All a bit trite isn't it?

How many people who know you 'across the board' have bad things to say about you Kermy?

People don't tend to get to know people they don't like.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Don't tell me what to do.

Real respect isn't being a sycophant either.

I liked Ali in my own way but also disapprove of a lot of his decisions and views, which is fine. I don't like the white washing BS that is being pushed.

The video I linked to pretty much seems up how I regard Ali. I'll link to it again.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

As quoted to Robert Hauser in his excellent biography, His Life and Times.

Muhammad Ali: "After Elijah died, his son Wallace took over as leader (of the Nation of Islam)....and Wallace taught us the true meaning of the Qur'an, He showed that color don't matter....And that sounded right to me so I followed Wallace.....I've changed what I believe and what I believe in now is true Islam".

So you want an apology as well? What good would it do? What's done is done.

Note: Copyright for the book was 1991 so the interview was conducted before that date, when Ali could still adequately represent his own views.

Edited by palace-metros (05 Jun 2016 8.32pm)

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

Well said and well balanced sir!

Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.

It's very difficult to get any verified comments on Ali having changed attitudes over race or race mixing.

What is certain when Ali was at the height and might of his mental powers......When Ali was the man you admired, he certainly held those views with no question.

Once Ali had stumbled into mental illness via Parkinson's who knows what he truly believed. He was surrounded by family and friends who very carefully handled his image. It's quite possible that if Ali were in total control of his mental faculties that he wouldn't have allowed it.

What is certain is that Ali never publicly renounced his previously publicly stated beliefs.....basically a black power separatists who never really accepted white people outside of a professional relationship.

Now I require no apology personally but I just note that people are treated very very differently depending upon who they are.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2016 12.10am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

'You talk censorship but are telling me how I can and cant reply'

Errr.....where did I say that?

You kept referring to 'ancient quotes' like what he said didn't matter and you like to rationalise them away due to the nature of the times.

Well, Ali's fights are 'ancient fights' yet those are the ones we admire. You can't be balanced and pick and choose what you wish to remember.

In fact most of what people liked about Ali was what he did in the sixties and seventies......In those times Ali made many racist statements.

What he said about mixed race children was pretty bad......Never mind eh....He inspired black people so that's all right.

Except he didn't inspire all black people at the time....Many didn't agree with him on lots of things....Skipping Vietham and the Nation of Islam.

You white-wash all you want. I prefer the reality and the balanced view of Ali. The good and the bad.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)