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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 24 8.34am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Case closed then. The other 4,600,000 rented properties in the country are obviously in exactly the same situation. Obviously not but the way landlords are portrayed as predators feeding on the rest of society needs to be challenged. There are many instances similar to my own experience where buildings are repurposed in ways that the public sector would never contemplate. This is simply people seeing a need and meeting it. The essence of entrepreneurial capitalism in a free society. I would have expected the majority of the posters here to approve.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 24 8.49am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Obviously not but the way landlords are portrayed as predictors feeding on the rest of society needs to be challenged. There are many instances similar to my own experience where buildings are repurposed in ways that the public sector would never contemplate. This is simply people seeing a need and meeting it. The essence of entrepreneurial capitalism in a free society. I would have expected the majority of the posters here to approve. Perhaps those posters have experienced the more unscrupulous side of the market.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 24 8.59am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No to the first, but that can be fixed with policy. I put my family and its future generations first. If people want to be with their families that badly, then they should stay where they are. Offering sanctuary is something that Western nations can no longer afford to do. An ever increasing number will want it, and we have to say no, or our societies will crumble. Exactly what policies do you think will fix the shortages in the NHS and over what time scale? For us to provide the number of Doctors and Nurses we need we must first ensure there are enough candidates seeking to enter the professions. There aren’t, so before we do that we must increase the birth rate, taking women out of the labour market to do so, thus making the problems worse in the short term. Then we need to build the training resources and train the trainers, which will take many years. Automation and AI will help reduce the numbers in future but exactly how and when remains unknown. We all put our families and future generations first! It’s how we do that which is where we differ. Universities need overseas income to keep their local fees at affordable levels. Additionally having overseas students study in the UK enables them to appreciate the value of the UK and builds valuable contacts for all our futures. Family member immigration happens for a variety of reasons. British citizens who meet and form partnerships with other nationals have to decide whether to move or for their partner to come here. Those here on working visas who then obtain citizenship have every right to bring their family here. Would you keep them separated or insist they return to their country of birth? Thus losing the skills we need? Offering sanctuary is both an international obligation and a moral imperative. It’s when a country becomes immoral that its society will begin to crumble.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 24 9.11am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Perhaps those posters have experienced the more unscrupulous side of the market. That there needs to be regulation and rigorous inspection is certainly true. In my own experience it isn’t, with often only minor issues emphasised by untrained and inexperienced inspectors. No doubt as a result of a lack of resource in local government and the knowledge that with such shortages as exist at the moment they cannot remove properties. As always the problem goes back to government and the only way to solve the lack of availability is to either build more or encourage more conversions. Probably both. Removing some of the planning hurdles would help a lot.
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Stirlingsays 29 Feb 24 9.17am | |
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georgenorman 29 Feb 24 9.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Exactly what policies do you think will fix the shortages in the NHS and over what time scale? For us to provide the number of Doctors and Nurses we need we must first ensure there are enough candidates seeking to enter the professions. There aren’t, so before we do that we must increase the birth rate, taking women out of the labour market to do so, thus making the problems worse in the short term. Then we need to build the training resources and train the trainers, which will take many years. Automation and AI will help reduce the numbers in future but exactly how and when remains unknown. We all put our families and future generations first! It’s how we do that which is where we differ. Universities need overseas income to keep their local fees at affordable levels. Additionally having overseas students study in the UK enables them to appreciate the value of the UK and builds valuable contacts for all our futures. Family member immigration happens for a variety of reasons. British citizens who meet and form partnerships with other nationals have to decide whether to move or for their partner to come here. Those here on working visas who then obtain citizenship have every right to bring their family here. Would you keep them separated or insist they return to their country of birth? Thus losing the skills we need? Offering sanctuary is both an international obligation and a moral imperative. It’s when a country becomes immoral that its society will begin to crumble. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou be
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Feb 24 9.45am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Exactly what policies do you think will fix the shortages in the NHS and over what time scale? For us to provide the number of Doctors and Nurses we need we must first ensure there are enough candidates seeking to enter the professions. There aren’t, so before we do that we must increase the birth rate, taking women out of the labour market to do so, thus making the problems worse in the short term. Then we need to build the training resources and train the trainers, which will take many years. Automation and AI will help reduce the numbers in future but exactly how and when remains unknown. We all put our families and future generations first! It’s how we do that which is where we differ. Universities need overseas income to keep their local fees at affordable levels. Additionally having overseas students study in the UK enables them to appreciate the value of the UK and builds valuable contacts for all our futures. Family member immigration happens for a variety of reasons. British citizens who meet and form partnerships with other nationals have to decide whether to move or for their partner to come here. Those here on working visas who then obtain citizenship have every right to bring their family here. Would you keep them separated or insist they return to their country of birth? Thus losing the skills we need? Offering sanctuary is both an international obligation and a moral imperative. It’s when a country becomes immoral that its society will begin to crumble. Politicians need to encourage more British people to work in the NHS. It's a process. Those working for the NHS represent a tiny percentage of migrants. The rest of your excuses are not credible. There are too many people coming here, it is that simple. Numbers needs to be reduced significantly, and our borders must be better controlled.
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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Feb 24 9.46am | |
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The groover Danbury 29 Feb 24 9.57am | |
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I believe it was tony B liar that said education education education. And then proceeded to let a generation do sociology degrees who regularly ask me do you want fries with that! And which are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard! The idea that one needs to increase population to serve the needs of the populace and increase profitability of corporates is wrong. In the Thatcher years Apprenticeships died out and importation of skills became the norm. Why train someone when you can get someone else to do it an steal them! We are still paying for that now. ALL political parties have in the past screwed up. Its the nature of the beast. The problem is that they never learn from past mistakes. I have no problem with filling vacant posts with skilled labour, if we have to. I do have a problem with allowing criminals and rapists into the country in whatever form they come over. We have enough of those of our own. Apprenticeships are now making a come back as are practical hands on training courses. But its going to take 5-10 years for that to have an effect. In terms of the NHS, allowing the whole of the EU access to the NHS and then not administering the cross charge effectively was a massive and costly error. That went on for decades. The NHS also has a treat first check if eligible for treatment second rule. Unlike a lot of other countries. Finally, and I've said this before, 50 years ago equipment was minimal. How we have equipment for everything and that needs replacing every 10 years.
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georgenorman 29 Feb 24 10.26am | |
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The canard that we must have immigration at the current levels to support the NHS is of course a lie by the left to deflect from the clear and obvious serious problems of mass immigration. The NHS employs around 1.7 million people, about 250,000 are from overseas. Immigration is running at around 1.2 million per year, vastly in excess of the numbers supposedly needed to keep the NHS running.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Feb 24 10.50am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The canard that we must have immigration at the current levels to support the NHS is of course a lie by the left to deflect from the clear and obvious serious problems of mass immigration. The NHS employs around 1.7 million people, about 250,000 are from overseas. Immigration is running at around 1.2 million per year, vastly in excess of the numbers supposedly needed to keep the NHS running. These are 2022 numbers, assumption would be most of the Asian category and British whose ethnicity is Asian. White minority groups? Are the trolleys being pushed by pikeys? No figures I can find for citizenship only ethnicity. Point is overwhelming majority of staff are white so not reliant on immigration Also higlights Govt obsession with race in data
out of NHS staff whose ethnicity was known, 74.3% were white and 25.7% were from ethnic minority groups (not including white minority groups) 68.7% of professionally qualified clinical staff were white, and were 15.9% were Asian ethnic minority staff made up 15.0% of people in managerial level positions, and 11.3% of senior managerial level positions ethnic minority staff made up 49.9% of hospital and community health services (HCHS) doctors Asian staff made up the highest percentage of HCHS doctors working in staff grade, specialty doctor, and associate specialist positions Edited by HKOwen (29 Feb 2024 10.51am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 24 11.25am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Politicians need to encourage more British people to work in the NHS. It's a process. Those working for the NHS represent a tiny percentage of migrants. The rest of your excuses are not credible. There are too many people coming here, it is that simple. Numbers needs to be reduced significantly, and our borders must be better controlled.
How, exactly, are you suggesting we encourage them? Double the salaries maybe? Cannot see you accepting the tax increases needed to fund that. What areas of other work are you planning to leave short to do this? For sure we need to attack the benefit culture and get everyone of working age into work, and not sitting around all day watching TV or in front of screens playing games or endlessly pontificating on internet forums. That though needs time, effort and determination. The numbers of overseas workers in the NHS is far from tiny. At the last count it was 265,000 or more than 17% of the total. Add to that the number of care workers outside the NHS. In London 60% of these are from overseas. I am not offering excuses. I am stating reasons why this situation exists and why there is no short-term alternative. All you are doing is repeating your standard mantra, which is unrealistic and inoperable. Moaning about anything without describing how a practical alternative can be established is of no use to anyone.
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