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matt_himself Matataland 01 Mar 16 10.36pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Bail them out. If it's ok for the banks... As usual it's Joe Public what suffers. You simply cannot be taken seriously if that is your economic philosophy.
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chris123 hove actually 01 Mar 16 10.39pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
11% of Greece's population live in material deprivation.
I guess that means no.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 16 10.40pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You simply cannot be taken seriously if that is your economic philosophy. And your philosophy is the suffering of millions.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 16 10.44pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
I guess that means no. As far as I understand, it's European banks.
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matt_himself Matataland 01 Mar 16 10.51pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
And your philosophy is the suffering of millions. No it's not. I have never advocated the suffering of millions. That's the lazy labelling you use to try and give yourself the moral high ground. It sums you up. You feel that only you and your sort have the ability to empathise with people. It's bulls***. I don't believe you actually care for people. All you want is power. It's sad, really.
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chris123 hove actually 01 Mar 16 10.53pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
As far as I understand, it's European banks. No, what remains after the write offs in 2012 and before is sovereign debt. Germany the most, then France, Italy and Spain. The rest is owed to the smaller nations in the eurozone and the IMF. The old bank creditors are Greek banks.
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matt_himself Matataland 01 Mar 16 11.06pm | |
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Originally posted by chris123
No, what remains after the write offs in 2012 and before is sovereign debt. Germany the most, then France, Italy and Spain. The rest is owed to the smaller nations in the eurozone and the IMF. The old bank creditors are Greek banks. The Greeks owe money to everyone. Banks, states, bond investors. They are like the arsehole at university who asked everyone to lend him a fiver. He fully knows that owing a fiver to an individual means nothing but the accumulative effect of owing a fiver to two hundred people means something.
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chris123 hove actually 01 Mar 16 11.16pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
The Greeks owe money to everyone. Banks, states, bond investors. They are like the arsehole at university who asked everyone to lend him a fiver. He fully knows that owing a fiver to an individual means nothing but the accumulative effect of owing a fiver to two hundred people means something. Most of it is sovereign.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 16 11.42pm | |
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Link doesn't work, I think the sweary filter got it!
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Mar 16 11.49pm | |
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Notwithstanding Greece's initial debts, the bailout has not given them the chance to claw their way back in anyway to benefit the citizens of the country. It's worth noting that Greece's predicament is more down to the IMF and OECD than the EU. In fact austerity measures as a tool for taking public assets and putting them into private ownership can be traced back to the Bretton Woods conference in July 1944.
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robdave2k 02 Mar 16 1.19am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Notwithstanding Greece's initial debts, the bailout has not given them the chance to claw their way back in anyway to benefit the citizens of the country. It's worth noting that Greece's predicament is more down to the IMF and OECD than the EU. In fact austerity measures as a tool for taking public assets and putting them into private ownership can be traced back to the Bretton Woods conference in July 1944.
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robdave2k 02 Mar 16 1.31am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
And your philosophy is the suffering of millions. I'm sure a post on a football message board will help keep the Greek's warm at night. Let's be honest, you post this crap here and call people out all the time as it makes you feel intelligent. You are as guilty as anyone of projecting your agenda and sometimes less is so very much more. It's like those charity collectors you get in the doorways of supermarkets, everyone's cause is the most important. The fact is, and I don't really want to break this to you, is that life isn't fair and people are allowed to make up their own minds. That's democracy. Oit if interest how much of your pension/pay rise would you be willing to give up to help, as you seem perfectly happy to throw everyone in the private sector to the wolves to show how righteous you are. It really does get very boring after a while and any message you try and convey gets lost. Ps I think the Government are b******s crucifying small businesses at the moment and I wouldn't vote for Corbyn as he would lead us into the abyss. So I'm pretty much middle of the road, but give it a bloody rest will you.
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