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 ghosteagle  01 Jun 15 5.20pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 May 2015 10.30pm
Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils Please explain how teachers striking for better pay benefits the pupils. I don't actually have too big a problem with unionised professions going on strike. But I find it galling when they then pretend it's somehow for a 'greater good'. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. P.s. Do you have any figures for the number of teachers off with stress? Real ones, that is, not ones made up by unions to make the problem look worse than it is. Edited by Johnny Eagles (26 May 2015 10.33pm)
I can tell you that lots and lots of teachers have days off due to stress......I know I probably should have had last week off due to sickness but I pushed through it because it was year 13's last week. Plenty of teachers go off on stress.....Anyone in the profession knows that.....I don't someone producing stats to know what really happens. I have tried teaching thank you very much. I'm not saying teaching isn't a stressful job. It is. I wouldn't (didn't) want to do it. But lots of jobs are stressful. Yes, teaching is a tough job. Yes, teachers have the right to strike. We've done this debate a million times. It's just the way the teaching unions bang on like it's the toughest job in the world and they're all just poor little hard-done-by angels who are only "in it for the kids" that I find grating. They're not so noble that they're averse to spreading outright lies if it thinks it improves their negotiating hand.
really? Doesn't sound true. Sure that they would have to take it into account, its a sickness. If not then there's a few at my office who are having a laugh!
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 01 Jun 15 5.25pm |
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Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's!
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| Stuk Top half 01 Jun 15 5.28pm |
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Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.25pm
Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's! Stress isn't an illness, it's a state of being. Depression is an illness.
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| ghosteagle 01 Jun 15 5.28pm |
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Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.25pm
Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's!
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| ghosteagle 01 Jun 15 5.30pm |
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Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's! Stress isn't an illness, it's a state of being. Depression is an illness. No matter, appears that they have been signed off with stress.
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| npn Crowborough 01 Jun 15 5.30pm |
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Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.25pm
Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's!
But you could kiss goodbye to any hope of pay increases / promotion / good performance reviews. I know one guy who is a recovering alcoholic - good guy, and doing well - the company have been very supportive, but he will never move beyond his current position (as he "can't take the pressure" - of course they won't say it in those words, but the effect is the same). All I know is, as much as the law may be designed to protect you, if I were signed of with stress (I was offered time off by my doctor for depression some time ago) my career at this place would effectively be over Edited by npn (01 Jun 2015 5.32pm)
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 01 Jun 15 5.30pm |
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Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's! Stress isn't an illness, it's a state of being. Depression is an illness.
1) I've worked in the private sector all my life 2) I've been off sick with stress
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 01 Jun 15 5.33pm |
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Quote npn at 01 Jun 2015 5.30pm
Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.25pm
Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's!
But you could kiss goodbye to any hope of pay increases / promotion / good performance reviews. I know one guy who is a recovering alcoholic - good guy, and doing well - the company have been very supportive, but he will never move beyond his current position (as he "can't take the pressure" - of course they won't say it in those words, but the effect is the same).
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| ghosteagle 01 Jun 15 5.34pm |
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Quote npn at 01 Jun 2015 5.30pm
Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.25pm
Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's!
But you could kiss goodbye to any hope of pay increases / promotion / good performance reviews. I know one guy who is a recovering alcoholic - good guy, and doing well - the company have been very supportive, but he will never move beyond his current position (as he "can't take the pressure" - of course they won't say it in those words, but the effect is the same). All I know is, as much as the law may be designed to protect you, if I were signed of with stress (I was offered time off by my doctor for depression some time ago) my career at this place would effectively be over Edited by npn (01 Jun 2015 5.32pm) So your problem isn't with teachers then, its with the nasty company you work for. I feel for you.
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| Stuk Top half 01 Jun 15 5.35pm |
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Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.30pm
Quote Stuk at 01 Jun 2015 5.28pm
Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.25pm
Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's! Stress isn't an illness, it's a state of being. Depression is an illness.
1) I've worked in the private sector all my life 2) I've been off sick with stress
That's not opinion, that's from the HSE. Getting signed off, not having it. I'm not that heartless. Edited by Stuk (01 Jun 2015 5.36pm)
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 01 Jun 15 5.38pm |
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Quote Stuk at 01 Jun 2015 5.35pm
Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.30pm
Quote Stuk at 01 Jun 2015 5.28pm
Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.25pm
Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's! Stress isn't an illness, it's a state of being. Depression is an illness.
1) I've worked in the private sector all my life 2) I've been off sick with stress
That's not opinion, that's from the HSE.
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| Stuk Top half 01 Jun 15 5.44pm |
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Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.38pm
Quote Stuk at 01 Jun 2015 5.35pm
Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.30pm
Quote Stuk at 01 Jun 2015 5.28pm
Quote Superfly at 01 Jun 2015 5.25pm
Course it's not true! If any employer told you to man up when you've got any illness then they wouldn't be an employer for very long. We're not in the 70's! Stress isn't an illness, it's a state of being. Depression is an illness.
1) I've worked in the private sector all my life 2) I've been off sick with stress
That's not opinion, that's from the HSE.
It's not any of those though. "Wouldn't have a leg to stand on" where exactly? You can't be taken to an employment tribunal for telling someone "to man up". Unless they were gay/camp/female perhaps and went down the discrimination angle.
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