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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 17 Dec 16 5.13pm
Originally posted by 7mins No, if a driver or guard used their camera to take pics of failed safety equipment, while the train was at a stand, they'd be no safety implications, if a driver was on Tinder while train doing 90 up the brighton main line, they'd be safety implications What about a video showing members of the public around the cab? Where you got the still from? [Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 17 Dec 16 5.13pm

Originally posted by 7mins

No, if a driver or guard used their camera to take pics of failed safety equipment, while the train was at a stand, they'd be no safety implications, if a driver was on Tinder while train doing 90 up the brighton main line, they'd be safety implications

What about a video showing members of the public around the cab?

Where you got the still from?

[Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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7mins In the bush 17 Dec 16 6.16pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch What about a video showing members of the public around the cab? Where you got the still from? [Link] Was it filmed on a phone? Was it at a stand? It would nearly impossible to prove what it was filmed on. He could even say it was in airplane mode. The rule is using a communication device for personal use. It could have been a test train. Too many variables... to be certain of a disciplinary. He would however fall foul of the social media policy if he was saying something derogatory. That would be easy to prove.
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7mins

In the bush 17 Dec 16 6.16pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

What about a video showing members of the public around the cab?

Where you got the still from?

[Link]

Was it filmed on a phone? Was it at a stand? It would nearly impossible to prove what it was filmed on. He could even say it was in airplane mode. The rule is using a communication device for personal use.
It could have been a test train.
Too many variables... to be certain of a disciplinary.

He would however fall foul of the social media policy if he was saying something derogatory. That would be easy to prove.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 17 Dec 16 6.22pm
Originally posted by 7mins Was it filmed on a phone? Was it at a stand? It would nearly impossible to prove what it was filmed on. He could even say it was in airplane mode. The rule is using a communication device for personal use. It could have been a test train. Too many variables... to be certain of a disciplinary. He would however fall foul of the social media policy if he was saying something derogatory. That would be easy to prove. Well you deemed a still from the video of good (or not) enough quality to back up your argument. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 17 Dec 16 6.22pm

Originally posted by 7mins

He would however fall foul of the social media policy if he was saying something derogatory. That would be easy to prove.

Well you deemed a still from the video of good (or not) enough quality to back up your argument.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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7mins In the bush 17 Dec 16 7.09pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Well you deemed a still from the video of good (or not) enough quality to back up your argument. I'm not sure I understand your point?
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7mins

In the bush 17 Dec 16 7.09pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Well you deemed a still from the video of good (or not) enough quality to back up your argument.

I'm not sure I understand your point?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 16 7.38pm
Originally posted by 7mins I'm not sure I understand your point? It's called whataboutery, it's a sort of 'look over there ' distraction technique. The CCTV images look s***ty, but it's not just about doors it's train despatch which the guard replacement role will not fulfil. Edited by nickgusset (17 Dec 2016 7.40pm)
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 17 Dec 16 7.38pm

Originally posted by 7mins

I'm not sure I understand your point?

It's called whataboutery, it's a sort of 'look over there ' distraction technique.

The CCTV images look s***ty, but it's not just about doors it's train despatch which the guard replacement role will not fulfil.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Dec 2016 7.40pm)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 17 Dec 16 8.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset It's called whataboutery, it's a sort of 'look over there ' distraction technique. The CCTV images look s**ty, but it's not just about doors it's train despatch which the guard replacement role will not fulfil. Edited by nickgusset (17 Dec 2016 7.40pm) Haha pathetic. The only distraction technique is yours as you don't like the fact that the video that image comes from A) shows that the CCTV is not as unclear as the still would suggest. B) shows there are in fact two screens for a driver to look at both perfectly clear C) that drivers seem to pick and choose where passenger safety Is applied. So stick your whataboutery, it wasn't me that posted the original image. the dignified don't even enter in the game*
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 17 Dec 16 8.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's called whataboutery, it's a sort of 'look over there ' distraction technique.

The CCTV images look s***ty, but it's not just about doors it's train despatch which the guard replacement role will not fulfil.

Edited by nickgusset (17 Dec 2016 7.40pm)

Haha pathetic. The only distraction technique is yours as you don't like the fact that the video that image comes from

A) shows that the CCTV is not as unclear as the still would suggest.

B) shows there are in fact two screens for a driver to look at both perfectly clear

C) that drivers seem to pick and choose where passenger safety Is applied.

So stick your whataboutery, it wasn't me that posted the original image.

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Helmet46 Croydon 18 Dec 16 1.16am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Haha pathetic. The only distraction technique is yours as you don't like the fact that the video that image comes from A) shows that the CCTV is not as unclear as the still would suggest. B) shows there are in fact two screens for a driver to look at both perfectly clear C) that drivers seem to pick and choose where passenger safety Is applied. So stick your whataboutery, it wasn't me that posted the original image. It's really not worth the bother. The world is flat!!! I think if this argument were the other way around and the Company were trying to give on board conductors additional safety responsibility then the union and some on here would be citing the CCTV images as being more than adequate - arguing that this constitutes additional responsibility and that they are taking work away from the drivers, need more money etc etc. It's just blind union support irrespective on one hand and an anti company agenda from a disgruntled ex employee, trying to atone for shafting loads of people at the behest of an irresponsible Employer on the other. As I keep saying, both sides are to blame here but no one is thinking of the passenger.
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Croydon 18 Dec 16 1.16am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Haha pathetic. The only distraction technique is yours as you don't like the fact that the video that image comes from

A) shows that the CCTV is not as unclear as the still would suggest.

B) shows there are in fact two screens for a driver to look at both perfectly clear

C) that drivers seem to pick and choose where passenger safety Is applied.

So stick your whataboutery, it wasn't me that posted the original image.

It's really not worth the bother. The world is flat!!!
I think if this argument were the other way around and the Company were trying to give on board conductors additional safety responsibility then the union and some on here would be citing the CCTV images as being more than adequate - arguing that this constitutes additional responsibility and that they are taking work away from the drivers, need more money etc etc.
It's just blind union support irrespective on one hand and an anti company agenda from a disgruntled ex employee, trying to atone for shafting loads of people at the behest of an irresponsible Employer on the other.
As I keep saying, both sides are to blame here but no one is thinking of the passenger.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Dec 16 1.35am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Haha pathetic. The only distraction technique is yours as you don't like the fact that the video that image comes from A) shows that the CCTV is not as unclear as the still would suggest. B) shows there are in fact two screens for a driver to look at both perfectly clear C) that drivers seem to pick and choose where passenger safety Is applied. So stick your whataboutery, it wasn't me that posted the original image. The fact you sidetracked about point 3 in taking a photo of the CCTV screens is what I thought was whataboutery. You paint it as if the photo was taken by a driver whilst hurtling through the countryside! Your other points may be valid but I don't recall you mentioning them before. Correct me if I'm wrong. However, read back through the testimonies from drivers on here, you'll see the job of train despatch can involve much more than checking a tiny monitor. What if it's foggy? The trains are long and full. If southern can't spend some of their profit and guarantee safer journeys. They've been commissioned to run a safe public service. All Aslef and the RMT want is for their members to feel they are working to a very high safety standard. Southern want to compromise this therefore they're not fulfilling their duty as a service provider.
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Shizzlehurst 18 Dec 16 1.35am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Haha pathetic. The only distraction technique is yours as you don't like the fact that the video that image comes from

A) shows that the CCTV is not as unclear as the still would suggest.

B) shows there are in fact two screens for a driver to look at both perfectly clear

C) that drivers seem to pick and choose where passenger safety Is applied.

So stick your whataboutery, it wasn't me that posted the original image.

The fact you sidetracked about point 3 in taking a photo of the CCTV screens is what I thought was whataboutery. You paint it as if the photo was taken by a driver whilst hurtling through the countryside!

Your other points may be valid but I don't recall you mentioning them before. Correct me if I'm wrong.

However, read back through the testimonies from drivers on here, you'll see the job of train despatch can involve much more than checking a tiny monitor. What if it's foggy?

The trains are long and full. If southern can't spend some of their profit and guarantee safer journeys. They've been commissioned to run a safe public service. All Aslef and the RMT want is for their members to feel they are working to a very high safety standard. Southern want to compromise this therefore they're not fulfilling their duty as a service provider.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Dec 16 1.37am
Originally posted by Helmet46 It's really not worth the bother. The world is flat!!! I think if this argument were the other way around and the Company were trying to give on board conductors additional safety responsibility then the union and some on here would be citing the CCTV images as being more than adequate - arguing that this constitutes additional responsibility and that they are taking work away from the drivers, need more money etc etc. It's just blind union support irrespective on one hand and an anti company agenda from a disgruntled ex employee, trying to atone for shafting loads of people at the behest of an irresponsible Employer on the other. As I keep saying, both sides are to blame here but no one is thinking of the passenger. See my previous post.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 18 Dec 16 1.37am

Originally posted by Helmet46

See my previous post.

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