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Quote TheJudge at 14 Jul 2015 12.30pm
The SNP have less supporters than UKIP and have no business having so many seats
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 11.41am
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2015 10.46pm
Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt. And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing. Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)
So is someone who puts his Jack Russell into a barn to bump off a few rats a 'fully paid up c*nt' as well? Depends, does he have about 30 terriers, and invite a group of mates to dress up like a bunch of t***s to run around the barn blowing trumpets, trampling everything in the barn to waste, before finally catching a single rat. Hunting is a 'questionable past time at best', but even most people who are into hunting regard Fox Hunting as deplorable, and pointless as a means of pest control. Exactly. It's 'entertainment' for people and I think as a nation we have already decided that it's not acceptable.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Jul 2015 11.11am
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2015 10.46pm
Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt. And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing. Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)
So is someone who puts his Jack Russell into a barn to bump off a few rats a 'fully paid up c*nt' as well?
If the person put the dog into the barn to derive pleasure only......... then yes. If doing it as an act of accepted pest control then no obviously.
I've got a terrier. Ive got rats. I dont put the terrier into the barn for some kind of perverse 'killing pleasure'. I do it to get rid of the effin' rats. So, as you've agreed, thats alright. However, a by-product of the pest control is that watching the terrier work/hunt is, frankly, enjoyable. Much like watching an Attenborough film is'enjoyable'. Its watching a specific animal do what it what it was born to do. Which is kill things. Lets face it, we all watch Attenborough films - even when they show jackals/lions/dingos/any-carnivore-you-like shredding some poor unfortunate creature. That doesnt mean we all get 'pleasure' from watching an animal getting bumped off. Its witnessing. There's no way Im going to put my terrier into the barn, and then in some bhuddist-trappist-monk-fashion close the door - because its 'wrong' to watch. If you want to come and rehome my rats, though, PM me
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 11.41am
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2015 10.46pm
Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt. And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing. Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)
So is someone who puts his Jack Russell into a barn to bump off a few rats a 'fully paid up c*nt' as well? Depends, does he have about 30 terriers, and invite a group of mates to dress up like a bunch of t***s to run around the barn blowing trumpets, trampling everything in the barn to waste, before finally catching a single rat. Hunting is a 'questionable past time at best', but even most people who are into hunting regard Fox Hunting as deplorable, and pointless as a means of pest control. I'd hang them all. Shows your political stance rather than any concern for the welfare of the animal being persecuted. If you're concerned about the welfare of the hunted animal Im not sure how being pursued by 30 terriers more 'unacceptable' than being pursued by a single terrier. What is the 'humane' number? Is two ok? three? From the rats POV the answer is probably 'neither'. And this obsession with the dress-code. Again, if you're concerned about the welfare of the persecuted animal what has 'dressing up lke a bunch of t**ats' got to do with anything? THe rat is hardly likely to mind, let alone notice. Talking of dressing up to kill things, 5 years ago I was lucky enough to spend time in a region of Papua New Guinea. I was invited to join a hunt (this was a village off the Kokoda trail) - they also 'dressed-up' for the hunt. It seems 'dressing-up' and 'hunting' are a long-practiced ritual. If you're from Papua New Guinea and put a load of feathers in your hair its probably OK, but if you're more Europe-based and choose something more formal then it does seem to get people frothing at the mouth.
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Quote bilbo at 15 Jul 2015 9.30pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 11.41am
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2015 10.46pm
Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt. And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing. Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)
So is someone who puts his Jack Russell into a barn to bump off a few rats a 'fully paid up c*nt' as well? Depends, does he have about 30 terriers, and invite a group of mates to dress up like a bunch of t***s to run around the barn blowing trumpets, trampling everything in the barn to waste, before finally catching a single rat. Hunting is a 'questionable past time at best', but even most people who are into hunting regard Fox Hunting as deplorable, and pointless as a means of pest control. Exactly. It's 'entertainment' for people and I think as a nation we have already decided that it's not acceptable. I'm not sure its not acceptable, but that because we as a society ban things that we find unacceptable that others do, its ok. In truth, the reality of fox hunting is no more cruel than say the meat industry, or other forms of hunting which are legal. I don't believe that its acceptable, but only believe it should be banned on the basis that things I find acceptable are banned or restricted because other people find them unacceptable. What's needed is somekind of animatronic fox.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 16 Jul 15 11.58am |
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Quote bilbo at 15 Jul 2015 9.30pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 11.41am
Quote beagle at 15 Jul 2015 10.41am
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2015 10.46pm
Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt. And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing. Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)
So is someone who puts his Jack Russell into a barn to bump off a few rats a 'fully paid up c*nt' as well? Depends, does he have about 30 terriers, and invite a group of mates to dress up like a bunch of t***s to run around the barn blowing trumpets, trampling everything in the barn to waste, before finally catching a single rat. Hunting is a 'questionable past time at best', but even most people who are into hunting regard Fox Hunting as deplorable, and pointless as a means of pest control. Exactly. It's 'entertainment' for people and I think as a nation we have already decided that it's not acceptable. There is an argument that actually as a nation we haven't decided. The problem there is a definite discord between the rural and urban communities of this country. The ban hasn't had the negative impact on the rural economy that a lot of people feared. That doesn't mean there is not still a lot of resentment primarily because the hunting bill is not just about fox hunting
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Quote beagle at 15 Jul 2015 11.31pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 15 Jul 2015 11.41am
Quote beagle at 15 Jul 2015 10.41am
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2015 10.46pm
Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt. And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing. Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)
So is someone who puts his Jack Russell into a barn to bump off a few rats a 'fully paid up c*nt' as well? Depends, does he have about 30 terriers, and invite a group of mates to dress up like a bunch of t***s to run around the barn blowing trumpets, trampling everything in the barn to waste, before finally catching a single rat. Hunting is a 'questionable past time at best', but even most people who are into hunting regard Fox Hunting as deplorable, and pointless as a means of pest control. I'd hang them all. Shows your political stance rather than any concern for the welfare of the animal being persecuted. If you're concerned about the welfare of the hunted animal Im not sure how being pursued by 30 terriers more 'unacceptable' than being pursued by a single terrier. What is the 'humane' number? Is two ok? three? From the rats POV the answer is probably 'neither'. And this obsession with the dress-code. Again, if you're concerned about the welfare of the persecuted animal what has 'dressing up lke a bunch of t**ats' got to do with anything? THe rat is hardly likely to mind, let alone notice. Talking of dressing up to kill things, 5 years ago I was lucky enough to spend time in a region of Papua New Guinea. I was invited to join a hunt (this was a village off the Kokoda trail) - they also 'dressed-up' for the hunt. It seems 'dressing-up' and 'hunting' are a long-practiced ritual. If you're from Papua New Guinea and put a load of feathers in your hair its probably OK, but if you're more Europe-based and choose something more formal then it does seem to get people frothing at the mouth. Mostly that was whimsy, and I identify as bias, having done some Hunt Sabbing in my youth (having grown up in the country). I generally question the ethical desire to obtain pleasure from pursuing any live animal for pleasure. I find eating meat ethically unsound (I do it, but I'm willing to admit I do it because I like the taste, and that's immoral). Hunting for pleasure, irrespective of how you do it, is inhumane and unethical, as its obtaining pleasure from the causing of unnecessary suffering in an 'lesser' creature. As a sport, it has much more in common with baiting, dog fighting etc than with hunting. And the attempts to justify it from the Countryside Alliance are simply bollocks from people who just can't stand to admit they enjoy chasing an animal with dogs, whilst pursuing on horses. Of course if you're from a Papua New Guinea tribe you're probably eating what you catch, which is a different question entirely.
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Jul 2015 11.58am
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2015 10.46pm
Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt. And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing. Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)
So is someone who puts his Jack Russell into a barn to bump off a few rats a 'fully paid up c*nt' as well? Depends, does he have about 30 terriers, and invite a group of mates to dress up like a bunch of t***s to run around the barn blowing trumpets, trampling everything in the barn to waste, before finally catching a single rat. Hunting is a 'questionable past time at best', but even most people who are into hunting regard Fox Hunting as deplorable, and pointless as a means of pest control. Exactly. It's 'entertainment' for people and I think as a nation we have already decided that it's not acceptable. There is an argument that actually as a nation we haven't decided. The problem there is a definite discord between the rural and urban communities of this country. The ban hasn't had the negative impact on the rural economy that a lot of people feared. That doesn't mean there is not still a lot of resentment primarily because the hunting bill is not just about fox hunting Its always had its basis in class war. The farmers and field workers against the landowners. The issue probably originally had more to do with trampling crops and the impact on the lives of the farm workers etc than love of foxes. Of course the same people who loved fox hunting were also among those who demonized things like dog fighting, baiting etc which were more working class blood sports, but fox hunting has largely remained protected until it was banned.
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Quote beagle at 15 Jul 2015 11.05pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 15 Jul 2015 11.11am
Quote beagle at 15 Jul 2015 10.41am
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Quote Cucking Funt at 14 Jul 2015 10.46pm
Irrespective of the blatant and cynical manoeuvring of the SNP (which it is), I'm firmly of the opinion that pursuing and setting 20-30 dogs onto one animal and actually deriving pleasure from it is the act of a gilt-edged, irredeemable, unremitting, fully paid-up c*nt. And not by any stretch of the imagination could you call me left wing. Edited by Cucking Funt (14 Jul 2015 10.47pm)
So is someone who puts his Jack Russell into a barn to bump off a few rats a 'fully paid up c*nt' as well?
If the person put the dog into the barn to derive pleasure only......... then yes. If doing it as an act of accepted pest control then no obviously.
I've got a terrier. Ive got rats. I dont put the terrier into the barn for some kind of perverse 'killing pleasure'. I do it to get rid of the effin' rats. So, as you've agreed, thats alright. However, a by-product of the pest control is that watching the terrier work/hunt is, frankly, enjoyable. Much like watching an Attenborough film is'enjoyable'. Its watching a specific animal do what it what it was born to do. Which is kill things. Lets face it, we all watch Attenborough films - even when they show jackals/lions/dingos/any-carnivore-you-like shredding some poor unfortunate creature. That doesnt mean we all get 'pleasure' from watching an animal getting bumped off. Its witnessing. There's no way Im going to put my terrier into the barn, and then in some bhuddist-trappist-monk-fashion close the door - because its 'wrong' to watch. If you want to come and rehome my rats, though, PM me Which all seems fair enough to me, you have a rat problem, your terrier culls the rats. Its enjoyable but you also have a rat problem. If you have a fox problem, you tend to go out and shoot the foxes. Its not like they're specifically targeting a problem (and indeed that fox they kill might very well be helping to keep rabbit populations under control). The real difference I guess, is that you're not setting out for pleasure, but that your pleasure comes from a necessity. When we had mice, we adopted two cats, watching them hunt was a fascinating experience. We no longer have a problem with mice. But I wouldn't go out get some mice and release them for my cats to play with.
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Quote beagle at 15 Jul 2015 11.31pm
If you're concerned about the welfare of the hunted animal Im not sure how being pursued by 30 terriers more 'unacceptable' than being pursued by a single terrier. What is the 'humane' number? Is two ok? three? From the rats POV the answer is probably 'neither'. The humane number is zero terriers. With one dog, I doubt the ability of the dog and rider to actually catch a fox, once it clears open ground, and then if cornered the fox is as likely as the dog to come off better in a fight. In a pack, dogs hunt by column, meaning that over time they exhaust their prey, and can even bring down prey that's as fast or even faster, than them, because they effectively switch places in the pack, allowing recouperation that the pursued cannot enjoy.
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Quote Willo at 14 Jul 2015 11.58am
Someone told me a few years ago that the BBS legend "Trolley" who evidently was a member of a hunt got involved in a protracted and very heated debate on the BBS about fox-hunting. His pro-hunting views met a lot of opposition !
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