdated, usually religiously driven dogma? Yep. Is that a problem? Yep. Is it a pandemic (pun) of rape and paedophila? No.

Are immigrants, adults and children, abused, exploited and attacked en masse? no. Are they in similar or larger numbers to those above? Yes.

Bonus – And finally, posting the description of what genocide means (thanks, I didn't know) does not act as a qualifier.

Here's a couple for you, though, just because:

Oversimplification
Simplification of something to such an extent that a distorted impression is given.

Sensationalist
A person who presents stories in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

What about the left's opinion on mass immigration, it will be to late if they change their mind and the damage is done.

Firstly, still waiting on a response to my first post.

In the meantime...

We do have the right. The clue is in the ‘we’. The right! Ha.

Plenty of people die avoidable deaths every day, and the figure will be far higher than the tiny sample size you’re using here to try and make the generalist all immigration is bad point. Again, I’m not in favour of mass immigration, but I’m also not in favour of poorly constructed, closed loop arguments.

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To reiterate, again, I’m not saying immigration doesn’t cause problems. I’m just questioning the importance you’re placing on the particular recycled examples you’re giving when there are far bigger, more fundamental issues at play. Plus, the attempt to tar all immigrants and, probably for you, 1st and second generation immigrants, as responsible for all petty, sexual and violent crimes in the UK is a bit reductive. And false. The ‘indiginous’ population are of course 100% prim, proper and ‘wouldn’t do that guv’.

Also, I live in central Croydon. You appear to live in West London, like me are a significantly higher rate taxpayer. In addition you send your kids to private school, and complain that because you use private healthcare and education you should get a rebate from the government. So who, exactly, lives in a ‘little white ethno state’ fantasy world again?

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Since when did objectivity and balanced reasoning become anything other than the only proper way to think? There is such a thing as rightist propaganda and indoctrination as well you know. It’s not exclusive to the left, as both ‘sides’ demonstrate admirably on here daily.

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Again, all wealthy and developed nations have issues with birth control, ageing populations and the need for immigration to prop up their economy. Even Japan is slowly weakening on that. So yeah, fine, we need to encourage more kids, but you can’t force people to do so. The situation is not exclusive to the UK - it’s a well established social problem that occurs and it’s not as simple as saying ‘have more kids’ to solve it. We also have a more sophisticated economy. You think those kids are going to grow up wanting to own newsagents, pick fruit and clean toilets? No. The last six months have proven that. It’s a complex socioeconomic outcome that is hard to solve. On that basis immigration is here to stay.

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My point was that there will be plenty of articles and papers out there about why having more kids is important, and the issues and potential solutions around solving the developed economy problem. Not that left and centre left institutions post articles about having less kids. That is obvious, and fine

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People are allowed to discuss it. If they weren’t, and it was punishable by death, then the curbs would not be being brought in. What’s not allowed is discussing it in a way that’s xenophobic, moronic and cliched. Which most on this site seem to do. Absolutely nothing wrong with saying you’re against mass immigration, just do some reading and lay your argument out properly with objective facts rather than just recycling the same old acerbic narrative. If I can do it, anyone can

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I never said it wasn’t happening. And the scale of it. I just don’t see it as big enough to warrant a lazy trope of ‘this is happening, therefore by extension all immigrants are bad, therefore mass immigration is bad’. There are plenty of other more relevant examples to draw on to make the anti immigration point.

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Yeah why not? The way you’re attempting to put other peoples points across as your own is mildly comedic

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Maybe you should step back and look at the subject of the argument - mass immigration (en masse) is the topic, not grooming. There’s a thread for that - and yes, you’d be right, it’s obviously an imported problem (well the scale of it anyway). However is it the sole, or even main reason that mass immigration is bad? No. ‘Indiginous whites’ do plenty of bad things, cumulatively, every day. Just because they’re not the same type of crime doesn’t mean they can’t be made part of a comparison.

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I am not simplifying. I am expanding - you’re the one focusing on tiny portions of what is a very broad and complex debate, which should be the focus of this thread.

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Oh certainly some of the subject matter is outrageous, but the way you’re conveying it is sensationalist.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (16 Oct 2020 11.55am)

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a deliberate planned colonisation is a War-Crime.

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