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georgenorman 13 Dec 23 7.23am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Cool, but just don't say you weren't warned Steely because I'm going to make a prediction here. It'll be Labour and not the Tories who slash your income.....they will get rid of the triple lock and will redistribute and rebalance funds to younger voters. As a generalization The Tory vote is a boomer one, the Labour vote is a young one. Just as long as you're cool with that that's fine. Steeleye is like one of the communist stooges who were still praising Stalin as the KGB shot them in the back of the head.
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georgenorman

13 Dec 23 7.23am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Cool, but just don't say you weren't warned Steely because I'm going to make a prediction here.

It'll be Labour and not the Tories who slash your income.....they will get rid of the triple lock and will redistribute and rebalance funds to younger voters.

As a generalization The Tory vote is a boomer one, the Labour vote is a young one.

Just as long as you're cool with that that's fine.

Steeleye is like one of the communist stooges who were still praising Stalin as the KGB shot them in the back of the head.

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Stirlingsays 13 Dec 23 7.43am
Originally posted by georgenorman Steeleye is like one of the communist stooges who were still praising Stalin as the KGB shot them in the back of the head. Emotionally and instinctively he's against us....maybe it's a form of self hatred or the old 'I didn't get along with my father' routine, who knows I wouldn't insult him to ask. However, while I wouldn't ask him to vote Tory I think it's fair to bring up the reality that if he thinks Labour will be an improvement I think he'll be mistaken. In many ways both parties are a uniparty but when it comes to taxation and who it hits.....you can see where Labour are headed, whether they are honest about it or not. And Starmer would say the moon is made of concentrated orange juice if he thought it would get him a large majority. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2023 7.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

13 Dec 23 7.43am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Steeleye is like one of the communist stooges who were still praising Stalin as the KGB shot them in the back of the head.

Emotionally and instinctively he's against us....maybe it's a form of self hatred or the old 'I didn't get along with my father' routine, who knows I wouldn't insult him to ask.

However, while I wouldn't ask him to vote Tory I think it's fair to bring up the reality that if he thinks Labour will be an improvement I think he'll be mistaken.

In many ways both parties are a uniparty but when it comes to taxation and who it hits.....you can see where Labour are headed, whether they are honest about it or not.

And Starmer would say the moon is made of concentrated orange juice if he thought it would get him a large majority.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2023 7.44am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Dec 23 8.26am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Get rid of the tories. And there it is. Your lifelong obsession. There is no stigma attached to getting help these days.
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13 Dec 23 8.26am

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Get rid of the tories.

And there it is. Your lifelong obsession.

There is no stigma attached to getting help these days.

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steeleye20 Croydon 13 Dec 23 10.19am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Cool, but just don't say you weren't warned Steely because I'm going to make a prediction here. It'll be Labour and not the Tories who slash your income.....they will get rid of the triple lock and will redistribute and rebalance funds to younger voters. As a generalization The Tory vote is a boomer one, the Labour vote is a young one. Just as long as you're cool with that that's fine. Because it's necessary to re-balance away from the older well off but burdensome generation who do not contribute to the younger and working families who do, especially lower paid and including immigrants who we need in our NHS and in care. If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders. Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked. Europeans are generally now considerably better off than their British neighbours around £10,800 per annum on average and we have worse benefits and low or zero caps on energy and rent which reduce inflation.
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Croydon 13 Dec 23 10.19am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Cool, but just don't say you weren't warned Steely because I'm going to make a prediction here.

It'll be Labour and not the Tories who slash your income.....they will get rid of the triple lock and will redistribute and rebalance funds to younger voters.

As a generalization The Tory vote is a boomer one, the Labour vote is a young one.

Just as long as you're cool with that that's fine.

Because it's necessary to re-balance away from the older well off but burdensome generation who do not contribute to the younger and working families who do, especially lower paid and including immigrants who we need in our NHS and in care.

If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders.

Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked.

Europeans are generally now considerably better off than their British neighbours around £10,800 per annum on average and we have worse benefits and low or zero caps on energy and rent which reduce inflation.

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Dec 23 12.07pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Because it's necessary to re-balance away from the older well off but burdensome generation who do not contribute to the younger and working families who do, especially lower paid and including immigrants who we need in our NHS and in care. If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders. Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked. Europeans are generally now considerably better off than their British neighbours around £10,800 per annum on average and we have worse benefits and low or zero caps on energy and rent which reduce inflation. What a marvellous way to reward people for working hard all their lives. Yep, this is socialism. Tax the people who made this country so they can increase benefits and increase red tape.
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Hrolf The Ganger

13 Dec 23 12.07pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Because it's necessary to re-balance away from the older well off but burdensome generation who do not contribute to the younger and working families who do, especially lower paid and including immigrants who we need in our NHS and in care.

If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders.

Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked.

What a marvellous way to reward people for working hard all their lives.
Yep, this is socialism. Tax the people who made this country so they can increase benefits and increase red tape.

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HeathMan Purley 13 Dec 23 12.15pm
Older people spending their money can stimulate the economy
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HeathMan

Purley 13 Dec 23 12.15pm

Older people spending their money can stimulate the economy

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Stirlingsays 13 Dec 23 12.32pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Because it's necessary to re-balance away from the older well off but burdensome generation who do not contribute to the younger and working families who do, especially lower paid and including immigrants who we need in our NHS and in care. If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders. Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked. Europeans are generally now considerably better off than their British neighbours around £10,800 per annum on average and we have worse benefits and low or zero caps on energy and rent which reduce inflation. Can't say I agree with much but I certainly appreciate the spicy post. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

13 Dec 23 12.32pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders.

Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked.

Can't say I agree with much but I certainly appreciate the spicy post.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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georgenorman 13 Dec 23 12.41pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Because it's necessary to re-balance away from the older well off but burdensome generation who do not contribute to the younger and working families who do, especially lower paid and including immigrants who we need in our NHS and in care. If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders. Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked. Europeans are generally now considerably better off than their British neighbours around £10,800 per annum on average and we have worse benefits and low or zero caps on energy and rent which reduce inflation. I presume you will prioritise wealthier, elderly Jews in this stealing of the money of relatively better off people?
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georgenorman

13 Dec 23 12.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders.

Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked.

I presume you will prioritise wealthier, elderly Jews in this stealing of the money of relatively better off people?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 23 1.02pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Because it's necessary to re-balance away from the older well off but burdensome generation who do not contribute to the younger and working families who do, especially lower paid and including immigrants who we need in our NHS and in care. If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders. Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked. Europeans are generally now considerably better off than their British neighbours around £10,800 per annum on average and we have worse benefits and low or zero caps on energy and rent which reduce inflation. As an older “boomer” it might surprise some that there is much here that I agree with. I was surprised that the triple lock wasn’t abandoned at the Autumn review and can only conclude that it wasn’t to keep the grey vote onside. It no longer makes economic sense and needs to go, even though I will suffer. Taxing wealth is essential. It should have been done years ago blended with a reformed inheritance tax system. How it is done is another question but the basic principle that the more you have the greater the burden needs to be gradually tightened. Avoiding the tax avoiders is the key. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 23 1.02pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

If he is to do good, Starmer will have to present the economic facts of life to our elderly free-loaders.

Wealth has to be taxed, the inequality of the UK a major cause of its economic decline, supporting wealthy people and corporations has not worked.

As an older “boomer” it might surprise some that there is much here that I agree with. I was surprised that the triple lock wasn’t abandoned at the Autumn review and can only conclude that it wasn’t to keep the grey vote onside. It no longer makes economic sense and needs to go, even though I will suffer.

Taxing wealth is essential. It should have been done years ago blended with a reformed inheritance tax system. How it is done is another question but the basic principle that the more you have the greater the burden needs to be gradually tightened. Avoiding the tax avoiders is the key.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 23 1.04pm
Originally posted by HeathMan Older people spending their money can stimulate the economy Those who do ought to be allowed an offset in excess of its basic value to encourage them to do it, rather than just sitting on it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 23 1.04pm

Originally posted by HeathMan

Older people spending their money can stimulate the economy

Those who do ought to be allowed an offset in excess of its basic value to encourage them to do it, rather than just sitting on it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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beak croydon 13 Dec 23 1.15pm
Here is a set of recent opinion polls,for those who cannot be botherd to open the link.Basically the Tories are so far behind someone needs to release search and rescue dogs. Starmer has a massive popularity lead. Rishi is so far behind help cannot reach him,think King Herod in a kindergarden.https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-opinion-polls
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beak

croydon 13 Dec 23 1.15pm

Here is a set of recent opinion polls,for those who cannot be botherd to open the link.Basically the Tories are so far behind someone needs to release search and rescue dogs. Starmer has a massive popularity lead. Rishi is so far behind help cannot reach him,think King Herod in a kindergarden.https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/uk-opinion-polls

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georgenorman 13 Dec 23 1.18pm
It is absurd to believe that taxing anyone more is going to somehow going to lead to equality (whatever that is) or significantly increase the financial well being of the population. Giving more money to governments (or the NHS) is like giving whisky to an alcoholic.
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georgenorman

13 Dec 23 1.18pm

It is absurd to believe that taxing anyone more is going to somehow going to lead to equality (whatever that is) or significantly increase the financial well being of the population.

Giving more money to governments (or the NHS) is like giving whisky to an alcoholic.

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