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OldFella London 21 Oct 15 11.34pm
"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..
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OldFella

London 21 Oct 15 11.34pm

"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach"

George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman.

Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

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Sportyteacher London 22 Oct 15 6.13am
Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm "Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. He harboured a lifelong animosity toward schools and teachers, saying, "Schools and schoolmasters, as we have them today, are not popular as places of education and teachers, but rather prisons and turnkeys in which children are kept to prevent them disturbing and chaperoning their parents." (Wikipedia) Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today.
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Sportyteacher

London 22 Oct 15 6.13am

Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm

"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach"

George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman.

He harboured a lifelong animosity toward schools and teachers, saying, "Schools and schoolmasters, as we have them today, are not popular as places of education and teachers, but rather prisons and turnkeys in which children are kept to prevent them disturbing and chaperoning their parents."

(Wikipedia)

Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today.

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Sportyteacher London 22 Oct 15 6.17am
Quote Sportyteacher at 22 Oct 2015 6.13am Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm "Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. He harboured a lifelong animosity toward schools and teachers, saying, "Schools and schoolmasters, as we have them today, are not popular as places of education and teachers, but rather prisons and turnkeys in which children are kept to prevent them disturbing and chaperoning their parents." (Wikipedia) Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today. And before it is said, I know that Shaw has been dead for well over fifty years. Let us just say that he would probably rate schools as stifling institutions that bleed both staff and pupils dry of creativity; harmony and fulfilment for all. And where every child is a statistic rather than an individual with emotions and untapped full potential. Thank you Nicky Morgan!
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Sportyteacher

London 22 Oct 15 6.17am

Quote Sportyteacher at 22 Oct 2015 6.13am

Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm

"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach"

George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman.

(Wikipedia)

Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today.

And before it is said, I know that Shaw has been dead for well over fifty years. Let us just say that he would probably rate schools as stifling institutions that bleed both staff and pupils dry of creativity; harmony and fulfilment for all. And where every child is a statistic rather than an individual with emotions and untapped full potential. Thank you Nicky Morgan!

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chris123 hove actually 22 Oct 15 8.06am
Quote Sportyteacher at 22 Oct 2015 6.13am Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm "Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. He harboured a lifelong animosity toward schools and teachers, saying, "Schools and schoolmasters, as we have them today, are not popular as places of education and teachers, but rather prisons and turnkeys in which children are kept to prevent them disturbing and chaperoning their parents." (Wikipedia) Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today. Different eras - the pupil teacher dynamic when my kids were at school was unrecognisable from my experience 30 years earlier.
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Quote Sportyteacher at 22 Oct 2015 6.13am

Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm

"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach"

George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman.

(Wikipedia)

Shaw wouldn't have the first clue of teaching today.

Different eras - the pupil teacher dynamic when my kids were at school was unrecognisable from my experience 30 years earlier.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 23 Oct 15 12.15pm
Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm Of course none of those will be retiring will they? and: Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join My missus quit her job and is now 6 weeks into a conversion year for primary school teacher training. She was one of the few to get a salaried position (albeit a crap one for inner London). They have just found out that there will be no more salaried places at all after this year. Anyone wanting to train or change career to teach will have to bankroll themselves for a whole year. My girlfriend literally couldn't have made this career choice a year later and there must be loads in a similar boat who were thinking of going into teaching. That's shocking. You have a girlfriend ????? As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 23 Oct 15 12.15pm

Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm

Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm

Of course none of those will be retiring will they?

and:

Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join

My missus quit her job and is now 6 weeks into a conversion year for primary school teacher training. She was one of the few to get a salaried position (albeit a crap one for inner London). They have just found out that there will be no more salaried places at all after this year. Anyone wanting to train or change career to teach will have to bankroll themselves for a whole year. My girlfriend literally couldn't have made this career choice a year later and there must be loads in a similar boat who were thinking of going into teaching.

That's shocking.

You have a girlfriend ?????

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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matt_himself Matataland 23 Oct 15 12.35pm
Quote The Sash at 23 Oct 2015 12.15pm Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm Of course none of those will be retiring will they? and: Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join My missus quit her job and is now 6 weeks into a conversion year for primary school teacher training. She was one of the few to get a salaried position (albeit a crap one for inner London). They have just found out that there will be no more salaried places at all after this year. Anyone wanting to train or change career to teach will have to bankroll themselves for a whole year. My girlfriend literally couldn't have made this career choice a year later and there must be loads in a similar boat who were thinking of going into teaching. That's shocking. You have a girlfriend ????? I believe the parlance in his 'community' is 'beard'. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 23 Oct 15 12.35pm

Quote The Sash at 23 Oct 2015 12.15pm

Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm

Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm

Of course none of those will be retiring will they?

and:

Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join

That's shocking.

You have a girlfriend ?????

I believe the parlance in his 'community' is 'beard'.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Oct 15 12.45pm
Quote The Sash at 23 Oct 2015 12.15pm Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm Of course none of those will be retiring will they? and: Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join My missus quit her job and is now 6 weeks into a conversion year for primary school teacher training. She was one of the few to get a salaried position (albeit a crap one for inner London). They have just found out that there will be no more salaried places at all after this year. Anyone wanting to train or change career to teach will have to bankroll themselves for a whole year. My girlfriend literally couldn't have made this career choice a year later and there must be loads in a similar boat who were thinking of going into teaching. That's shocking. You have a girlfriend ????? that's one of the perks of the job [Link] With the teaching profession unable to tempt the raw talent into training, then somewhere along the line, the education system will need a re-think. Less-qualified teacher ? Seasonally-adjusted GCSE grades ? More Public schools for the rich and some 'academies' for the poor.? Look what Public School did for those T W A T S running the country (and by that , I mean ALL politicians of all parties). A bunch of divs who really don't give a fk, except about themselves. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Oct 2015 12.51pm) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Quote The Sash at 23 Oct 2015 12.15pm

Quote DanH at 15 Oct 2015 2.12pm

Quote Stuk at 15 Oct 2015 1.59pm

Of course none of those will be retiring will they?

and:

Every year, approximately 40,000 new teachers join

That's shocking.

You have a girlfriend ?????

that's one of the perks of the job

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With the teaching profession unable to tempt the raw talent into training, then somewhere along the line, the education system will need a re-think.

Less-qualified teacher ?
Seasonally-adjusted GCSE grades ?
More Public schools for the rich and some 'academies' for the poor.?

Look what Public School did for those T W A T S running the country (and by that , I mean ALL politicians of all parties). A bunch of divs who really don't give a fk, except about themselves.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Oct 2015 12.51pm)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Oct 15 12.52pm
Quote DanH at 21 Oct 2015 6.12pm Quote Stuk at 19 Oct 2015 3.19pm Quote DanH at 16 Oct 2015 5.18pm Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 5.12pm Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 4.56pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.03pm Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day. Exactly. And there is your answer Jamie. They're fcking idiots with no life. I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance. They certainly aren't idiots, and they have very good lives. Sometimes people's work/life balance is putting in the graft now, while enjoying holidays others could only dream of, and retiring at 50 odd with sod all debt. Or being mortgage free in your 30s/40s. Yep, still maintain that people that are that driven purely by money and work every hour God sends are fcking idiots. But each to their own - I'm clocking off now to go and play football with my mates and have a few beers after. Also those people 'dreaming' of twelve hour days, what kind of income are they earning? I don't see that many teachers will be doing those extra hours so they can retiring early, being mortgage free and having no debt. I'd imagine most teachers would be much happier if they were actually paid or otherwise rewarded for those 10-12 hour days. But they aren't. Its the norm, not the exception, it won't make you stand out or even put you on the promotion list. There is no return, no benefit and I'd imagine very little satisfaction from doing a few hours of Ofsted directed paperwork. They're doing those extra hours for free, and the return is fk all. I've been known to work 12-14 hour days when its been worth it to me (nature of the beast being self employed). But I'm fked if I'd do it for nada. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Oct 15 12.52pm

Quote DanH at 21 Oct 2015 6.12pm

Quote Stuk at 19 Oct 2015 3.19pm

Quote DanH at 16 Oct 2015 5.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 5.12pm

Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.03pm

Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm

Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well!

Welcome to reality.

I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed.

I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.

Exactly.

And there is your answer Jamie.

They're f*cking idiots with no life.

I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance.

They certainly aren't idiots, and they have very good lives.

Sometimes people's work/life balance is putting in the graft now, while enjoying holidays others could only dream of, and retiring at 50 odd with sod all debt. Or being mortgage free in your 30s/40s.

Yep, still maintain that people that are that driven purely by money and work every hour God sends are f*cking idiots.

But each to their own - I'm clocking off now to go and play football with my mates and have a few beers after.

Also those people 'dreaming' of twelve hour days, what kind of income are they earning? I don't see that many teachers will be doing those extra hours so they can retiring early, being mortgage free and having no debt.

I'd imagine most teachers would be much happier if they were actually paid or otherwise rewarded for those 10-12 hour days. But they aren't. Its the norm, not the exception, it won't make you stand out or even put you on the promotion list. There is no return, no benefit and I'd imagine very little satisfaction from doing a few hours of Ofsted directed paperwork.

They're doing those extra hours for free, and the return is f**k all. I've been known to work 12-14 hour days when its been worth it to me (nature of the beast being self employed). But I'm f**ked if I'd do it for nada.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Oct 15 12.59pm
Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm "Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. Of course those that can do were also taught. Which is the classic failure of the rather cute quip. Thing is, some people excel in the theory and instructional aspects of a subject, and typically specialize, where as those who instruct tend to have a broader understanding of the principles. Schools in this country have increasingly replaced education with quantitative measures and rewards. This had led to an education system that is geared towards being driven by overall exam results, rather than the education of each child. Subsequently, I tend to see people achieving very good results with little understanding of the underlying theory and principles, they just learned and were taught the necessary to get the results. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Oct 15 12.59pm

Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm

"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach"

George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman.

Of course those that can do were also taught. Which is the classic failure of the rather cute quip. Thing is, some people excel in the theory and instructional aspects of a subject, and typically specialize, where as those who instruct tend to have a broader understanding of the principles.

Schools in this country have increasingly replaced education with quantitative measures and rewards. This had led to an education system that is geared towards being driven by overall exam results, rather than the education of each child.

Subsequently, I tend to see people achieving very good results with little understanding of the underlying theory and principles, they just learned and were taught the necessary to get the results.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Sportyteacher London 24 Oct 15 2.08pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Oct 2015 12.59pm Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm "Those who can,do;those who can't,teach" George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman. Of course those that can do were also taught. Which is the classic failure of the rather cute quip. Thing is, some people excel in the theory and instructional aspects of a subject, and typically specialize, where as those who instruct tend to have a broader understanding of the principles. Schools in this country have increasingly replaced education with quantitative measures and rewards. This had led to an education system that is geared towards being driven by overall exam results, rather than the education of each child. Subsequently, I tend to see people achieving very good results with little understanding of the underlying theory and principles, they just learned and were taught the necessary to get the results. SPOT ON! Far too much teaching to the test these days. Preparing children for adulthood with real life skills has also been largely pushed back.
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Sportyteacher

London 24 Oct 15 2.08pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Oct 2015 12.59pm

Quote OldFella at 21 Oct 2015 11.34pm

"Those who can,do;those who can't,teach"

George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman.

Subsequently, I tend to see people achieving very good results with little understanding of the underlying theory and principles, they just learned and were taught the necessary to get the results.

SPOT ON! Far too much teaching to the test these days. Preparing children for adulthood with real life skills has also been largely pushed back.

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Stuk Top half 26 Oct 15 2.15pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Oct 2015 12.52pm Quote DanH at 21 Oct 2015 6.12pm Quote Stuk at 19 Oct 2015 3.19pm Quote DanH at 16 Oct 2015 5.18pm Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 5.12pm Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 4.56pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.03pm Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well! Welcome to reality. I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed. I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day. Exactly. And there is your answer Jamie. They're fcking idiots with no life. I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance. They certainly aren't idiots, and they have very good lives. Sometimes people's work/life balance is putting in the graft now, while enjoying holidays others could only dream of, and retiring at 50 odd with sod all debt. Or being mortgage free in your 30s/40s. Yep, still maintain that people that are that driven purely by money and work every hour God sends are fcking idiots. But each to their own - I'm clocking off now to go and play football with my mates and have a few beers after. Also those people 'dreaming' of twelve hour days, what kind of income are they earning? I don't see that many teachers will be doing those extra hours so they can retiring early, being mortgage free and having no debt. I'd imagine most teachers would be much happier if they were actually paid or otherwise rewarded for those 10-12 hour days. But they aren't. Its the norm, not the exception, it won't make you stand out or even put you on the promotion list. There is no return, no benefit and I'd imagine very little satisfaction from doing a few hours of Ofsted directed paperwork. They're doing those extra hours for free, and the return is fk all. I've been known to work 12-14 hour days when its been worth it to me (nature of the beast being self employed). But I'm fked if I'd do it for nada. They aren't dreaming of them, they're just getting on with it. Head teachers are extremely well paid, pretty sure they'd be mortgage free and able to retire early. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 26 Oct 15 2.15pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Oct 2015 12.52pm

Quote DanH at 21 Oct 2015 6.12pm

Quote Stuk at 19 Oct 2015 3.19pm

Quote DanH at 16 Oct 2015 5.18pm

Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 5.12pm

Quote Stuk at 16 Oct 2015 4.56pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Oct 2015 4.03pm

Quote matt_himself at 16 Oct 2015 3.43pm

Teachers having to work 12 hour days and weekends as well!

Welcome to reality.

I don't know anyone who works 12 hours a day and weekends, who isn't self employed.

I know plenty of employed city workers who dream of just a 12 hour day.

Exactly.

And there is your answer Jamie.

They're f*cking idiots with no life.

I despair of people in employment who spend their entire time working and have no work/life balance.

They certainly aren't idiots, and they have very good lives.

Sometimes people's work/life balance is putting in the graft now, while enjoying holidays others could only dream of, and retiring at 50 odd with sod all debt. Or being mortgage free in your 30s/40s.

Yep, still maintain that people that are that driven purely by money and work every hour God sends are f*cking idiots.

But each to their own - I'm clocking off now to go and play football with my mates and have a few beers after.

Also those people 'dreaming' of twelve hour days, what kind of income are they earning? I don't see that many teachers will be doing those extra hours so they can retiring early, being mortgage free and having no debt.

They aren't dreaming of them, they're just getting on with it.

Head teachers are extremely well paid, pretty sure they'd be mortgage free and able to retire early.

Optimistic as ever

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Lyons550 Shirley 26 Oct 15 2.49pm
Quote Mapletree at 17 Oct 2015 12.31pm Quote Kermit8 at 17 Oct 2015 11.00am Not many on here would last two days working in an inner city school unless it was as a janitor. When I was teaching in Crawley there was a schools inspector who wanted to remind himself what teaching was like. Basically he couldn't hack it, failed miserably. It's fricking tough. After teaching in Ashburton I had enough and got a proper job. When did you teach at Ashburton Mapletree? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 26 Oct 15 2.49pm

Quote Mapletree at 17 Oct 2015 12.31pm

Quote Kermit8 at 17 Oct 2015 11.00am

Not many on here would last two days working in an inner city school unless it was as a janitor.

When I was teaching in Crawley there was a schools inspector who wanted to remind himself what teaching was like. Basically he couldn't hack it, failed miserably. It's fricking tough. After teaching in Ashburton I had enough and got a proper job.

When did you teach at Ashburton Mapletree?

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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