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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Oct 15 2.00pm
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Oct 15 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

Immigration up 20% since 2010.
National debt almost doubled since 2010.
Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed.
Anything happened about tax avoidance yet?
Housing and rent out of control.
Childrens services cut by 20%.

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Oct 15 11.30am
Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 19 Oct 15 11.30am

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Oct 15 3.01pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true. I am guessing you meant yes and NO.....? Surely if he is a known liar and untruths are his portfolio then it stands to reason most if not ALL of what he spouts is not the truth. As for tackling the salient points why should we believe ANYTHING he posts or sticks on twitter??? I think its best to just to ignore him and find better honest and accurate opinions online don't you??? Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm) Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Oct 15 3.01pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true.

I am guessing you meant yes and NO.....? Surely if he is a known liar and untruths are his portfolio then it stands to reason most if not ALL of what he spouts is not the truth. As for tackling the salient points why should we believe ANYTHING he posts or sticks on twitter??? I think its best to just to ignore him and find better honest and accurate opinions online don't you???

Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm)

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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npn Crowborough 19 Oct 15 3.41pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true. To be fair, he's about as unreputable a source as you can get (as a quick google will verify). There are certain people whose opinion is not worthy of perusal without significant supporting documentation. I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly wouldn't waste any of my time reading and counter arguing (and I'm sure people would do the same were the author Katie Hopkins or Richard Littlejohn). It's right up there with "this bloke down the pub said..."
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Crowborough 19 Oct 15 3.41pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

To be fair, he's about as unreputable a source as you can get (as a quick google will verify). There are certain people whose opinion is not worthy of perusal without significant supporting documentation. I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly wouldn't waste any of my time reading and counter arguing (and I'm sure people would do the same were the author Katie Hopkins or Richard Littlejohn). It's right up there with "this bloke down the pub said..."

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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Oct 15 3.58pm
Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true. I am guessing you meant yes and NO.....? Surely if he is a known liar and untruths are his portfolio then it stands to reason most if not ALL of what he spouts is not the truth. As for tackling the salient points why should we believe ANYTHING he posts or sticks on twitter??? I think its best to just to ignore him and find better honest and accurate opinions online don't you??? Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm) David Cameron deceived the people over his relationship with Andy Coulson and Rebecca Brookes, there for nothing he says can be relied up, and we must assume that the Conservative party is led by a liar and all he ever says are lies? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 19 Oct 15 3.58pm

Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm)

David Cameron deceived the people over his relationship with Andy Coulson and Rebecca Brookes, there for nothing he says can be relied up, and we must assume that the Conservative party is led by a liar and all he ever says are lies?

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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chris123 hove actually 19 Oct 15 4.15pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 3.58pm Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true. I am guessing you meant yes and NO.....? Surely if he is a known liar and untruths are his portfolio then it stands to reason most if not ALL of what he spouts is not the truth. As for tackling the salient points why should we believe ANYTHING he posts or sticks on twitter??? I think its best to just to ignore him and find better honest and accurate opinions online don't you??? Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm) David Cameron deceived the people over his relationship with Andy Coulson and Rebecca Brookes, there for nothing he says can be relied up, and we must assume that the Conservative party is led by a liar and all he ever says are lies? What lies with regard to Coulson and Brookes?
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hove actually 19 Oct 15 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 3.58pm

Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm)

What lies with regard to Coulson and Brookes?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Oct 15 4.33pm
Quote chris123 at 19 Oct 2015 4.15pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 3.58pm Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true. I am guessing you meant yes and NO.....? Surely if he is a known liar and untruths are his portfolio then it stands to reason most if not ALL of what he spouts is not the truth. As for tackling the salient points why should we believe ANYTHING he posts or sticks on twitter??? I think its best to just to ignore him and find better honest and accurate opinions online don't you??? Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm) David Cameron deceived the people over his relationship with Andy Coulson and Rebecca Brookes, there for nothing he says can be relied up, and we must assume that the Conservative party is led by a liar and all he ever says are lies? What lies with regard to Coulson and Brookes? If I remember rightly, that they were professional associates, and not actual friends. Turned out they were friends. I can't remember the exact deception over Coulson, there were I think a few (including him being given security classified documents, without ever being vetted - because he would have failed the vetting process). The point wasn't however so much, that, but you can't really just point at someone and say liar, and consider that as a blanket dismissal of everything they've ever said - you still need to engage with the statement, to establish the facts. Otherwise you end up without the facts, just assumptions and what you want to believe. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 19 Oct 15 4.33pm

Quote chris123 at 19 Oct 2015 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 3.58pm

Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm)

What lies with regard to Coulson and Brookes?

If I remember rightly, that they were professional associates, and not actual friends. Turned out they were friends. I can't remember the exact deception over Coulson, there were I think a few (including him being given security classified documents, without ever being vetted - because he would have failed the vetting process).

The point wasn't however so much, that, but you can't really just point at someone and say liar, and consider that as a blanket dismissal of everything they've ever said - you still need to engage with the statement, to establish the facts.

Otherwise you end up without the facts, just assumptions and what you want to believe.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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chris123 hove actually 19 Oct 15 4.47pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 4.33pm Quote chris123 at 19 Oct 2015 4.15pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 3.58pm Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true. I am guessing you meant yes and NO.....? Surely if he is a known liar and untruths are his portfolio then it stands to reason most if not ALL of what he spouts is not the truth. As for tackling the salient points why should we believe ANYTHING he posts or sticks on twitter??? I think its best to just to ignore him and find better honest and accurate opinions online don't you??? Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm) David Cameron deceived the people over his relationship with Andy Coulson and Rebecca Brookes, there for nothing he says can be relied up, and we must assume that the Conservative party is led by a liar and all he ever says are lies? What lies with regard to Coulson and Brookes? If I remember rightly, that they were professional associates, and not actual friends. Turned out they were friends. I can't remember the exact deception over Coulson, there were I think a few (including him being given security classified documents, without ever being vetted - because he would have failed the vetting process). The point wasn't however so much, that, but you can't really just point at someone and say liar, and consider that as a blanket dismissal of everything they've ever said - you still need to engage with the statement, to establish the facts. Otherwise you end up without the facts, just assumptions and what you want to believe. I always understood that the Brookes connection was through David Cameron's brother and Charlie Brookes. And that it was Andy Coulson who'd lied to Cameron.
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hove actually 19 Oct 15 4.47pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 4.33pm

Quote chris123 at 19 Oct 2015 4.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 3.58pm

Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm)

What lies with regard to Coulson and Brookes?

Otherwise you end up without the facts, just assumptions and what you want to believe.

I always understood that the Brookes connection was through David Cameron's brother and Charlie Brookes. And that it was Andy Coulson who'd lied to Cameron.

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Stuk Top half 19 Oct 15 4.52pm
Cameron and Brooks being friends was never covered up, and as Ian Hislop has pointed out on the last two HIGNFYs (with his tongue firmly in cheek), "she's innocent" Optimistic as ever
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Top half 19 Oct 15 4.52pm

Cameron and Brooks being friends was never covered up, and as Ian Hislop has pointed out on the last two HIGNFYs (with his tongue firmly in cheek), "she's innocent"

Optimistic as ever

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sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 19 Oct 15 5.01pm
I excitedly opened this thread hoping to read that it had died but sadly I was disappointed Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!
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Just outside Cape Town 19 Oct 15 5.01pm

I excitedly opened this thread hoping to read that it had died but sadly I was disappointed

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Oct 15 5.22pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 3.58pm Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? Enlighten us....... publish the full list! [Link] Happy to oblige. [Link] If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic. I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!! Well yes and know, he may be a deceptive little toe rag but that doesn't immediately follow that report was also untrue, or devoid of facts - just unreliable. Usually if you're going to discredit a statement, you also have to tackle the salient points. Just pointing out that someone is liar is itself a deflection, it doesn't follow that the reverse is immediately true. I am guessing you meant yes and NO.....? Surely if he is a known liar and untruths are his portfolio then it stands to reason most if not ALL of what he spouts is not the truth. As for tackling the salient points why should we believe ANYTHING he posts or sticks on twitter??? I think its best to just to ignore him and find better honest and accurate opinions online don't you??? Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm) David Cameron deceived the people over his relationship with Andy Coulson and Rebecca Brookes, there for nothing he says can be relied up, and we must assume that the Conservative party is led by a liar and all he ever says are lies? Why are you changing toe subject to suit yourself.......I posted a comment on the fact that this guy in question was a toe rag and a liar....why are you making a big big thing out of it and switching things to our prime minister.....On second thoughts do not answer that as I can guess you will go in for a long winded reply and try and baffle everyone with science as you always do.....Forget I mentioned the guys in the first place as I cannot be arsed to keep you occupied all day on your computer!!!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Oct 15 5.22pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 3.58pm

Quote susmik at 19 Oct 2015 3.01pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 19 Oct 2015 11.30am

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 2.00pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Oct 2015 1.48pm

Quote susmik at 18 Oct 2015 1.11pm

Quote nickgusset at 16 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Oct 2015 12.25pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

Enlighten us....... publish the full list!

[Link]

Happy to oblige.

[Link]

If you can't discredit the facts then discredit the person publishing them. Good tactic.

I did not write the article Kermit did I ? But was only highlighting the fact he is a known liar !!!!!

Edited by susmik (19 Oct 2015 3.02pm)

Why are you changing toe subject to suit yourself.......I posted a comment on the fact that this guy in question was a toe rag and a liar....why are you making a big big thing out of it and switching things to our prime minister.....On second thoughts do not answer that as I can guess you will go in for a long winded reply and try and baffle everyone with science as you always do.....Forget I mentioned the guys in the first place as I cannot be arsed to keep you occupied all day on your computer!!!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 20 Oct 15 9.21am
Quote stevegood at 16 Oct 2015 4.15pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm Immigration up 20% since 2010. National debt almost doubled since 2010. Police stations being closed down. Coppers axed. Anything happened about tax avoidance yet? Housing and rent out of control. Childrens services cut by 20%. This list goes on and on..... Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health. And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance. We are being had, aren't we? judging from your usual stance on these issues, surely you think the first three are jolly good things? I reckon you need treatment Delboy. The site owner said he's blocked a couple of hundred attempts at you creating accounts. Seriously mate, you need to get a grip. Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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The sun always shines in Catford 20 Oct 15 9.21am

Quote stevegood at 16 Oct 2015 4.15pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Oct 2015 12.20pm

This list goes on and on.....

Meanwhile, the tories have accepted £60mill linked to hedge funds and private health.

And, it appears, The UK Statistics Authority has repeatedly warned the Tory government to stop lying over immigration, debt, unemployment, benefit caps, NHS spending and A&E performance.

We are being had, aren't we?

judging from your usual stance on these issues, surely you think the first three are jolly good things?

I reckon you need treatment Delboy. The site owner said he's blocked a couple of hundred attempts at you creating accounts. Seriously mate, you need to get a grip.

Lend me a Tenor

31 May to 3 June 2017

John McIntosh Arts Centre
London Oratory School
SW6 1RX

with Superfly in the chorus
[Link]

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