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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 23 Nov 15 4.36pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 4.17pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 4.04pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 3.28pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 23 Nov 2015 12.42pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 12.22pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 23 Nov 2015 11.42am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 11.32am

Quote Catfish at 23 Nov 2015 11.27am

Dontcha love stats.

If theer are 2,700,000 Muslims in England and Wales then the 11% who approve of action to fight against western interests is 297,000. It would be unreasonable to say that all of these were radical or dangerously radical. Let's say that just 0.5% of that sub-group have extreme views. That is only about 4000 lunatics - that's OK then.


Exactly..... 4000 FFS.

Just think of the carnage 40 could do, let alone 400 or 4000 as the figures suggest!

Scary.


But that's a completely fabricated number, so no, the figures don't suggest that at all.


I should have said as "your figures suggest" referring to Catfish' very modest assumptions (of 0.5% of the 11% of Muslims who approved of action to fight being dangerous) to arrive at that figure.

You obviously aren't worried by this possibility....

Okay, they might be "fabricated" figures but still scary to a lot of us!


That's also incorrect - the poll states that 11% of UK Muslims feel sympathetic towards those that want to fight against Western interest - it certainly does not state that they approve of action to fight.

That's an incredibly vague heading for a group of people - I am sympathetic towards those who have Western interests shoved down their throats, and think that is the root cause of a lot of the problems we are facing currently - it doesn't mean I approve of extremism, and it certainly doesn't make me a terrorist.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Nov 2015 12.42pm)

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Nov 2015 12.46pm)


It makes 11% of the Muslim population not singing from the same hymn sheet (if you'll excuse the pun) and more likely to be radicalised than the other 89% who are on message with the rest of the UK.

"Western interests shoved down their throats?"

No one begged this group to come and live here and compared to where they have come from we are pretty tolerant encouraging them to keep their faith, build mosques etc.

In pakistan the situation is pretty much be a Muslim or leave the country... have you seen any Cathedrals built there?

Didn't we occupy their countries for long periods of history, as somewhat less than integrated immigrants, given that most British Muslims come from pakistan, North Africa etc. It seems a bit 'out of order' to have a history of invading and occupying a third of the world, and having essentially 'told them how to live' and then get a bit shirty when people who come here aren't fawning with gratitude.

And we did kind of encourage a large number of people to come and live here in the 1960s, 70s and 80s as a direct policy of the UK. They're the sons and daughters of people most of them will have been born here, and probably have a rather similar romanticised view of the past.

Anyone so bitter about our colonial past should not be moving here. Sure we encouraged migrant workers but that would not be enough for me if I were that embittered. You can't come here for a better life and then bite the hand that feeds you.


I didn't and nor did anyone I know.

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 23 Nov 15 5.15pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Quote ghosteagle at 23 Nov 2015 3.47pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 23 Nov 2015 12.42pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 12.22pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 23 Nov 2015 11.42am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 11.32am

Quote Catfish at 23 Nov 2015 11.27am

Dontcha love stats.

If theer are 2,700,000 Muslims in England and Wales then the 11% who approve of action to fight against western interests is 297,000. It would be unreasonable to say that all of these were radical or dangerously radical. Let's say that just 0.5% of that sub-group have extreme views. That is only about 4000 lunatics - that's OK then.


Exactly..... 4000 FFS.

Just think of the carnage 40 could do, let alone 400 or 4000 as the figures suggest!

Scary.


But that's a completely fabricated number, so no, the figures don't suggest that at all.


I should have said as "your figures suggest" referring to Catfish' very modest assumptions (of 0.5% of the 11% of Muslims who approved of action to fight being dangerous) to arrive at that figure.

You obviously aren't worried by this possibility....

Okay, they might be "fabricated" figures but still scary to a lot of us!


That's also incorrect - the poll states that 11% of UK Muslims feel sympathetic towards those that want to fight against Western interest - it certainly does not state that they approve of action to fight.

That's an incredibly vague heading for a group of people - I am sympathetic towards those who have Western interests shoved down their throats, and think that is the root cause of a lot of the problems we are facing currently - it doesn't mean I approve of extremism, and it certainly doesn't make me a terrorist.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Nov 2015 12.42pm)

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Nov 2015 12.46pm)


Nail on head. Amusing how irate people can get about something so meaningless.


Are we talking about you or the stats ? I cant tell.

Edited by dannyh (23 Nov 2015 5.15pm)

 


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mcduh Flag 23 Nov 15 5.43pm Send a Private Message to mcduh Add mcduh as a friend

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 11.32am

Quote Catfish at 23 Nov 2015 11.27am

Dontcha love stats.

If theer are 2,700,000 Muslims in England and Wales then the 11% who approve of action to fight against western interests is 297,000. It would be unreasonable to say that all of these were radical or dangerously radical. Let's say that just 0.5% of that sub-group have extreme views. That is only about 4000 lunatics - that's OK then.


Exactly..... 4000 FFS.

Just think of the carnage 40 could do, let alone 400 or 4000 as the figures suggest!

Scary.

Can you noobz please understand that 8 non-UK citizen/residents could waltz into London by whatever means and do whatever they wanted? Giving every one of your vaguely Arabic looking neighbors the screwface is not going to prevent murderous sociopaths from taking a commercial plane from some training camp to Gatwick, meeting up at some barfy hotel in Swindon and going over the details of how to f!@# everything up.

 

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mcduh Flag 23 Nov 15 5.44pm Send a Private Message to mcduh Add mcduh as a friend

Quote serial thriller at 23 Nov 2015 12.18pm

I refuse to be concerned about terrorism until I am statistically more likely to be blown up than to be hit by a car. Atm, despite the media's best attempts, I'm not having any sleepless nights.


You just added yourself to the International Watchlist, "serial killer" whoever you are.

 

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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 23 Nov 15 7.08pm

Quote dannyh at 23 Nov 2015 11.42am

Thing is Hoof, I remember going to pubs in N.London in the early ninties to watch bands and get very drunk indeed, and their would be collection buckets handed round some of the unsavoury pubs collecting money for "the cause" which was just another way of saying the IRA.

Nobody did f*** all about that, never made the press, no one said anything about it really, in that area it was common practice.

It just makes me think to what level support for these ISIS wnakers is going on in Islamic strongholds like east and North London, and certain parts of North England (and I include Bedford in North England )

I just hope it's not as widespread and as casually accepted now, as it was back then.


I remember them collecting in the Prince of Denmark, Portland Rd every Sunday night. Such friendly boys - always a bright smile while they were planning to kill us.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Nov 15 9.52am

Quote mcduh at 23 Nov 2015 5.43pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 11.32am

Quote Catfish at 23 Nov 2015 11.27am

Dontcha love stats.

If theer are 2,700,000 Muslims in England and Wales then the 11% who approve of action to fight against western interests is 297,000. It would be unreasonable to say that all of these were radical or dangerously radical. Let's say that just 0.5% of that sub-group have extreme views. That is only about 4000 lunatics - that's OK then.


Exactly..... 4000 FFS.

Just think of the carnage 40 could do, let alone 400 or 4000 as the figures suggest!

Scary.

Can you noobz please understand that 8 non-UK citizen/residents could waltz into London by whatever means and do whatever they wanted? Giving every one of your vaguely Arabic looking neighbors the screwface is not going to prevent murderous sociopaths from taking a commercial plane from some training camp to Gatwick, meeting up at some barfy hotel in Swindon and going over the details of how to f!@# everything up.

Based on the structure of previous attacks in Europe, they're very likely to be UK citizens or residents. Its probably a major issue to focus on why that 11% feel the way they do, and where possible act to incorporate their 'views' and 'issues' into mainstream politics, so that they aren't drawn into increasing alienation of society and ultimately extremism.

Although arguably if their desire is to f**k everything up, its probably a fact that successive governments reaction to the threat of terrorism has done far more damage to the UK way of life than any terrorist could achieve.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Nov 15 9.58am

Quote mcduh at 23 Nov 2015 5.44pm

Quote serial thriller at 23 Nov 2015 12.18pm

I refuse to be concerned about terrorism until I am statistically more likely to be blown up than to be hit by a car. Atm, despite the media's best attempts, I'm not having any sleepless nights.


You just added yourself to the International Watchlist, "serial killer" whoever you are.

He does have a major point, fear of terrorism is one of the key factors of such acts. In reality the chances of being killed by terrorist actions are negligible in terms of threat, even compared to the risk of being murdered or a victim of a violent crime.

There isn't really anything, individually we can do, except maybe integrate ourselves into the Muslim sub community to some degree (improves our capacity for vigilance, Muslim friends might be less willing to go to the police with suspicions but they might be happy to share them with other less 'tied' friends).

That's if you actually want to do something productive rather than march around with the likes of the EDL / Britain First, making the problem worse.


 


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Hoof Hearted 24 Nov 15 10.45am

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 23 Nov 2015 3.53pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 3.28pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 23 Nov 2015 12.42pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 12.22pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 23 Nov 2015 11.42am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 11.32am

Quote Catfish at 23 Nov 2015 11.27am

Dontcha love stats.

If theer are 2,700,000 Muslims in England and Wales then the 11% who approve of action to fight against western interests is 297,000. It would be unreasonable to say that all of these were radical or dangerously radical. Let's say that just 0.5% of that sub-group have extreme views. That is only about 4000 lunatics - that's OK then.


Exactly..... 4000 FFS.

Just think of the carnage 40 could do, let alone 400 or 4000 as the figures suggest!

Scary.


But that's a completely fabricated number, so no, the figures don't suggest that at all.


I should have said as "your figures suggest" referring to Catfish' very modest assumptions (of 0.5% of the 11% of Muslims who approved of action to fight being dangerous) to arrive at that figure.

You obviously aren't worried by this possibility....

Okay, they might be "fabricated" figures but still scary to a lot of us!


That's also incorrect - the poll states that 11% of UK Muslims feel sympathetic towards those that want to fight against Western interest - it certainly does not state that they approve of action to fight.

That's an incredibly vague heading for a group of people - I am sympathetic towards those who have Western interests shoved down their throats, and think that is the root cause of a lot of the problems we are facing currently - it doesn't mean I approve of extremism, and it certainly doesn't make me a terrorist.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Nov 2015 12.42pm)

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (23 Nov 2015 12.46pm)


It makes 11% of the Muslim population not singing from the same hymn sheet (if you'll excuse the pun) and more likely to be radicalised than the other 89% who are on message with the rest of the UK.

"Western interests shoved down their throats?"

No one begged this group to come and live here and compared to where they have come from we are pretty tolerant encouraging them to keep their faith, build mosques etc.

In pakistan the situation is pretty much be a Muslim or leave the country... have you seen any Cathedrals built there?


So Christianity is in complete unison on all political/religious issues? Nonsense.

And how do you know the message of the rest of the UK? You're assuming that the rest of the UK agrees with your standpoint, which really couldn't be further from the truth. As I said, I sympathise with those in countries who have had their lives ruined by 'Western Interests', and I suspect many other non-muslims feel the same - holding that viewpoint does not make someone a terrorist.


On your second point - I would've thought it was quite clear that the 'Western Interests' point was referring to those in non-Westernized countries - you know, those countries we have invaded, bombed and generally ruined for our own personal gain.


Firstly... let me say that all religion is bollocks and the cause of most of the world's conflicts.

Christianity is as bad as most, but only Islam advocates killing non-believers.... so as such has upped the ante.

Secondly - no it wasn't clear..... the initial post I responded to was talking about the Muslim population in the UK.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 24 Nov 15 1.56pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

"At a meeting at Darul Uloom Islamic High School in Birmingham, the only female governor sat out of sight of the male governors in an adjacent room and could only communicate to her peers through a doorway."

Most religions are stupid, but Islam is fecked up the most. The way it treats it's females is disgraceful.

 

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Quote 7mins at 24 Nov 2015 1.56pm

"At a meeting at Darul Uloom Islamic High School in Birmingham, the only female governor sat out of sight of the male governors in an adjacent room and could only communicate to her peers through a doorway."

Most religions are stupid, but Islam is fecked up the most. The way it treats it's females is disgraceful.


Women died for the right to vote in this country, they died for equal rights, and still struggle today for equality in some sectors of the workforce, and yet these idiots want to take us back 150 years.

f*** them and f*** ISIS

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Quote dannyh at 24 Nov 2015 5.01pm


f*** them and f*** ISIS


This whole thread reminds me of the following clip from Half Baked.

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 24 Nov 15 8.41pm

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Quote dannyh at 24 Nov 2015 5.01pm


f*** them and f*** ISIS


This whole thread reminds me of the following clip from Half Baked.

[Link]


noobie

 


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