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Stirlingsays 30 Aug 15 7.18am
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sickboy Deal or Croydon 30 Aug 15 9.50am
Quote ZIGnZAG at 29 Aug 2015 11.51pm Allowing/welcoming refugees/asylum seekers/immigrants into our or any other country isn't solving the problem. The problem is what's making these people leave there homes in the first place. Yet nobody cares enough to stand up and do anything about that. Offering people a place to run too is a short term fix for a few, and an easy way of pretending you care. If you truly cared you would stand up and make a change, not just a noise. How dare you come on here talking common sense. Begone you charlatan, and lets all get back to slagging each other off over our moral standpoints.
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Quote ZIGnZAG at 29 Aug 2015 11.51pm

Allowing/welcoming refugees/asylum seekers/immigrants into our or any other country isn't solving the problem.
The problem is what's making these people leave there homes in the first place.
Yet nobody cares enough to stand up and do anything about that.

Offering people a place to run too is a short term fix for a few, and an easy way of pretending you care.

If you truly cared you would stand up and make a change, not just a noise.

How dare you come on here talking common sense. Begone you charlatan, and lets all get back to slagging each other off over our moral standpoints.

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Hoof Hearted 30 Aug 15 10.01am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Aug 2015 10.14pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Aug 2015 10.11am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.38pm Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm) Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit Maybe so Tom but it is not entirely wide of the mark. That 1984 report by Michael Buerk about the famine and the reaction here by the public and media seems like another country. I don't know what has happened but there is a coldness about us now which our parents and grandparents didn't have even though they were generally poorer in quite a few ways. As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners. Kermit... that's easy to answer. We've all seen our charitable donations ending up buying Limo's, Private Airplanes, lavish Palaces for tin pot dictators that we are now too afraid to get rid of for fear of upsetting the liberal types. The answer to this problem is to invade Syria and batter ISIS, ISIL or whoever or whatever they are and return the country to normal. Your analogy with Tom about the Nazis in 1944 never came near to fruition because we fought evil and defeated it. It's pointless sending charitable aid and allowing these refugees/asylum seekers to settle in Europe as it does not address the underlying problems. All it does is cause unrest here and needless deaths as more and more people decide to take desperate measures, with criminals lining their pockets by pretending to help them. Rarely ends well getting caught up in someone else's civil war, especially where the alternatives in terms of support are the Al-Nasu Front, the Syrian Assad Loyalists with Hezbollah, Islamist groups and IS. In terms of logistics, it'd be difficult to support given a lack of suitable border allies in that region as well. I'm not saying that IS can be tolerated, but that militarily speaking any option for use of ground troops in Syria is fraught with a number of logistical problems, not least a suitable ally to support within that conflict that's likely to win. So........ do nothing then and continue to read reports of dead refugees fleeing Syria et al. Great.
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Hoof Hearted 30 Aug 15 10.01am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Aug 2015 10.14pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Aug 2015 10.11am

Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.54pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.38pm

Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm

Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere.

They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia.

Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm)

Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit

Maybe so Tom but it is not entirely wide of the mark. That 1984 report by Michael Buerk about the famine and the reaction here by the public and media seems like another country. I don't know what has happened but there is a coldness about us now which our parents and grandparents didn't have even though they were generally poorer in quite a few ways.

As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners.

Kermit... that's easy to answer.

We've all seen our charitable donations ending up buying Limo's, Private Airplanes, lavish Palaces for tin pot dictators that we are now too afraid to get rid of for fear of upsetting the liberal types.

The answer to this problem is to invade Syria and batter ISIS, ISIL or whoever or whatever they are and return the country to normal.

Your analogy with Tom about the Nazis in 1944 never came near to fruition because we fought evil and defeated it.

It's pointless sending charitable aid and allowing these refugees/asylum seekers to settle in Europe as it does not address the underlying problems.

All it does is cause unrest here and needless deaths as more and more people decide to take desperate measures, with criminals lining their pockets by pretending to help them.

Rarely ends well getting caught up in someone else's civil war, especially where the alternatives in terms of support are the Al-Nasu Front, the Syrian Assad Loyalists with Hezbollah, Islamist groups and IS. In terms of logistics, it'd be difficult to support given a lack of suitable border allies in that region as well.

I'm not saying that IS can be tolerated, but that militarily speaking any option for use of ground troops in Syria is fraught with a number of logistical problems, not least a suitable ally to support within that conflict that's likely to win.

So........ do nothing then and continue to read reports of dead refugees fleeing Syria et al.

Great.

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johnfirewall 30 Aug 15 10.10am
Quote Kermit8 at 29 Aug 2015 8.19pm Quote lankygit at 29 Aug 2015 8.02pm Quote nickgusset at 29 Aug 2015 7.29pm Quote reborn at 29 Aug 2015 6.53pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers. There are many descriptions that come to mind, heartless is the least of them. Rumour is they were on there way here, so their death probably pleases quite a few posters. You know what 70 odd human beings, who had already suffered more than anyone here can comprehend, have just died a terrible death. Why? Because they are desperate to live somewhere safe, a thing we take for granted. Yet many on here find it necessary to tell us how they don't care, how its their own fault. If youre that worried we are full I'd gladly swap some of you for these people. Your reaction says so much more about you than it does them. Sad, the deaths are tragic but the complete lack of humanity in some people is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves (you know who you are) Too right reborn, the comments on HOL this week make me despair. Spot on. Heartless doesn`t even begin to describe some posters on here. Similar lack of human compassion in the Shoreham thread. Edited by lankygit (29 Aug 2015 8.04pm) Wouldn't think twice about swapping a couple of million normal folk refugees from Syria and from other war-zones with the the coldly dis-compassionate and pretty nasty 'British' practically wishing death upon them. It would make our country a nicer place even if diluted. Travelling around Anatolia strangers on trains and buses sharing whatever food they had with others. Being invited to drink tea and chat in shops and houses and cordiality abounding. Those types. Here. Yes, please. Great sales pitch for the traffickers.
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30 Aug 15 10.10am

Quote Kermit8 at 29 Aug 2015 8.19pm

Quote lankygit at 29 Aug 2015 8.02pm

Quote nickgusset at 29 Aug 2015 7.29pm

Quote reborn at 29 Aug 2015 6.53pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 6.43pm

Just don't feel anything over this. Call me heartless, maybe I am, but there are enough people in the world with all kinds of troubles to feel sorry for a bunch of law breakers.

There are many descriptions that come to mind, heartless is the least of them.

Rumour is they were on there way here, so their death probably pleases quite a few posters.

You know what 70 odd human beings, who had already suffered more than anyone here can comprehend, have just died a terrible death. Why? Because they are desperate to live somewhere safe, a thing we take for granted.

Yet many on here find it necessary to tell us how they don't care, how its their own fault.

If youre that worried we are full I'd gladly swap some of you for these people. Your reaction says so much more about you than it does them.

Sad, the deaths are tragic but the complete lack of humanity in some people is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves (you know who you are)

Too right reborn, the comments on HOL this week make me despair.

Spot on.
Heartless doesn`t even begin to describe some posters on here.
Similar lack of human compassion in the Shoreham thread.

Edited by lankygit (29 Aug 2015 8.04pm)

Wouldn't think twice about swapping a couple of million normal folk refugees from Syria and from other war-zones with the the coldly dis-compassionate and pretty nasty 'British' practically wishing death upon them. It would make our country a nicer place even if diluted.

Travelling around Anatolia strangers on trains and buses sharing whatever food they had with others. Being invited to drink tea and chat in shops and houses and cordiality abounding. Those types. Here. Yes, please.

Great sales pitch for the traffickers.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Aug 15 2.20pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Aug 2015 10.01am Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Aug 2015 10.14pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Aug 2015 10.11am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.38pm Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm Just to add to the above by Catfish....A kiwi mate from years back travelled through Syria in 2002 and had nothing but good things to say about their kindness,etc. A terrible plight has been visited upon them for four years now and half the population, through no real choice of their own, have had to say goodbye to their Syrian lives and try to survive elsewhere. They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm) Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit Maybe so Tom but it is not entirely wide of the mark. That 1984 report by Michael Buerk about the famine and the reaction here by the public and media seems like another country. I don't know what has happened but there is a coldness about us now which our parents and grandparents didn't have even though they were generally poorer in quite a few ways. As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners. Kermit... that's easy to answer. We've all seen our charitable donations ending up buying Limo's, Private Airplanes, lavish Palaces for tin pot dictators that we are now too afraid to get rid of for fear of upsetting the liberal types. The answer to this problem is to invade Syria and batter ISIS, ISIL or whoever or whatever they are and return the country to normal. Your analogy with Tom about the Nazis in 1944 never came near to fruition because we fought evil and defeated it. It's pointless sending charitable aid and allowing these refugees/asylum seekers to settle in Europe as it does not address the underlying problems. All it does is cause unrest here and needless deaths as more and more people decide to take desperate measures, with criminals lining their pockets by pretending to help them. Rarely ends well getting caught up in someone else's civil war, especially where the alternatives in terms of support are the Al-Nasu Front, the Syrian Assad Loyalists with Hezbollah, Islamist groups and IS. In terms of logistics, it'd be difficult to support given a lack of suitable border allies in that region as well. I'm not saying that IS can be tolerated, but that militarily speaking any option for use of ground troops in Syria is fraught with a number of logistical problems, not least a suitable ally to support within that conflict that's likely to win. So........ do nothing then and continue to read reports of dead refugees fleeing Syria et al. Great. Not what I said though. The problem with a solution that involves invading Syria is your options in terms of resolving the civil war are Assad or IS both of which have a policy based around genocide (not to mention the escalation in conflict). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 30 Aug 15 2.20pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Aug 2015 10.01am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 29 Aug 2015 10.14pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Aug 2015 10.11am

Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.54pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.38pm

Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm

They should be applauded for their resilience not castigated and symbolically spat on by those who are lead by paranoia.

Edited by Kermit8 (28 Aug 2015 9.37pm)

Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit

As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners.

Kermit... that's easy to answer.

The answer to this problem is to invade Syria and batter ISIS, ISIL or whoever or whatever they are and return the country to normal.

Your analogy with Tom about the Nazis in 1944 never came near to fruition because we fought evil and defeated it.

It's pointless sending charitable aid and allowing these refugees/asylum seekers to settle in Europe as it does not address the underlying problems.

All it does is cause unrest here and needless deaths as more and more people decide to take desperate measures, with criminals lining their pockets by pretending to help them.

So........ do nothing then and continue to read reports of dead refugees fleeing Syria et al.

Great.

Not what I said though. The problem with a solution that involves invading Syria is your options in terms of resolving the civil war are Assad or IS both of which have a policy based around genocide (not to mention the escalation in conflict).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 30 Aug 15 3.36pm
Quote becky at 29 Aug 2015 11.29am Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.38pm Quote Kermit8 at 28 Aug 2015 9.36pm quote] Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit Maybe so Tom but it is not entirely wide of the mark. That 1984 report by Michael Buerk about the famine and the reaction here by the public and media seems like another country. I don't know what has happened but there is a coldness about us now which our parents and grandparents didn't have even though they were generally poorer in quite a few ways. As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners. Surprisingly (or not) this attitude seems to go hand-in-hand with the secularisation of the country....... for all that you may dismiss about 'God-botherers', compassion is a cornerstone of their beliefs. Possibly the dumbest thing I've seen on here. You win a potato. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Aug 2015 9.38pm

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Think you are the only one using these terms Kermit

Maybe so Tom but it is not entirely wide of the mark. That 1984 report by Michael Buerk about the famine and the reaction here by the public and media seems like another country. I don't know what has happened but there is a coldness about us now which our parents and grandparents didn't have even though they were generally poorer in quite a few ways.

As a country we were once Prem. Now League One. And it isn't the fault of the foreigners.

Surprisingly (or not) this attitude seems to go hand-in-hand with the secularisation of the country.......

for all that you may dismiss about 'God-botherers', compassion is a cornerstone of their beliefs.

Possibly the dumbest thing I've seen on here.
You win a potato.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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