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 dannyboy1978  08 Jun 20 9.29am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Really? Strangle then how we abolished it 187 years ago....guess we kind of stopped building. Hey, is Africa built on slavery because they didn't stop? That is an amazing fact and everyone should see this. I guess that explains why they want to come to Britain.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jun 20 9.52am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
There's no doubt he's happened upon a strategy that boosts shares, at least – i.e. deregulate and cut taxes (not exactly rocket science) but I suppose the question is, to what end? Re-election and letting someone else pick up the pieces when the whole thing collapses again and people find out they've been played once more to the benefit of big business, and more specifically, some of Trumps own big businesses. Fair comment, however I read much commentary by Trump's opponents beforehand that his fiscal policy and tax cuts would be an economic disaster. Those claims are on this very thread by posters who since left. I answered those points at the time with an open mind and stated that I would reserve judgement. When his approach proved successful these very same posters made excuses...This pattern was repeated all through the anti Trump diaspora. Personally, economics isn't a strong area for me and I don't care about the model....Only whether it results in higher standards of living and security. However, at this point I have a healthy disdain for claims (not from you) that anti capitalistic systems can work.....Maybe a reform of capitalism will be valid but not at least until automation is far more advanced than it is now. As for the focus upon Trump's own businesses......Are his policies meant to result in worst outcomes for them?. Are people expected to ignore that he's the president and not want to invest with his businesses? Isn't this focus fueled by his haters just like the 'Hilary the assassin' stuff? If there is evidence that he has seriously corrupted some business practice using his presidency....then let his many haters take it to court after the presidency. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Obama is held up as a deity of the left but people forget that he is just as complicit in the continuation of the economic shambles that was 2008 – rehired all the same people that were the very architects of the financial crash and failed to grasp the opportunity of regulation and actually making the ratings agencies accountable... I'm in danger of sounding like a rational version of a certain someone 'Still a good time to buy!'....Is it? God knows, still, from what's happening in the US right now I bet gun stocks are a good investment. Tux is now on Comrades. I'm conflicted upon the events post 2008. I think the phrase, 'capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich' was a valid description for what went on. Still, Obama faced the very real reality that unless he bowed and bailed out the system (with the taxpayer in hock on the never never) then it would fully collaspe taking pensions, homes and all the rest of it. So yes....a plague on their houses, the system, like Tux and Funt say...the system is a con and rewards pretty awful people. However, ultimately I don't see what choice Obama realistically had. Though I agree with you that post 2008, actions like you state seem reasonable....but again, I don't claim to know much about it. Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Anyway, back to Trump and credit. As I've said before he played the China trade issue well but I really wouldn't give him too much credit over the economy (not saying Obama should be given it, mind). Anyone can do what he's done and create a spike in the corporate economy. It's the real economy that people should be looking at, and who/how much banditry he's prepared to engage in to get re-elected before he passes on the hot potato I agree, however Trump is a brand and the markets have confidence in him far more than others (rightly or wrongly) that he has their back. His model might be boom and bust but his effect on wages and employment shouldn't be ignored in a fair analysis. However, yes, the fundamental issues remain unsolved....are they solvable without their own problems? I don't know. The debt model has to be dealt with and....from what little I know, the best I've heard is some kind of jubilee system where remaining debt is cancelled at some future date. However, I'm aware that the finance system is extremely complex and that this would cause many issues. Let's not fool ourselves about my support for Trump. While all my thoughts here as posted are true reflections....My support of Trump is more about my rejection of the current loony Democrats than an embrace of Trump. That and an enjoyment of the entirely inappropriate and childish trolling and memes. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 11.10am)
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jun 20 10.02am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
That is an amazing fact and everyone should see this. I guess that explains why they want to come to Britain. In my view....and obviously in the view of many, the only civilisations worth living in, have been built by Europeans. And a certain percent hate us for that.....including an internally brainwashed set of Europeans. So we get called racist...which is a joke, as it's a double standard with the rest of the world... but hey a shakedown is a way of transferring power. And the anti white narrative is being pushed into the mainstream much more strongly at the moment. But the Tories are nearly as to blame as the left for this. Because the Tories lie about representing pride in your nation, and pride in what the British have achieved....but in reality they accepted the left's social policies which are the opposite....Hell May even embraced intersectional feminism.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jun 20 10.09am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I assume the statue was supposed to indicate that Edward Colston was a great man. He enriched himself through the slave trade resulting in en masse manslaughter. But it was only 19,000 men, women and children on his watch. How many other mass murderers would you think it appropriate to celebrate by a bronze memorial in pride of place? Time to face up to history methinks by removing a nasty stain that we just kind of got used to.
You want to tear down symbols of history that involved misdeeds? Didn't Nelson Mandella kill some people? Didn't 'God' kill untold numbers with a flood?
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jun 20 10.10am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
On a Sunday? My, how standards have fallen since we all decided we may well die. Not quite sure what you mean.....but hey.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jun 20 10.12am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In my view....and obviously in the view of many, the only civilisations worth living in, have been built by Europeans. And a certain percent hate us for that.....including an internally brainwashed set of Europeans. So we get called racist...which is a joke, as it's a double standard with the rest of the world... but hey a shakedown is a way of transferring power. And the anti white narrative is being pushed into the mainstream much more strongly at the moment. But the Tories are nearly as to blame as the left for this. Because the Tories lie about representing pride in your nation, and pride in what the British have achieved....but in reality they accepted the left's social policies which are the opposte....Hell May even embraced intersectional feminism. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 10.08am) Politicians will embrace virtually anything to get votes and that will be our downfall.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jun 20 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Politicians will embrace virtually anything to get votes and that will be our downfall. Yep, the only real thing the parliamentary Tories care about now is protecting house prices. The grass roots care....but the social conservatives are, by and large, not represented. I'll be happy if Cummings and Johnson prove me wrong. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 10.19am)
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| Belmont 08 Jun 20 10.45am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In my view....and obviously in the view of many, the only civilisations worth living in, have been built by Europeans. And a certain percent hate us for that.....including an internally brainwashed set of Europeans. So we get called racist...which is a joke, as it's a double standard with the rest of the world... but hey a shakedown is a way of transferring power. And the anti white narrative is being pushed into the mainstream much more strongly at the moment. But the Tories are nearly as to blame as the left for this. Because the Tories lie about representing pride in your nation, and pride in what the British have achieved....but in reality they accepted the left's social policies which are the opposite....Hell May even embraced intersectional feminism.
Japan?
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| Mapletree Croydon 08 Jun 20 10.46am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Yet black people want to still move here because of how great we made our selves. No Because the removal of 25 million of the most healthy workforce emasculated the African economy, shifting wealth and wealth building from Africa to Europe. So people move for economic reasons, as many on here have been quick to point out.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jun 20 11.00am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Politicians will embrace virtually anything to get votes and that will be our downfall. Like Johnson and Brexit perhaps? Or Trump and abortion, religion, China-bashing, or just about anything he can think of at any moment.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jun 20 11.03am |
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Originally posted by Belmont
Japan? I grant you that one...though Japan rightly protect themselves....probably Taiwan as well. Though it has to be said that the modern versions of these states are western and hence European modeled. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 11.05am)
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| Mapletree Croydon 08 Jun 20 11.10am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Really? Strange then how we abolished it 187 years ago....guess we kind of stopped building. Hey, is Africa built on slavery because they didn't stop? Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2020 10.12am) I see history - along with logic - really isn't your strong point. I recommend that you become involved deeply in Black History Month. To get you started:
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