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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Feb 16 9.12am |
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Originally posted by susmik
WELL SAID Becky a real common sense way to look at things and I am with you all the way on this one. We would be far better off outside than inside and we will have back our powers to decide who we allow in and what we allow to happen within our shores. The people who go on about trade and companies wishing us to stay in are ludicrous. The companies that are building up their companies here are not doing it because we are part of the union but because we are a trading nation that can be relied upon. Plus these companies like us!!! I'm in this "Camp" ! VOTE LEAVE
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| Hoof Hearted 20 Feb 16 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Crystal balls can evidently see into the future - I wholeheartedly agree with this comment. Around 3.5 million British jobs are directly linked to British membership of the European Union’s single market – 1 in 10 British jobsThe EU buys over 50 per cent of UK exports (54 per cent of goods, 40 per cent of services). Over 300,000 British companies and 74 per cent of British exporters operate in other EU markets. American and Asian EU firms build factories in Britain because it is in the single market. Your figures don't have as much flesh on the bones as becky's examples of where she has shown exactly how we will benefit by leaving the EU. ie Fishing and farming. Most EU countries will be keen to continue trading with us as we import more of their goods than we export to them.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Feb 16 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Your figures don't have as much flesh on the bones as becky's examples of where she has shown exactly how we will benefit by leaving the EU. ie Fishing and farming. Most EU countries will be keen to continue trading with us as we import more of their goods than we export to them. Exactly. This notion that we will become a pariah state needs to be nipped in the bud by someone with some political weight and charisma. The stay camp is as confused as the stay electorate. "Nobody will trade with us" - Really? They'll risk their own jobs to damage our employment? "We'll be like Norway" - So they WILL trade with us but we will have to pay for membership and have no say in future rules etc. (Pretty much as it is now with 28 opinions or technocrats nobody knows of "3 million jobs will be lost/ are at risk" - Will be lost is incorrect and 3 mil at risk is an exaggeration as well. They are linked with trade in Europe, not whether we are a full member of the EU. As long as the economic trade still applies and companies still get the skillset they came here for or stay here for in the 1st place, why leave? (Tariffs can be applied to imports as well as our exports. SE Asia so applying tariffs to SE Asian cars produced here is a little short-sighted, no?) A major attraction to business in the UK is the skilled workforce. Management may be useless when left to its own devices but provide the workforce with a task and it's delivered to a good standard. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Feb 2016 11.33am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Feb 16 10.45am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Your figures don't have as much flesh on the bones as becky's examples of where she has shown exactly how we will benefit by leaving the EU. ie Fishing and farming. Most EU countries will be keen to continue trading with us as we import more of their goods than we export to them. We're going to see plenty of small and medium sized businesses that are going to sound enthusiastic about less red tape in European markets and the government opening up other worldwide markets. I'm getting more and more frustrated with parliaments and mainly Labour's fascination with big business anyway. It's an easy solution. They'll do all the work and recruit a few employees on tosh wages and after costs have been accounted for, avoid paying taxes. The economy needs addressing long-term so when is it ever going to be tackled? It needs a few tweaks and more focus on smaller employers and focus on exports is a positive long-term expansion strategy.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Feb 16 10.52am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Exactly. This notion that we will become a pariah state needs to be nipped in the bud by someone with some political weight and charisma. The stay camp is as confused as the stay electorate. "Nobody will trade with us" - Really? They'll risk their own jobs to damage our employment? "We'll be like Norway" - So they WILL trade with us but we will have to pay for membership and have no say in future rules etc. (Pretty much as it is now with 28 opinions or technocrats nobody knows of "3 million jobs will be lost/ are at risk" - Will be lost is incorrect and 3 mil at risk is an exaggeration as well. They are linked with trade in Europe, not whether we are a full member of the EU. As long as the economic trade still applies and companies still get the skillset they came here for or stay here for in the 1st place, why leave? A major attraction to business in the UK is the skilled workforce. Management may be useless when left to its own devices but provide the workforce with a task and it's delivered to a good standard. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Feb 2016 10.47am) There will be a great deal of "Scaremongering" by the "In" camp with talk of "Leap into the unknown" and all that hogwash.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Feb 16 11.00am |
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Originally posted by Willo
There will be a great deal of "Scaremongering" by the "In" camp with talk of "Leap into the unknown" and all that hogwash. Chuka Umanna should spend a few weeks out of his politics only career in the offices and workshops of SME's to see the problems facing companies and EU countries protecting their own. After that a week in France to experience their mammoth work union book that over 50 employees all manner of ridiculous rules apply preventing their businesses expanding. Just churning out the same soundbytes is an insult and they need to be called up on it. He even stutters trotting out the same lines he's rehearsed Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Feb 2016 11.01am)
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| Hoof Hearted 20 Feb 16 11.01am | |
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As I noted earlier in the thread the BBC were trumpeting about Cameron's Deal this morning as though a new dawn had arisen. Sorry but Cameron's "achievements" don't amount to much at all if they were designed to curb immigration and get our sovereignty back. Farage has commented that Cameron has spent all this time and effort and for what? We are still an open door to potentially 600 million people if they decide they want to up sticks and come and live/work here. We are also still under the firm control of Brussels for all aspects of our daily life, so what has Cameron achieved? A few Mickey Mouse items, that can easily be reneged upon or amended at any point in the future anyway!
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 20 Feb 16 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Willo
There will be a great deal of "Scaremongering" by the "In" camp with talk of "Leap into the unknown" and all that hogwash. And your mate Cameron will be spouting most of the bulls***. Now you will know how the rest of us feel every time he opens his mouth.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Feb 16 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
As I noted earlier in the thread the BBC were trumpeting about Cameron's Deal this morning as though a new dawn had arisen. Sorry but Cameron's "achievements" don't amount to much at all if they were designed to curb immigration and get our sovereignty back. Farage has commented that Cameron has spent all this time and effort and for what? We are still an open door to potentially 600 million people if they decide they want to up sticks and come and live/work here. We are also still under the firm control of Brussels for all aspects of our daily life, so what has Cameron achieved? A few Mickey Mouse items, that can easily be reneged upon or amended at any point in the future anyway! One of them is never to be part of the Eurozone (being in the Euro currency). Absolutely no change there then. If DC was the electorate he wouldn't be impressed but he's having to keep un an act for several months. Will Boris step out and risk his political future for a possible leadership battle if DC has to step down or will he be as weak as all the rest?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Feb 16 11.09am |
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Originally posted by topcat
And your mate Cameron will be spouting most of the bulls***. Now you will know how the rest of us feel every time he opens his mouth. Yeah he'll deserve an Oscar for what he knows is worthless. He knew he'd get not much and went for not a lot to get not a lot rather than go for what he'd never get and get nothing.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Feb 16 11.09am |
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Originally posted by topcat
And your mate Cameron will be spouting most of the bulls***. Now you will know how the rest of us feel every time he opens his mouth. It will be the "IN" campaign (Cross-Party) who will be putting their case which I do NOT support and I will be actively campaigning for the "LEAVE" camp.
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| Hoof Hearted 20 Feb 16 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
One of them is never to be part of the Eurozone (being in the Euro currency). Absolutely no change there then. If DC was the electorate he wouldn't be impressed but he's having to keep un an act for several months. Will Boris step out and risk his political future for a possible leadership battle if DC has to step down or will he be as weak as all the rest? It needs some big hitters like Boris and Gove to nail their colours to the Leave campaign and momentum will begin to gather pace. Cameron will choose June 23rd as the day for voting because he knows the longer it goes on, the bigger the swing to leave the EU voters will become.
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