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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 20 Dec 20 8.03pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Pierre

Roy manages well considering what he has to work with at Palace, the quality, strength, depth & age of the squad compared with the top 6 teams in the premiership.
As others have already pointed out 3 games in six days also killed us!
Liverpool won't score 7 goals from 8 shots on target in many other games this season & didn't play nearly as well in the last 2 or 3 matches as they did yesterday.

As far as we are concerned lets just hope Roy & Ray can get the players heads up, some confidence restored and Palace hit the ground running on Boxing Day against Villa, at least Benteke will be back as a focal point up front.
I watched Man Utd v Leeds Utd today and although the score was 6-1 that could have been anything from 5-5 to 10-0.
Also I saw Harry Maguire jump with his arm across across Bamfords face, catch him in the eye with his finger and the referee totally ignore the whole thing as most others have always and currently do. As it wasn't his bent arm and using his elbow!

Yes indeed, I suppose we will have to just watch David Coote's decision after every similar incident and then go bonkers when he lets one slip.

Nice post.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 20 Dec 20 8.08pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I've had the Kouyate argument on another thread. That he was found wanting against the most potent attack in the Premier League shouldn't come as a surprise. I really don't think any combination of our centre backs would have stopped the rout such was the quality of Liverpool's finishing.

Quite how you can describe Roy as '' naive '' given the number of matches he has managed in at this level I don't get. As for yesterday's game management, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't ...at 0-3 down you can try to shut up shop and get criticised for that or keep trying to get back into the game and leave holes at the back...

Where did you hear the rumour of Roy offering to resign ?

Ultimately I think it was just one of those days when most of what was on target went in. Hard to take but we need to move on from it.

All very correct.

 

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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 20 Dec 20 8.13pm Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Ketteridge

There was a 6-0 at home first game of the season when Ray Wilkins went injured i think, but that was with Alan Smith

Nicknamed the crab and had to leave the field sideways in a straight line.

 


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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 20 Dec 20 9.21pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

It is a disgrace and a humiliation.

An ageing team just could not cope with a more vibrant energetic outfit.
I believe 15 players in our squad are either in their 30s, or will be 30 in the New Year and I have kept asserting that with the truncated pre-season and the succession of games in this unusual season we would pay the price.

Given the above, I am far from convinced that we will survive in the PL.

If you're referring to this season well we almost have half the points we need, but if you're referring to next season and beyond it all depends on two new additions in the mould of Eze, Riedewald and ferguson and considering we found these players shows we can do it.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 20 Dec 20 9.57pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

'I think we have a lot of experience in the group.' Perhaps Luka just means the team is too old.
Getting hammered at home is one thing but what I really can't abide is players commenting on it. It's inevitable that some clown will say something like: 'this can only make us stronger' or 'we can learn from this' or that statement of the bleeding obvious: 'we have to move on to the next game.' Just say nothing!. If a player or manager is contractually obliged to say something to 'Premier League Productions'or whateer it calls itself, say as few words as possible. As a society, we don't do concepts like 'shame' or 'guilt' any more and the players are more likely to be on the golf course than still in the changing room but can they seriously believe that they should draw their pay this week rather than, say, donate it to charity?
Even worse would be if someone were to say: 'well, look at Southampton. 0-9 to Leicester last season and look at them now.' Or: 'Well, Liverpool lost 7-2 to Villa'. in fact Luka has already said that.
To lose 0-7 at home when we've been seven consecutive seasons in the Premiership is much worse than getting stuffed 9-0 at their place in the late eighties.
The only good that can come from today's debacle is the acceptance that it is just a waste of time to play the likes of: McArthur, Ayew, Ward, Dann, Schlupp, Kouyate against any top six side.
All that matters is that this is NOT just regarded as 'one of those freak results that can happen during the Covid season.'For a group of highly paid professionals to lose 0-7 at a home is a disgrace. Will anyone at the club say as much?

It was an excellent display of clinical finishing and we showed an excellent display of not.

Edited by Tickled pink (20 Dec 2020 10.12pm)

 

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EddieMac Flag 20 Dec 20 10.10pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

It was an excellent display of clinical finishing, get over yourself and it.

I don’t always agree with you Tickled but I do with this. I couldn’t find a previous message to respond to you. Happy Xmas to yourself also.

 

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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 20 Dec 20 10.13pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

I don’t always agree with you Tickled but I do with this. I couldn’t find a previous message to respond to you. Happy Xmas to yourself also.

Thank you.

 

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 20 Dec 20 10.34pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Haven’t read the whole thread...

For what it’s worth I thought we were terrific first half, just lacked the final ball. Had Ayew squared to Zaha the dynamics of the game would have changed.

Second half I thought we gave up a bit. Tough to come out knowing the games over against probably the best team in the world.

Liverpool’s finishing was like something I’ve never seen before. So ruthless and Guaita had no chance with any. I thought we played far worse against Chelsea when they beat us 4-0.

I think it’s a case of applauding Liverpool rather than ripping into the Palace players. It was a strange game and our performance didn’t deserve a result like that. I guess a positive is that it was a game we expected to lose anyway.

Roy is still the man, we’re playing attractive football, we have some exciting young players in Eze and Reidewald, Benteke is back in the goals and we have 18 points from 14 games. It’s a gradual build and this is just a minor bump in the road. COYP

Edited by Goal Machine (20 Dec 2020 10.35pm)

 

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slubglurge Flag welling 21 Dec 20 9.57am Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

I think what we learned today that unless given maximum protection from 3 DMs then our defenders are hopeless. Clyne is a shadow of the player he was and not up to it and our ageing CBs must be the slowest in the Prem. PVA has a bit of pace but no brain, he's like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. Also our midfielders are very one paced. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we should have gone for Gallagher instead of Bats to put some energy into the team

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Dec 20 10.19am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by slubglurge

I think what we learned today that unless given maximum protection from 3 DMs then our defenders are hopeless. Clyne is a shadow of the player he was and not up to it and our ageing CBs must be the slowest in the Prem. PVA has a bit of pace but no brain, he's like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. Also our midfielders are very one paced. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we should have gone for Gallagher instead of Bats to put some energy into the team

I am broadly in agreement with these sentiments.
Ageing players past their best and a dearth of energy and mobility.

We have only played 14 games and the players are not going to get any younger nor be more mobile as the season progresses, besides players in the twilight of their careers are more susceptible to injury and can take longer to recover depending of course on the type of injury.

I have genuine concerns about how the season could progress but I accept that my 'Glumbucket' views are not shared by many.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 21 Dec 20 10.28am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by slubglurge

I think what we learned today that unless given maximum protection from 3 DMs then our defenders are hopeless. Clyne is a shadow of the player he was and not up to it and our ageing CBs must be the slowest in the Prem. PVA has a bit of pace but no brain, he's like the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz. Also our midfielders are very one paced. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we should have gone for Gallagher instead of Bats to put some energy into the team

Our defenders weren't hopeless against Spurs or West Ham. Far from it. Yes, Liverpool made them look that way but seriously, how often do you see that level of finishing even from a team that has one of the best forward lines in world football ?

We all know that the average age of the squad needs to be addressed. Especially in central defence. That's up to Parish and Freedman to sort out.

And indeed hindsight is a wonderful thing. I like the look of Gallagher too, and had we not been offered Bats, he would have been our player this season. And Bats doesn't look the player he was 2 seasons ago.

 


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Osvaldo Flag Epsom 21 Dec 20 11.27am Send a Private Message to Osvaldo Add Osvaldo as a friend

What did we learn - not a Premier side!
Have needed a half decent striker for 3 years!
Need a good solid CH. Tomkins, why not give him a run out? Was playing well until injured.Would like to see him and Sakho in central defence.
Guess now is the time to bring in a younger manager.
Roy (thank you) has done a reasonable job, but .........!!!
If Zaha goes, we are in big trouble!
The rest of the team needs freshening up, starting January 2021. Come on, let's be having you!!! Were we that bad for a 7-0 routing? Fulham got a draw!

 

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