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Out of interest, do any of you fellas play guitar? If yes, what is your "axe" of choice? [Link] one pf mine Ollie's Dad,Ash.
It's a Danelectro U2 1st re-issue in green with cream binding, Pristine condition,plays lovely. Got it 2nd hand for £100! An absolute steal Hrolf. Ollie's Dad,Ash.
I have never played one. You obviously find it good to play. I have a Les Paul at home which is more than good enough for my domestic twiddling.
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Out of interest, do any of you fellas play guitar? If yes, what is your "axe" of choice? [Link] one pf mine Ollie's Dad,Ash.
It's a Danelectro U2 1st re-issue in green with cream binding, Pristine condition,plays lovely. Got it 2nd hand for £100! An absolute steal Hrolf. Ollie's Dad,Ash.
I have never played one. You obviously find it good to play. I have a Les Paul at home which is more than good enough for my domestic twiddling. Also got an Epiphone LP Standard in black,got it for 100 quid on Ebay,great for rocking out on! The Danelectro is more of a 50's retro sound. I'm also more of an indoors player but do frequent the numerous jam/open mic sessions in Maidstone.Ollie's Dad,Ash.
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Lots of good posts on here, and as Tom Waits puts it opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one! My guitars currently are an american produced Fender Telecaster that I have had for over 20 years and still sounds better each year, and a Jim Breedlove electro acoustic that my wife bought me for my 50th birthday. As far as session guitarists go, there have been so many over the years that are worthy of mention, and as Hrolf says, many remain relatively unknown, but some do achieve fame in their own bands while playing on other's records. Worthy of mention in my opinion include Steve Cropper, Larry Carlton, Jesse Ed Davis, Chris Spedding, Ry Cooder, Duane Allman, Glen Campbell, Steve Hunter, Norman Harris, Earl Slick, Jimmy Page, Jeff "Skunk" Baxter, Steve Luthaker, Roy Buchanan Melvin Raglin (Papa Was A Rollin Stone etc.) and mr motown, Joe Messina. But top man, again in my view, was probably James Burton. He played on so many sessions that shaped music as we know it. I was fortunate to see him play live a couple of times with Emmylou Harris. Tremendous technique, totally un-flashy, but exactly in keeping with what was required. If I wanted to see a showman, he wouldn't come anywhere near the top of my wishlist, but if I wanted to see an inspiring player, he'd be right up there. And he's still going strong!
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Out of interest, do any of you fellas play guitar? If yes, what is your "axe" of choice? [Link] one pf mine Ollie's Dad,Ash.
It's a Danelectro U2 1st re-issue in green with cream binding, Pristine condition,plays lovely. Got it 2nd hand for £100! An absolute steal Hrolf. Ollie's Dad,Ash.
I have never played one. You obviously find it good to play. I have a Les Paul at home which is more than good enough for my domestic twiddling. Also got an Epiphone LP Standard in black,got it for 100 quid on Ebay,great for rocking out on! The Danelectro is more of a 50's retro sound. I'm also more of an indoors player but do frequent the numerous jam/open mic sessions in Maidstone.Ollie's Dad,Ash. A good Epiphone is great value for money. You can't beat a Gibson but you can get most of the features for a fraction of the price.
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I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect! Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.
All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.
They weren't on stage? I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating? Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL Hrolf is right, session musicians often fill in and take lead in recording sessions, for any number of reasons and the process of recording can be very different than playing live. Also there is a financial element - The art of a good session musician is the ability to get it right first time or second time. Where as people I know who are in bands are terrible 'fiddlers' of music when they're recording their own stuff. From a record companies perspective you don't want a band to be 'fiddling around' with tracks when you're paying for studio time - and a good session musician will hear a song once, be able to play it back perfectly, whilst the writer is still mastering the song. Of course by the time they go on tour, you've probably mastered the song entirely anyhow. Hrolf is probably right, that session musicians often rank among the unknown heroes of music, along with producers, and their talent goes unnoticed - if not unrewarded (hell some professional musicians). Sometimes, they even form bands themselves (If I remember rightly Garbage were formed from session musicians and production staff members, and I think Led Zeppelin might have met that way - Page was a session musician firstly).
I was watching/listening to Led Zep when you weren't even a sperm in your daddy's ball sack! Stop talking down to me assuming I'm some sort of johnny come lately to the rock scene and need educating about rock history. I got my knowledge from experiencing these bands live from the early 70's not reading about them on Wiki or buying their back catalogue!
I know this stuff because some of my family are in the music industry and believe me, I have seen a lot of bands and some incredible guitar playing by people you have never heard of.
I know jamie cannot have heard Led Zeppelin live... he is not old enough - I know his rough age from information he has supplied in his multiple posts thus far. Stick to facts you know Hrolf rather than guessing about what bands I have seen or even heard of. You did a very similar thing recently in your spat with Seth on another thread and it gives a poor impression of your debating skills. I cannot prove one way or another your claims and take them at face value as it seems pointless to being making false claims to score points in an internet debate, so please afford me the same courtesy. Happy New Year! I'm not sure what you are arguing about here. I can't tell you exactly who played what on what but I can tell you with certainty that session musicians are used on albums regularly for the reasons given in a previous post. I can also tell you that the guitarist you hold so dear are technically way down the scale. I watched Jeff Beck last night on Jools Holland and he was great, I really enjoyed it. But I have a family member who could play that stuff asleep. It's just the way it is Hoof. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (01 Jan 2016 1.29pm)
I am also very aware of the need for session musicians on albums - you keep talking down to me, such is your ego. Your suggestion though that Eric Clapton or Jimmy Hendrix wouldn't or couldn't be able to play any guitar sequence of their songs live is a joke and used a session guitarist is unthinkable EXCEPT in the circumstances that they were so off their t1ts on smack they couldn't perform. I am pleased you have a family member so talented with the guitar, but it does not give you any more insight into what does and doesn't constitute a great guitarist - I saw Jeff Beck on NYE too - I've seen him many times live, but even he would acknowledge the talents of Hendrix. Lets leave it here.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Dec 2015 2.51pm
I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect! Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.
All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.
They weren't on stage? I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating? Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL Hrolf is right, session musicians often fill in and take lead in recording sessions, for any number of reasons and the process of recording can be very different than playing live. Also there is a financial element - The art of a good session musician is the ability to get it right first time or second time. Where as people I know who are in bands are terrible 'fiddlers' of music when they're recording their own stuff. From a record companies perspective you don't want a band to be 'fiddling around' with tracks when you're paying for studio time - and a good session musician will hear a song once, be able to play it back perfectly, whilst the writer is still mastering the song. Of course by the time they go on tour, you've probably mastered the song entirely anyhow. Hrolf is probably right, that session musicians often rank among the unknown heroes of music, along with producers, and their talent goes unnoticed - if not unrewarded (hell some professional musicians). Sometimes, they even form bands themselves (If I remember rightly Garbage were formed from session musicians and production staff members, and I think Led Zeppelin might have met that way - Page was a session musician firstly).
I was watching/listening to Led Zep when you weren't even a sperm in your daddy's ball sack! Stop talking down to me assuming I'm some sort of johnny come lately to the rock scene and need educating about rock history. I got my knowledge from experiencing these bands live from the early 70's not reading about them on Wiki or buying their back catalogue!
I know this stuff because some of my family are in the music industry and believe me, I have seen a lot of bands and some incredible guitar playing by people you have never heard of.
I know jamie cannot have heard Led Zeppelin live... he is not old enough - I know his rough age from information he has supplied in his multiple posts thus far. Stick to facts you know Hrolf rather than guessing about what bands I have seen or even heard of. You did a very similar thing recently in your spat with Seth on another thread and it gives a poor impression of your debating skills. I cannot prove one way or another your claims and take them at face value as it seems pointless to being making false claims to score points in an internet debate, so please afford me the same courtesy. Happy New Year! I'm not sure what you are arguing about here. I can't tell you exactly who played what on what but I can tell you with certainty that session musicians are used on albums regularly for the reasons given in a previous post. I can also tell you that the guitarist you hold so dear are technically way down the scale. I watched Jeff Beck last night on Jools Holland and he was great, I really enjoyed it. But I have a family member who could play that stuff asleep. It's just the way it is Hoof. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (01 Jan 2016 1.29pm)
I am also very aware of the need for session musicians on albums - you keep talking down to me, such is your ego. Your suggestion though that Eric Clapton or Jimmy Hendrix wouldn't or couldn't be able to play any guitar sequence of their songs live is a joke and used a session guitarist is unthinkable EXCEPT in the circumstances that they were so off their t1ts on smack they couldn't perform. I am pleased you have a family member so talented with the guitar, but it does not give you any more insight into what does and doesn't constitute a great guitarist - I saw Jeff Beck on NYE too - I've seen him many times live, but even he would acknowledge the talents of Hendrix. Lets leave it here.
You clearly don't understand the difference between appreciating guitar playing and understanding the technical aspects. Jeff Beck or Hendrix were/are good and enjoyable at what they do but what they do is not particularly difficult in relative terms. Rock is not at the pinnacle of guitar playing difficulty. If you had experience of the guitar world beyond attending a few gigs, you might understand this.
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I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect! Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.
All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.
They weren't on stage? I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating? Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL Hrolf is right, session musicians often fill in and take lead in recording sessions, for any number of reasons and the process of recording can be very different than playing live. Also there is a financial element - The art of a good session musician is the ability to get it right first time or second time. Where as people I know who are in bands are terrible 'fiddlers' of music when they're recording their own stuff. From a record companies perspective you don't want a band to be 'fiddling around' with tracks when you're paying for studio time - and a good session musician will hear a song once, be able to play it back perfectly, whilst the writer is still mastering the song. Of course by the time they go on tour, you've probably mastered the song entirely anyhow. Hrolf is probably right, that session musicians often rank among the unknown heroes of music, along with producers, and their talent goes unnoticed - if not unrewarded (hell some professional musicians). Sometimes, they even form bands themselves (If I remember rightly Garbage were formed from session musicians and production staff members, and I think Led Zeppelin might have met that way - Page was a session musician firstly).
I was watching/listening to Led Zep when you weren't even a sperm in your daddy's ball sack! Stop talking down to me assuming I'm some sort of johnny come lately to the rock scene and need educating about rock history. I got my knowledge from experiencing these bands live from the early 70's not reading about them on Wiki or buying their back catalogue!
True, provided you say them before 01/01/1971 - But I think they'd been around a few years before that, 68-69 or something. Tried their back catalogue and despite trying a few times, I just can't get into them. Great Guitar and Drums, but some terrible songs that sound like they're some kind of JRR Fan fiction but twice as long as Lord of the Rings, and I can imagine that live they were fully of really w***y guitar solos; that spawned a horror show of really nasty proggy bollocks about Elves and Fantasy realms. The kind of s**t that also ruined Hawkwind and Sabbath. And f**k you, I've spend the last three hours listening to Ched Adkins. F**k me that guy can play Edited by jamiemartin721 (02 Jan 2016 7.43pm)
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I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect! Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.
All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.
They weren't on stage? I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating? Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL Hrolf is right, session musicians often fill in and take lead in recording sessions, for any number of reasons and the process of recording can be very different than playing live. Also there is a financial element - The art of a good session musician is the ability to get it right first time or second time. Where as people I know who are in bands are terrible 'fiddlers' of music when they're recording their own stuff. From a record companies perspective you don't want a band to be 'fiddling around' with tracks when you're paying for studio time - and a good session musician will hear a song once, be able to play it back perfectly, whilst the writer is still mastering the song. Of course by the time they go on tour, you've probably mastered the song entirely anyhow. Hrolf is probably right, that session musicians often rank among the unknown heroes of music, along with producers, and their talent goes unnoticed - if not unrewarded (hell some professional musicians). Sometimes, they even form bands themselves (If I remember rightly Garbage were formed from session musicians and production staff members, and I think Led Zeppelin might have met that way - Page was a session musician firstly).
I was watching/listening to Led Zep when you weren't even a sperm in your daddy's ball sack! Stop talking down to me assuming I'm some sort of johnny come lately to the rock scene and need educating about rock history. I got my knowledge from experiencing these bands live from the early 70's not reading about them on Wiki or buying their back catalogue!
I know this stuff because some of my family are in the music industry and believe me, I have seen a lot of bands and some incredible guitar playing by people you have never heard of.
I know jamie cannot have heard Led Zeppelin live... he is not old enough - I know his rough age from information he has supplied in his multiple posts thus far. Stick to facts you know Hrolf rather than guessing about what bands I have seen or even heard of. You did a very similar thing recently in your spat with Seth on another thread and it gives a poor impression of your debating skills. I cannot prove one way or another your claims and take them at face value as it seems pointless to being making false claims to score points in an internet debate, so please afford me the same courtesy. Happy New Year! I'm not sure what you are arguing about here. I can't tell you exactly who played what on what but I can tell you with certainty that session musicians are used on albums regularly for the reasons given in a previous post. I can also tell you that the guitarist you hold so dear are technically way down the scale. I watched Jeff Beck last night on Jools Holland and he was great, I really enjoyed it. But I have a family member who could play that stuff asleep. It's just the way it is Hoof. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (01 Jan 2016 1.29pm)
I am also very aware of the need for session musicians on albums - you keep talking down to me, such is your ego. Your suggestion though that Eric Clapton or Jimmy Hendrix wouldn't or couldn't be able to play any guitar sequence of their songs live is a joke and used a session guitarist is unthinkable EXCEPT in the circumstances that they were so off their t1ts on smack they couldn't perform. I am pleased you have a family member so talented with the guitar, but it does not give you any more insight into what does and doesn't constitute a great guitarist - I saw Jeff Beck on NYE too - I've seen him many times live, but even he would acknowledge the talents of Hendrix. Lets leave it here.
You clearly don't understand the difference between appreciating guitar playing and understanding the technical aspects. Jeff Beck or Hendrix were/are good and enjoyable at what they do but what they do is not particularly difficult in relative terms. Rock is not at the pinnacle of guitar playing difficulty. If you had experience of the guitar world beyond attending a few gigs, you might understand this. In the spirit of not wanting to turn this into a rage against the poster thread, I will happily admit that this is entirely me. I can't play the guitar or any other musical instrument for toffee (as close as I ever came is writing song lyrics for friends bands and poetry).
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There are technically gifted players who play the same 100% of the time going through the same routine faultlessly then there are those who put their heart and soul into playing with real feeling albeit not as good as aforementioned guitarists and playing differently each performance with bum notes and incorrect riffs ,I know which I prefer. Hrolf, a Gibson would be truly wasted on me! Have played my pals "56 Gold Top" (about 3 grands worth) and it really is different class! We should start a guitar playing thread on here with pics n tips n stuff! [Link] Here's me a my local playing a Fender Stratocoustic Deluxe.another Ebay bargain.Lucky for you there's no audio.Ollie's Dad,Ash.
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There are technically gifted players who play the same 100% of the time going through the same routine faultlessly then there are those who put their heart and soul into playing with real feeling albeit not as good as aforementioned guitarists and playing differently each performance with bum notes and incorrect riffs ,I know which I prefer. Hrolf, a Gibson would be truly wasted on me! Have played my pals "56 Gold Top" (about 3 grands worth) and it really is different class! We should start a guitar playing thread on here with pics n tips n stuff! [Link] Here's me a my local playing a Fender Stratocoustic Deluxe.another Ebay bargain.Lucky for you there's no audio.Ollie's Dad,Ash. Well you can play with passion and play all the right notes but I get your drift. A Gibson is a splendid guitar and I wish my playing was as splendid. The internet is a good place to pick up tips and learn new bits so why not on here.
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I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect! Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.
All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.
They weren't on stage? I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating? Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL Hrolf is right, session musicians often fill in and take lead in recording sessions, for any number of reasons and the process of recording can be very different than playing live. Also there is a financial element - The art of a good session musician is the ability to get it right first time or second time. Where as people I know who are in bands are terrible 'fiddlers' of music when they're recording their own stuff. From a record companies perspective you don't want a band to be 'fiddling around' with tracks when you're paying for studio time - and a good session musician will hear a song once, be able to play it back perfectly, whilst the writer is still mastering the song. Of course by the time they go on tour, you've probably mastered the song entirely anyhow. Hrolf is probably right, that session musicians often rank among the unknown heroes of music, along with producers, and their talent goes unnoticed - if not unrewarded (hell some professional musicians). Sometimes, they even form bands themselves (If I remember rightly Garbage were formed from session musicians and production staff members, and I think Led Zeppelin might have met that way - Page was a session musician firstly).
I was watching/listening to Led Zep when you weren't even a sperm in your daddy's ball sack! Stop talking down to me assuming I'm some sort of johnny come lately to the rock scene and need educating about rock history. I got my knowledge from experiencing these bands live from the early 70's not reading about them on Wiki or buying their back catalogue!
I know this stuff because some of my family are in the music industry and believe me, I have seen a lot of bands and some incredible guitar playing by people you have never heard of.
I know jamie cannot have heard Led Zeppelin live... he is not old enough - I know his rough age from information he has supplied in his multiple posts thus far. Stick to facts you know Hrolf rather than guessing about what bands I have seen or even heard of. You did a very similar thing recently in your spat with Seth on another thread and it gives a poor impression of your debating skills. I cannot prove one way or another your claims and take them at face value as it seems pointless to being making false claims to score points in an internet debate, so please afford me the same courtesy. Happy New Year! I'm not sure what you are arguing about here. I can't tell you exactly who played what on what but I can tell you with certainty that session musicians are used on albums regularly for the reasons given in a previous post. I can also tell you that the guitarist you hold so dear are technically way down the scale. I watched Jeff Beck last night on Jools Holland and he was great, I really enjoyed it. But I have a family member who could play that stuff asleep. It's just the way it is Hoof. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (01 Jan 2016 1.29pm)
I am also very aware of the need for session musicians on albums - you keep talking down to me, such is your ego. Your suggestion though that Eric Clapton or Jimmy Hendrix wouldn't or couldn't be able to play any guitar sequence of their songs live is a joke and used a session guitarist is unthinkable EXCEPT in the circumstances that they were so off their t1ts on smack they couldn't perform. I am pleased you have a family member so talented with the guitar, but it does not give you any more insight into what does and doesn't constitute a great guitarist - I saw Jeff Beck on NYE too - I've seen him many times live, but even he would acknowledge the talents of Hendrix. Lets leave it here.
You clearly don't understand the difference between appreciating guitar playing and understanding the technical aspects. Jeff Beck or Hendrix were/are good and enjoyable at what they do but what they do is not particularly difficult in relative terms. Rock is not at the pinnacle of guitar playing difficulty. If you had experience of the guitar world beyond attending a few gigs, you might understand this. In the spirit of not wanting to turn this into a rage against the poster thread, I will happily admit that this is entirely me. I can't play the guitar or any other musical instrument for toffee (as close as I ever came is writing song lyrics for friends bands and poetry).
I appreciate any guitar playing that is better than mine, which means I appreciate a lot of guitar playing.
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I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar. A pink card for this JM721. too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect! Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.
All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.
They weren't on stage? I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating? Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL Hrolf is right, session musicians often fill in and take lead in recording sessions, for any number of reasons and the process of recording can be very different than playing live. Also there is a financial element - The art of a good session musician is the ability to get it right first time or second time. Where as people I know who are in bands are terrible 'fiddlers' of music when they're recording their own stuff. From a record companies perspective you don't want a band to be 'fiddling around' with tracks when you're paying for studio time - and a good session musician will hear a song once, be able to play it back perfectly, whilst the writer is still mastering the song. Of course by the time they go on tour, you've probably mastered the song entirely anyhow. Hrolf is probably right, that session musicians often rank among the unknown heroes of music, along with producers, and their talent goes unnoticed - if not unrewarded (hell some professional musicians). Sometimes, they even form bands themselves (If I remember rightly Garbage were formed from session musicians and production staff members, and I think Led Zeppelin might have met that way - Page was a session musician firstly).
I was watching/listening to Led Zep when you weren't even a sperm in your daddy's ball sack! Stop talking down to me assuming I'm some sort of johnny come lately to the rock scene and need educating about rock history. I got my knowledge from experiencing these bands live from the early 70's not reading about them on Wiki or buying their back catalogue!
I know this stuff because some of my family are in the music industry and believe me, I have seen a lot of bands and some incredible guitar playing by people you have never heard of.
I know jamie cannot have heard Led Zeppelin live... he is not old enough - I know his rough age from information he has supplied in his multiple posts thus far. Stick to facts you know Hrolf rather than guessing about what bands I have seen or even heard of. You did a very similar thing recently in your spat with Seth on another thread and it gives a poor impression of your debating skills. I cannot prove one way or another your claims and take them at face value as it seems pointless to being making false claims to score points in an internet debate, so please afford me the same courtesy. Happy New Year! I'm not sure what you are arguing about here. I can't tell you exactly who played what on what but I can tell you with certainty that session musicians are used on albums regularly for the reasons given in a previous post. I can also tell you that the guitarist you hold so dear are technically way down the scale. I watched Jeff Beck last night on Jools Holland and he was great, I really enjoyed it. But I have a family member who could play that stuff asleep. It's just the way it is Hoof. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (01 Jan 2016 1.29pm)
I am also very aware of the need for session musicians on albums - you keep talking down to me, such is your ego. Your suggestion though that Eric Clapton or Jimmy Hendrix wouldn't or couldn't be able to play any guitar sequence of their songs live is a joke and used a session guitarist is unthinkable EXCEPT in the circumstances that they were so off their t1ts on smack they couldn't perform. I am pleased you have a family member so talented with the guitar, but it does not give you any more insight into what does and doesn't constitute a great guitarist - I saw Jeff Beck on NYE too - I've seen him many times live, but even he would acknowledge the talents of Hendrix. Lets leave it here.
You clearly don't understand the difference between appreciating guitar playing and understanding the technical aspects. Jeff Beck or Hendrix were/are good and enjoyable at what they do but what they do is not particularly difficult in relative terms. Rock is not at the pinnacle of guitar playing difficulty. If you had experience of the guitar world beyond attending a few gigs, you might understand this. Yet again.... more guessing about my experience of the guitar world this time.......you are unbelievable! I've sung in rock bands and appreciate how difficult it is to play any instrument at even a basic level - I tried to play the guitar but due to a disease called Dupeytren's Contracture and Arthritis, my hands weren't up to the task. I'll leave this thread to you and your egotistical/confrontational style of posting. And besides I've made a New Year resolution to stop wasting my time trying to debate with idiots.
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