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laddo london 06 Sep 15 4.58pm
Quote legaleagle at 03 Aug 2015 11.41pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 03 Aug 2015 11.26pm If we're getting rid of people, lets start with the left wingers So,Tom below is the forum rule: "Transmit any message, information, data, text, software or graphic files, or other materials "Content" that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, hateful or racially, ethnically, sexually or otherwise objectionable." And here's two of tonights posts. "Well we could use a few as slave labour but other than that I can't see any positives in having them here. I may let them live in a house I've lived in once I'd boobytrapped it to the nines. Hang on! Maybe we could use them for medical science, apart from anything I've mentioned, nah, we don't fkg want the rats" "My solution to this problem is to send the SAS in and machine gun all the 'I come England, lots of money' brigade. Machine gun the vermin, burn their camps to the ground and deny all knowledge. When another lot rock up, do exactly the same, then they'll soon realise that the only thing they'll be getting is a bullet or two. Drastic measures. And I'd be more than happy to volunteer". Which "left wingers" on here are you suggesting have posted something remotely equivalent or (given you say start with them) worse? Edited by legaleagle (03 Aug 2015 11.41pm) Wow, and this idiot only got a yellow! He sounds like a massive...do you know what, I won't bother writing it, don't want a yellow or a red for such a ....nearly did it again! laddo "People say, live fast, die young. I say live fast, die old. That's me, the non-conformist". David Brent.
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london 06 Sep 15 4.58pm

Quote legaleagle at 03 Aug 2015 11.41pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 03 Aug 2015 11.26pm

If we're getting rid of people, lets start with the left wingers

So,Tom below is the forum rule:

"Transmit any message, information, data, text, software or graphic files, or other materials "Content" that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, hateful or racially, ethnically, sexually or otherwise objectionable."

And here's two of tonights posts.

"Well we could use a few as slave labour but other than that I can't see any positives in having them here.
I may let them live in a house I've lived in once I'd boobytrapped it to the nines.
Hang on! Maybe we could use them for medical science, apart from anything I've mentioned, nah, we don't f**k**g want the rats"

"My solution to this problem is to send the SAS in and machine gun all the 'I come England, lots of money' brigade. Machine gun the vermin, burn their camps to the ground and deny all knowledge.
When another lot rock up, do exactly the same, then they'll soon realise that the only thing they'll be getting is a bullet or two. Drastic measures. And I'd be more than happy to volunteer".

Which "left wingers" on here are you suggesting have posted something remotely equivalent or (given you say start with them) worse?

Edited by legaleagle (03 Aug 2015 11.41pm)

Wow, and this idiot only got a yellow! He sounds like a massive...do you know what, I won't bother writing it, don't want a yellow or a red for such a ....nearly did it again!

laddo

"People say, live fast, die young. I say live fast, die old. That's me, the non-conformist".
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Stirlingsays 06 Sep 15 6.19pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 3.45pm People who are part of IS, or similar groups, or have committed war crimes, would be exempt from Asylum status (in fact the UK would be liable to arrest and even prosecute them, under international law). The degree to which people can be vouched for is debatable given that the UK and Syria have rarely if ever had much information exchange (and that of course the Assad regime are untrustworthy brutal oppressors who'd regard anyone 'disloyal' as terrorist or criminal. It'd be like trying to vouch people from the old Soviet union. Invariably the people who need protecting would be the very ones that the state would regard as terrorists etc. It's easy the Kurds and Christians and Aid groups can be used. The Kurds are secular to moderate Muslims and Asylum can be granted to the Christian groups who didn't throw in their lot with Assad. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 3.45pm

People who are part of IS, or similar groups, or have committed war crimes, would be exempt from Asylum status (in fact the UK would be liable to arrest and even prosecute them, under international law).

The degree to which people can be vouched for is debatable given that the UK and Syria have rarely if ever had much information exchange (and that of course the Assad regime are untrustworthy brutal oppressors who'd regard anyone 'disloyal' as terrorist or criminal.

It'd be like trying to vouch people from the old Soviet union. Invariably the people who need protecting would be the very ones that the state would regard as terrorists etc.

It's easy the Kurds and Christians and Aid groups can be used.

The Kurds are secular to moderate Muslims and Asylum can be granted to the Christian groups who didn't throw in their lot with Assad.

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Stirlingsays 06 Sep 15 6.36pm
Quote oldcodger at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm Your post you mean? Yes I know. You appear to have neglected to bold the very next 'of course I'm being facetious' line. My point as stated is that we are not weighing up like for like improvements to peoples lives when we are taking in people living in refugee camps in war torn areas. It was also clearly a little dig at the likes of people who not only inflate the importance of 'not' taking in refugees but are also keen to diminish them. Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 12.20pm) My early version of that post was a mistake.....I had corrected it reasonably quickly....Not quickly enough it seems. Still, writing a facetious comment is still a bit pointless as a device if you're going to recognise it yourself. Why should I be bothered for 'like for like'? My interest is in people I can relate to....I own no foreigners nothing. I give to charities where I believe the cause fits into my mindset....And frankly so do most people....I'll be contributing to food aid towards this crises as well...But this does not extend to giving away a British 'birthright'.....Which is what effectively happens.....Well, beyond a reasonable asylum number that this country can cope with.....Well, we can't actually cope with the number we have now actually. The number of EALs in my school is frankly a joke....God knows how many affordable houses they are taking. Every months many thousands of children and adults die of preventable diseases and lack of basic water/food/medical provision. This is a daily occurrence, on a collective scale much larger than what's happening in Syria. I wonder how much people the middle class in Syria (most of these immigrants have the money to do pay offs) were giving to provide water to Africa....Mmmmm. It's hypocrisy Yet if you don't agree with opening your borders or bending over to what Germany thinks on immigration you are apparently heartless or a lesser human being. I think so many people are riddled with hypocrisy that I'm surprised that they even attempt the pious bit. In the past Britain had far more capacity....The left would turn this country into the world's carer home.....Feck knows who'd stick around to pay for it.....Considering all the lefty and liberal English middle class actually vote Tory when they are in the election booth. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 6.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote oldcodger at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm

Your post you mean? Yes I know.

You appear to have neglected to bold the very next 'of course I'm being facetious' line. My point as stated is that we are not weighing up like for like improvements to peoples lives when we are taking in people living in refugee camps in war torn areas.

It was also clearly a little dig at the likes of people who not only inflate the importance of 'not' taking in refugees but are also keen to diminish them.

Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 12.20pm)

My early version of that post was a mistake.....I had corrected it reasonably quickly....Not quickly enough it seems.

Still, writing a facetious comment is still a bit pointless as a device if you're going to recognise it yourself.

Why should I be bothered for 'like for like'? My interest is in people I can relate to....I own no foreigners nothing. I give to charities where I believe the cause fits into my mindset....And frankly so do most people....I'll be contributing to food aid towards this crises as well...But this does not extend to giving away a British 'birthright'.....Which is what effectively happens.....Well, beyond a reasonable asylum number that this country can cope with.....Well, we can't actually cope with the number we have now actually. The number of EALs in my school is frankly a joke....God knows how many affordable houses they are taking.

Every months many thousands of children and adults die of preventable diseases and lack of basic water/food/medical provision.

This is a daily occurrence, on a collective scale much larger than what's happening in Syria. I wonder how much people the middle class in Syria (most of these immigrants have the money to do pay offs) were giving to provide water to Africa....Mmmmm.

It's hypocrisy Yet if you don't agree with opening your borders or bending over to what Germany thinks on immigration you are apparently heartless or a lesser human being.

I think so many people are riddled with hypocrisy that I'm surprised that they even attempt the pious bit.

In the past Britain had far more capacity....The left would turn this country into the world's carer home.....Feck knows who'd stick around to pay for it.....Considering all the lefty and liberal English middle class actually vote Tory when they are in the election booth.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 6.39pm)

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Stirlingsays 06 Sep 15 6.59pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 3.54pm Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem For the west, and security, the Assad regime probably represent the best outcome. The Free Syrian Army is propped up by a number of Islamist Militias that whilst not IS or Al-Qaeda aren't likely to end up being friendly to the west. As for Putin, if not him, another would have done the same. If Putin was against Syrian support, he'd likely 'be offed' and replaced by a more compliant puppet. The IS faction in Syria has always been one of the major players in this conflict, simply because it was supplied and supported from the infrastructure in place as part of the Sunni insurgency, with support from the 'usual suspects'. And of course if the Assad military hadn't been equipped by Russia, then the Free Syrian army wouldn't have been very well equipped either, as they formed out of Syrian Military units. The concern for the West, remains IS and its allied factions. The Kurdish areas will likely annex with the Iraq-Kurdish zones, but the Assad regime isn't going to accept the areas of the Free Syrian Army being independent, it might however make peace with the loss of the IS regions. I don't think this works out this way at all. At best I feel you've described a possible stage in the war....But not the end situation. Also the FSA is obviously a collective terms for quite a few groups. By no means is it fair to collective view the FSA as anti western.....For example, the majority are anti IS and Assad Sunni Muslims.....fifteen percent are Kurds and you have anti Assad alawites and secularists. The FSA is moderate enough to form a coalition with the main Christian group fighting Assad ( Syriac Military Counci). Which anti western groups would do that? I would view a country run by people within the FSA as a far truer reflection of Syrian society than the pure Alawite version they lived under before. As for the likely end game. This is a proxy war with major players......It won't be ending with Assad in charge that's for certain. Russia is significantly economically outgunned on this one. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 7.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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06 Sep 15 6.59pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem

For the west, and security, the Assad regime probably represent the best outcome. The Free Syrian Army is propped up by a number of Islamist Militias that whilst not IS or Al-Qaeda aren't likely to end up being friendly to the west.

As for Putin, if not him, another would have done the same. If Putin was against Syrian support, he'd likely 'be offed' and replaced by a more compliant puppet.

The IS faction in Syria has always been one of the major players in this conflict, simply because it was supplied and supported from the infrastructure in place as part of the Sunni insurgency, with support from the 'usual suspects'.

And of course if the Assad military hadn't been equipped by Russia, then the Free Syrian army wouldn't have been very well equipped either, as they formed out of Syrian Military units.

The concern for the West, remains IS and its allied factions. The Kurdish areas will likely annex with the Iraq-Kurdish zones, but the Assad regime isn't going to accept the areas of the Free Syrian Army being independent, it might however make peace with the loss of the IS regions.

I don't think this works out this way at all. At best I feel you've described a possible stage in the war....But not the end situation.

Also the FSA is obviously a collective terms for quite a few groups. By no means is it fair to collective view the FSA as anti western.....For example, the majority are anti IS and Assad Sunni Muslims.....fifteen percent are Kurds and you have anti Assad alawites and secularists.

The FSA is moderate enough to form a coalition with the main Christian group fighting Assad ( Syriac Military Counci). Which anti western groups would do that?

I would view a country run by people within the FSA as a far truer reflection of Syrian society than the pure Alawite version they lived under before.

As for the likely end game.

This is a proxy war with major players......It won't be ending with Assad in charge that's for certain. Russia is significantly economically outgunned on this one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 7.09pm)

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jcreedy 06 Sep 15 7.03pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 06 Sep 2015 12.05pm Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 11.59am tell you who has been let off lightly. Bloody Putin. If he hadn't been so obstructive and supportive of Assad and his murderous cronies the initial people's uprising would probably have succeeded four years ago. Then No Syrian-based IS, no refugee crisis and so much less upheaval. Thanks, Vladimir. Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem There's two sides to it. If the UK hadn't supplied arms to various groups in Syria, and the Middle-East as a whole, there might not be such a huge number of people leaving the area. It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. - John Bostock (Nov 2007)
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 06 Sep 2015 12.05pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 11.59am

tell you who has been let off lightly. Bloody Putin. If he hadn't been so obstructive and supportive of Assad and his murderous cronies the initial people's uprising would probably have succeeded four years ago.

Then No Syrian-based IS, no refugee crisis and so much less upheaval.

Thanks, Vladimir.

Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem

There's two sides to it. If the UK hadn't supplied arms to various groups in Syria, and the Middle-East as a whole, there might not be such a huge number of people leaving the area.

It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

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Stirlingsays 06 Sep 15 7.03pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 2.23pm Retracted. I may have been getting mixed-up with your pro-UKIP stuff and refugees. Fair enough. We all get pigeonholed.....I'm not sure what UKIP's view on this is.....Farage is usually quite pro asylum as long as its reasonable. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 2.23pm

Retracted.

I may have been getting mixed-up with your pro-UKIP stuff and refugees.

Fair enough.

We all get pigeonholed.....I'm not sure what UKIP's view on this is.....Farage is usually quite pro asylum as long as its reasonable.

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Stirlingsays 06 Sep 15 7.07pm
Quote jcreedy at 06 Sep 2015 7.03pm There's two sides to it. If the UK hadn't supplied arms to various groups in Syria, and the Middle-East as a whole, there might not be such a huge number of people leaving the area. You seriously don't know what you are talking about. Apart from what you are suggesting would have led to whole city wide massacres and oppression with no way to fight back.....You also seem to not be aware of the basic situation in the region. Most of the rebel weapons came from Qatar, Turkey and the House of Saud.....All of whom hate the Assad family and regime. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 7.08pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote jcreedy at 06 Sep 2015 7.03pm

There's two sides to it. If the UK hadn't supplied arms to various groups in Syria, and the Middle-East as a whole, there might not be such a huge number of people leaving the area.

You seriously don't know what you are talking about.

Apart from what you are suggesting would have led to whole city wide massacres and oppression with no way to fight back.....You also seem to not be aware of the basic situation in the region.

Most of the rebel weapons came from Qatar, Turkey and the House of Saud.....All of whom hate the Assad family and regime.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 7.08pm)

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Mr Palaceman 06 Sep 15 7.09pm
Quote laddo at 06 Sep 2015 4.58pm Quote legaleagle at 03 Aug 2015 11.41pm Quote Tom-the-eagle at 03 Aug 2015 11.26pm If we're getting rid of people, lets start with the left wingers So,Tom below is the forum rule: "Transmit any message, information, data, text, software or graphic files, or other materials "Content" that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, hateful or racially, ethnically, sexually or otherwise objectionable." And here's two of tonights posts. "Well we could use a few as slave labour but other than that I can't see any positives in having them here. I may let them live in a house I've lived in once I'd boobytrapped it to the nines. Hang on! Maybe we could use them for medical science, apart from anything I've mentioned, nah, we don't fkg want the rats" "My solution to this problem is to send the SAS in and machine gun all the 'I come England, lots of money' brigade. Machine gun the vermin, burn their camps to the ground and deny all knowledge. When another lot rock up, do exactly the same, then they'll soon realise that the only thing they'll be getting is a bullet or two. Drastic measures. And I'd be more than happy to volunteer". Which "left wingers" on here are you suggesting have posted something remotely equivalent or (given you say start with them) worse? Edited by legaleagle (03 Aug 2015 11.41pm) Wow, and this idiot only got a yellow! He sounds like a massive...do you know what, I won't bother writing it, don't want a yellow or a red for such a ....nearly did it again! Wow indeed. I missed those posts, been travelling a bit. I can't see them in this thread.. Who posted those 2 posts? Please name and shame.. And they are still posting? "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Quote laddo at 06 Sep 2015 4.58pm

Quote legaleagle at 03 Aug 2015 11.41pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 03 Aug 2015 11.26pm

If we're getting rid of people, lets start with the left wingers

So,Tom below is the forum rule:

And here's two of tonights posts.

Which "left wingers" on here are you suggesting have posted something remotely equivalent or (given you say start with them) worse?

Edited by legaleagle (03 Aug 2015 11.41pm)

Wow, and this idiot only got a yellow! He sounds like a massive...do you know what, I won't bother writing it, don't want a yellow or a red for such a ....nearly did it again!

Wow indeed. I missed those posts, been travelling a bit. I can't see them in this thread.. Who posted those 2 posts? Please name and shame..

And they are still posting?

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oldcodger 06 Sep 15 7.30pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 6.36pm Quote oldcodger at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm Your post you mean? Yes I know. You appear to have neglected to bold the very next 'of course I'm being facetious' line. My point as stated is that we are not weighing up like for like improvements to peoples lives when we are taking in people living in refugee camps in war torn areas. It was also clearly a little dig at the likes of people who not only inflate the importance of 'not' taking in refugees but are also keen to diminish them. Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 12.20pm) My early version of that post was a mistake.....I had corrected it reasonably quickly....Not quickly enough it seems. Still, writing a facetious comment is still a bit pointless as a device if you're going to recognise it yourself. Why should I be bothered for 'like for like'? My interest is in people I can relate to....I own no foreigners nothing. I give to charities where I believe the cause fits into my mindset....And frankly so do most people....I'll be contributing to food aid towards this crises as well...But this does not extend to giving away a British 'birthright'.....Which is what effectively happens.....Well, beyond a reasonable asylum number that this country can cope with.....Well, we can't actually cope with the number we have now actually. The number of EALs in my school is frankly a joke....God knows how many affordable houses they are taking. Every months many thousands of children and adults die of preventable diseases and lack of basic water/food/medical provision. This is a daily occurrence, on a collective scale much larger than what's happening in Syria. I wonder how much people the middle class in Syria (most of these immigrants have the money to do pay offs) were giving to provide water to Africa....Mmmmm. It's hypocrisy Yet if you don't agree with opening your borders or bending over to what Germany thinks on immigration you are apparently heartless or a lesser human being. I think so many people are riddled with hypocrisy that I'm surprised that they even attempt the pious bit. In the past Britain had far more capacity....The left would turn this country into the world's carer home.....Feck knows who'd stick around to pay for it.....Considering all the lefty and liberal English middle class actually vote Tory when they are in the election booth. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 6.39pm) You mean 'owe'. Life isn't always about owing people something. Making decisions that result in the greatest positive change to a life or lives is also an option. You may as well just go a step further and say that you don't owe anyone anything. A zero rating all round. "My interest is in people I can relate to..." indeed. If someone's from a different place, or sounds a bit different, looks a bit different, it's 'jog on mate' or 'here's a tenner, now stay away'. We can't all live next door to Terry and June. Sounds like you might be interested in starring in a Rising Damp remake mind. We're taking refugees from camps. That doesn't mean you're "heartless or a lesser human being" unless you open your borders totally. Who has ever said that? You're the one ticking off reasons for how you justify totally writing off the value of men leaving Syria with their families.. Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 7.33pm)
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Quote oldcodger at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm

Your post you mean? Yes I know.

It was also clearly a little dig at the likes of people who not only inflate the importance of 'not' taking in refugees but are also keen to diminish them.

Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 12.20pm)

My early version of that post was a mistake.....I had corrected it reasonably quickly....Not quickly enough it seems.

Still, writing a facetious comment is still a bit pointless as a device if you're going to recognise it yourself.

Why should I be bothered for 'like for like'? My interest is in people I can relate to....I own no foreigners nothing. I give to charities where I believe the cause fits into my mindset....And frankly so do most people....I'll be contributing to food aid towards this crises as well...But this does not extend to giving away a British 'birthright'.....Which is what effectively happens.....Well, beyond a reasonable asylum number that this country can cope with.....Well, we can't actually cope with the number we have now actually. The number of EALs in my school is frankly a joke....God knows how many affordable houses they are taking.

Every months many thousands of children and adults die of preventable diseases and lack of basic water/food/medical provision.

It's hypocrisy Yet if you don't agree with opening your borders or bending over to what Germany thinks on immigration you are apparently heartless or a lesser human being.

I think so many people are riddled with hypocrisy that I'm surprised that they even attempt the pious bit.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 6.39pm)

You mean 'owe'. Life isn't always about owing people something. Making decisions that result in the greatest positive change to a life or lives is also an option. You may as well just go a step further and say that you don't owe anyone anything. A zero rating all round.

"My interest is in people I can relate to..." indeed. If someone's from a different place, or sounds a bit different, looks a bit different, it's 'jog on mate' or 'here's a tenner, now stay away'. We can't all live next door to Terry and June. Sounds like you might be interested in starring in a Rising Damp remake mind.

We're taking refugees from camps. That doesn't mean you're "heartless or a lesser human being" unless you open your borders totally. Who has ever said that? You're the one ticking off reasons for how you justify totally writing off the value of men leaving Syria with their families..

Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 7.33pm)

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Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 6.59pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 3.54pm Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem For the west, and security, the Assad regime probably represent the best outcome. The Free Syrian Army is propped up by a number of Islamist Militias that whilst not IS or Al-Qaeda aren't likely to end up being friendly to the west. As for Putin, if not him, another would have done the same. If Putin was against Syrian support, he'd likely 'be offed' and replaced by a more compliant puppet. The IS faction in Syria has always been one of the major players in this conflict, simply because it was supplied and supported from the infrastructure in place as part of the Sunni insurgency, with support from the 'usual suspects'. And of course if the Assad military hadn't been equipped by Russia, then the Free Syrian army wouldn't have been very well equipped either, as they formed out of Syrian Military units. The concern for the West, remains IS and its allied factions. The Kurdish areas will likely annex with the Iraq-Kurdish zones, but the Assad regime isn't going to accept the areas of the Free Syrian Army being independent, it might however make peace with the loss of the IS regions. I don't think this works out this way at all. At best I feel you've described a possible stage in the war....But not the end situation. Also the FSA is obviously a collective terms for quite a few groups. By no means is it fair to collective view the FSA as anti western.....For example, the majority are anti IS and Assad Sunni Muslims.....fifteen percent are Kurds and you have anti Assad alawites and secularists. The FSA is moderate enough to form a coalition with the main Christian group fighting Assad ( Syriac Military Counci). Which anti western groups would do that? I would view a country run by people within the FSA as a far truer reflection of Syrian society than the pure Alawite version they lived under before. As for the likely end game. This is a proxy war with major players......It won't be ending with Assad in charge that's for certain. Russia is significantly economically outgunned on this one. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 7.09pm) The problem is that the FSA is sandwiched now surrounded by the Loyalist Assad forces, with the only hope really being the fact that IS have to engage the loyalists to advance further on their south and east borders. Outnumbered by both sides, the Free Syrian Army isn't likely to survive the conflict, without either a massive break out from their southern pockets, or a large scale defeat of IS from the Kurdish regions. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem

As for Putin, if not him, another would have done the same. If Putin was against Syrian support, he'd likely 'be offed' and replaced by a more compliant puppet.

And of course if the Assad military hadn't been equipped by Russia, then the Free Syrian army wouldn't have been very well equipped either, as they formed out of Syrian Military units.

I don't think this works out this way at all. At best I feel you've described a possible stage in the war....But not the end situation.

The FSA is moderate enough to form a coalition with the main Christian group fighting Assad ( Syriac Military Counci). Which anti western groups would do that?

I would view a country run by people within the FSA as a far truer reflection of Syrian society than the pure Alawite version they lived under before.

As for the likely end game.

This is a proxy war with major players......It won't be ending with Assad in charge that's for certain. Russia is significantly economically outgunned on this one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2015 7.09pm)

The problem is that the FSA is sandwiched now surrounded by the Loyalist Assad forces, with the only hope really being the fact that IS have to engage the loyalists to advance further on their south and east borders.

Outnumbered by both sides, the Free Syrian Army isn't likely to survive the conflict, without either a massive break out from their southern pockets, or a large scale defeat of IS from the Kurdish regions.

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Quote sickboy at 06 Sep 2015 4.49pm Just a thought but if Putin was to do his bit he runs a country much closer to the area with a nearly unrivalled land mass and massive natural resources. Plenty of room and finance there for refugees, and before people get their knickers in a twist, i know its never gonna happen. They certainly could do a lot more, its worth noting they have taken 6000 Syrian Refugees since 2012. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote sickboy at 06 Sep 2015 4.49pm

Just a thought but if Putin was to do his bit he runs a country much closer to the area with a nearly unrivalled land mass and massive natural resources. Plenty of room and finance there for refugees, and before people get their knickers in a twist, i know its never gonna happen.

They certainly could do a lot more, its worth noting they have taken 6000 Syrian Refugees since 2012.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Quote oldcodger at 06 Sep 2015 7.30pm You mean 'owe'. Life isn't always about owing people something. Making decisions that result in the greatest positive change to a life or lives is also an option. You may as well just go a step further and say that you don't owe anyone anything. A zero rating all round. "My interest is in people I can relate to..." indeed. If someone's from a different place, or sounds a bit different, looks a bit different, it's 'jog on mate' or 'here's a tenner, now stay away'. We can't all live next door to Terry and June. Sounds like you might be interested in starring in a Rising Damp remake mind. We're taking refugees from camps. That doesn't mean you're "heartless or a lesser human being" unless you open your borders totally. Who has ever said that? You're the one ticking off reasons for how you justify totally writing off the value of men leaving Syria with their families.. Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 7.33pm) I've probably given more to foreign charities than you....As usual your stereotypes are a poor understanding of views that don't coincide with your own. As for who has intimated those comments, maybe you should read the thread. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 7.33pm)

I've probably given more to foreign charities than you....As usual your stereotypes are a poor understanding of views that don't coincide with your own.

As for who has intimated those comments, maybe you should read the thread.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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