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cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Feb 21 5.47am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It was done, as was the first one, because it had to be done. If the Democrats had failed to they would rightly have stood accused of political hypocrisy.

It may well rebound on the Democrats but that's the price to be paid if you protect democracy and the constitution. Trump was clearly guilty on both occasions. Politics saved him the first time. The 2/3rds requirement the second.

However, it has also exposed the hypocrisy of the majority of GOP Senators and how they fear the influence of Trump. Democrats, independents and non-Trumpian Republicans will have had their determination to never allow this man to ever hold power again re-inforced.

If any of you watched the actual presentations and arguments that were presented then I challenge anyone to truly believe Trump wasn't guilty as charged. The prosecution case was very well presented and convincing. The defence was badly presented, confused and offered excuses and diversions rather than cogent arguments. In a Court of law he would undoubtedly have been found guilty. Which makes Trump's post-verdict announcement particularly offensive. Which was hardly surprising.

At least Congress can now move on to getting Biden's appointments confirmed and Trump's future can be left to dealing with the various legal challenges that are in store for him.

If the dems were of the belief that trump organised the entry to the capitol building why did their lawyers have to sound 'convincing'?

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Feb 21 8.35am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

How has democracy and the constitution been protected by this impeachment failing? And not only just failing but doomed to fail before it even began?

Trump wins. Again. It was a piece of ludicrous political theatre that served no practical purpose. Trump loses the election and then is given a chance in the primary US political arena to walk away victorious. And the Democrats knew that would happen. Now I love looking for the nuance and/or wheels within wheels but in this case? Just an act of moronic political stupidity with zero political upside for the Democrats.


Let the healing begin

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Feb 21 9.45am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Well, if Wissy is right maybe they want him to run again as that would automatically divide the Republican support.

That would be a bit of a gamble, but I'm sure that we will see many thousands more Mexicans arriving in the southern states to boost the Dem vote.

Having your government decided by foreigners. This is our future.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Feb 21 9.52am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

It seems that Trump is not the only one to bully reporters

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Feb 21 9.56am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It seems that Trump is not the only one to bully reporters

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This lefty wokism will affect many dems in the next few years. A slip of the tongue or a wrongly sent text or email and goodnight Vienna. Karma coming to the very rule makers. Sweet

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Feb 21 9.59am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

I genuinely struggle to understand the logic of bringing this impeachment. It was clear it would not win and hands Trump a final victory. Twice they tried to do his legs and twice he walks away laughing.

On the oldest rules in any kind of politics is to only pick fights, in 99.9% of circumstances, you can win. Why fight a battle you know you are going to lose?

I appreciate that people are polarised over Trump but I would be genuinely interested to read any views from the Left that think this farce was a good idea and what it has achieved?

All I see is it reinforcing that notion that the anti-Trump hysteria is just one huge statement of double standards of the most brazen kind given what we have seen and heard from huge swathes of the shrillest voices over the last 12 months specifically and in several cases, before.

But I am all ears as to others view points.

Edited by Matov (13 Feb 2021 9.29pm)

I think Mitch McConnell (Rep) summed it up well.

In a floor speech after the vote, Senator Mitch McConnell, the minority leaders, said Trump’s conduct preceding the assault on the Capitol amounted to a “disgraceful dereliction of duty” by the former president, who he held “practically, and morally, responsible for provoking the events of the day”

But McConnell concluded that the Senate was never meant to serve as a “moral tribunal” and suggested instead that Trump could still face criminal prosecution.

“President Trump is still liable for everything he did while he’s in office,” McConnell said. “He didn’t get away with anything yet.”


In short - everyone knew he’d never get convicted - but perfectly valid to take to an impeachment trial. Had he still been in office while this was going on, more republicans may have voted in favour. It’s no secret the dems don’t want him to run again, that’s hardly revelatory.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Feb 21 10.27am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The real battle....well that I view as important starts in the republican party.

Biden and the Democrats will do more to harden attitudes within the right than anything else. Their base isn't going to let the cucks and moderates get anywhere near the leadership.

I should imagine all those that voted for impeachment will face replacement challengers at the first opportunity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2021 10.28am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Feb 21 10.31am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The republicans need to face up to the reality that they are never going to be a national government again.....this was by their own cowardly expediency on immigration over previous decades.....Trump was a reaction that was far too late in the game.

What the republicans need to start doing is focusing upon individual states, building communities and keeping the left out of their communities.

Otherwise they are lost....any ideas the moderates have of converting voters is misguided and has been proven so over decades.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Feb 2021 10.31am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 Feb 21 10.33am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I think Mitch McConnell (Rep) summed it up well.

In a floor speech after the vote, Senator Mitch McConnell, the minority leaders, said Trump’s conduct preceding the assault on the Capitol amounted to a “disgraceful dereliction of duty” by the former president, who he held “practically, and morally, responsible for provoking the events of the day”

But McConnell concluded that the Senate was never meant to serve as a “moral tribunal” and suggested instead that Trump could still face criminal prosecution.

“President Trump is still liable for everything he did while he’s in office,” McConnell said. “He didn’t get away with anything yet.”


In short - everyone knew he’d never get convicted - but perfectly valid to take to an impeachment trial. Had he still been in office while this was going on, more republicans may have voted in favour. It’s no secret the dems don’t want him to run again, that’s hardly revelatory.

Fair comment. Impeachment was meant to oust a President who was abusing his power not to go after someone who no longer has it. The Democrats says they want to heal the country and the first thing they do is pick a fight with a guy who 50m people voted for.

Trump will be 78? at the next election I doubt he will be a serious candidate due to his age by all means pursue him in the courts if he has broken the law.

Fight him the way you do all political opponents through debate and argument, show the country his policies are no good and that he is divisive, trying to prevent him running just makes him a martyr.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 14 Feb 21 10.47am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Did you not know that Stirling is right on literally every subject due to his ability to use the internet better than anyone else?

This also trumps any real life experience or knowledge that any one else can bring to any discussion.

It's not worth it, Maple, you will never 'win'. We are all just losers in his internet world.

Do you realise how hypocritical your reply sounds? You have 2 of your biggest allies on here ( won’t be so childish as to call them a cult!) who allegedly have been everywhere, done everything and are never wrong. Maple has had so many jobs I am beginning to wonder if he is the world’s oldest man or HOLs very own Benjamin Button! Wissie is.... Wissie

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 14 Feb 21 11.39am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Do you realise how hypocritical your reply sounds? You have 2 of your biggest allies on here ( won’t be so childish as to call them a cult!) who allegedly have been everywhere, done everything and are never wrong. Maple has had so many jobs I am beginning to wonder if he is the world’s oldest man or HOLs very own Benjamin Button! Wissie is.... Wissie

Used to jump from aeroplanes as well.

 

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Matov Flag 14 Feb 21 11.47am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Fair comment. Impeachment was meant to oust a President who was abusing his power not to go after someone who no longer has it. The Democrats says they want to heal the country and the first thing they do is pick a fight with a guy who 50m people voted for.

Trump will be 78? at the next election I doubt he will be a serious candidate due to his age by all means pursue him in the courts if he has broken the law.

Fight him the way you do all political opponents through debate and argument, show the country his policies are no good and that he is divisive, trying to prevent him running just makes him a martyr.

They literally handed Trump the victory on a plate. The case against him was beyond poor. They even managed to f*** up doctoring the evidence. Some serious questions should be asked about the competency of the people behind this impeachment farce, let alone the wisdom of it in the first place.

Zero strategic value for the Democrats. With the few Republicans who backed them now dead ducks.

Been trying to follow the logic of this all and the only thing I can come up with has been some kind of desperation to stop Trump becoming President again.

Another election is 4 years away. A lot can happen in that time so Trump standing again is a genuine 'who knows'. His age, a slew of other legal minefields ahead of him and that great leveller in all politics known as 'events', make it a prediction that has no real basis to bet on at the moment.

Maybe, and I am willing to accept all the mocking that will come my way because it is a little far fetched, they are worried that the 2020 election result may end up being annulled? Or enough votes discarded that Trump ends up winning? Yep, as far fetched as it sounds but add in the incredible number of executive orders that Biden has signed already and something is not adding up in the slightest. This is not an administration that seems at peace with itself in the slightest. Almost as though it is still scared of Trump.

The case against Trump was beyond poor. And yet they still went ahead. It stinks, it really does.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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