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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Apr 20 9.15am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman If they’re concerned about the tax, why don’t they just say a percentage of the 30% cut goes to the government (to pay off debt or anything as it isn’t necessarily for the nhs) and the rest stays in the clubs. Only football is their concern. Stop playing at politics. Originally that 30% was going to be a deferment and not a cut. Unless that was either a rumour or they heard or knew it wasn’t going down well. Them feeling their backs are against the wall sounds like a call for sympathy because they don’t want to do it. Not have any money coming into the house is your back against the wall. Having to take a temporary pay cut is an inconvenience. I don't expect to see bailiff's turning up anytime soon at their homes. Players in the lower leagues is a different matter some of them maybe in that situation. Hopefully when all this is over a bit of sanity will come into football finances. The top players like Harry Kane will always get top dollar it's the average PL players in the 20-50k per week that is the insanity. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Apr 20 9.15am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If they’re concerned about the tax, why don’t they just say a percentage of the 30% cut goes to the government (to pay off debt or anything as it isn’t necessarily for the nhs) and the rest stays in the clubs. Only football is their concern. Stop playing at politics.

Originally that 30% was going to be a deferment and not a cut. Unless that was either a rumour or they heard or knew it wasn’t going down well.

Them feeling their backs are against the wall sounds like a call for sympathy because they don’t want to do it.

Not have any money coming into the house is your back against the wall. Having to take a temporary pay cut is an inconvenience.

I don't expect to see bailiff's turning up anytime soon at their homes. Players in the lower leagues is a different matter some of them maybe in that situation.

Hopefully when all this is over a bit of sanity will come into football finances. The top players like Harry Kane will always get top dollar it's the average PL players in the 20-50k per week that is the insanity.

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Eaglecoops CR3 05 Apr 20 9.55am
Originally posted by Badger11 Meanwhile the bin dippers are straight out of the blocks in furloughing their staff (anything for a free handout). Ex players and the good people of Liverpool don't seem to impressed with this. Burnley are saying that will take a hit of 50m if the season is not completed. I assume they mean if Sky demands it money back. I think the players need to wake up and smell the coffee. Public sympathy is at zero and the clubs are at real risk of the TV money drying up maybe the days of easy money are coming to an end? This is the crux of it. There are very few in the country who are not affected financially in one way or another by the pandemic. For the footballers to turn round and say that because they pay a lot in tax they shouldn't be denied their money is totally crass. If they follow this route they should be prepared for a massive backlash from the public.
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CR3 05 Apr 20 9.55am

Originally posted by Badger11

Meanwhile the bin dippers are straight out of the blocks in furloughing their staff (anything for a free handout).

Ex players and the good people of Liverpool don't seem to impressed with this.

Burnley are saying that will take a hit of 50m if the season is not completed. I assume they mean if Sky demands it money back.

I think the players need to wake up and smell the coffee. Public sympathy is at zero and the clubs are at real risk of the TV money drying up maybe the days of easy money are coming to an end?

This is the crux of it. There are very few in the country who are not affected financially in one way or another by the pandemic. For the footballers to turn round and say that because they pay a lot in tax they shouldn't be denied their money is totally crass. If they follow this route they should be prepared for a massive backlash from the public.

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jeeagles 05 Apr 20 10.07am
The concern about tax is a complete red herring. I’ve got friend working in finance in the channel island who deal with countless players wealth funds. They don’t pay their fair share of tax. We have seen the likes of Zaha, Neville, Giggs etc making donations to help high risk groups out. There is an argument that they should be allowed to offer assistance in their own way and not by a blanket instruction. I think Simon Jordan said that the time only people who make money in football are the players and the TV. The clubs rarely do. Which leads you on to thinking who would a pay cut benefit? The NHS or the Clubs. With the mirror reporting that BSkyB and other broadcasters are going to impose penalties on the clubs, I suspect footballers are being used as an easy target. Really, it seems that big business like sky are trying to protect their interest and using there media outlets to spin the story they want you to here. I’m still not sure why some businesses, that make millions and millions of pounds then dodge as much tax as they can are getting the taxpayer to pay their staff.... this argument about footballers wages is being used as a distraction. I know of people that own a construction firm with hundreds of millions in the bank and of an owner of a manufacturers business with tens of millions in the bank who are both still looking to send low paid workers into work on low wages and high risk conditions to protect their phenomenal wealth.
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The concern about tax is a complete red herring. I’ve got friend working in finance in the channel island who deal with countless players wealth funds. They don’t pay their fair share of tax.

We have seen the likes of Zaha, Neville, Giggs etc making donations to help high risk groups out. There is an argument that they should be allowed to offer assistance in their own way and not by a blanket instruction.

I think Simon Jordan said that the time only people who make money in football are the players and the TV. The clubs rarely do. Which leads you on to thinking who would a pay cut benefit? The NHS or the Clubs.

I’m still not sure why some businesses, that make millions and millions of pounds then dodge as much tax as they can are getting the taxpayer to pay their staff.... this argument about footballers wages is being used as a distraction. I know of people that own a construction firm with hundreds of millions in the bank and of an owner of a manufacturers business with tens of millions in the bank who are both still looking to send low paid workers into work on low wages and high risk conditions to protect their phenomenal wealth.

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 05 Apr 20 10.21am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops This is the crux of it. There are very few in the country who are not affected financially in one way or another by the pandemic. For the footballers to turn round and say that because they pay a lot in tax they shouldn't be denied their money is totally crass. If they follow this route they should be prepared for a massive backlash from the public. I sincerely doubt there will be a backlash from the public until football prices itself out of their pockets. In view of what is currently happening future price increases should be unjustifiable but let's wait and see who will be expected to foot the cost. Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I sincerely doubt there will be a backlash from the public until football prices itself out of their pockets. In view of what is currently happening future price increases should be unjustifiable but let's wait and see who will be expected to foot the cost.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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Badger11 Beckenham 05 Apr 20 10.24am
Originally posted by jeeagles The concern about tax is a complete red herring. I’ve got friend working in finance in the channel island who deal with countless players wealth funds. They don’t pay their fair share of tax. We have seen the likes of Zaha, Neville, Giggs etc making donations to help high risk groups out. There is an argument that they should be allowed to offer assistance in their own way and not by a blanket instruction. I think Simon Jordan said that the time only people who make money in football are the players and the TV. The clubs rarely do. Which leads you on to thinking who would a pay cut benefit? The NHS or the Clubs. With the mirror reporting that BSkyB and other broadcasters are going to impose penalties on the clubs, I suspect footballers are being used as an easy target. Really, it seems that big business like sky are trying to protect their interest and using there media outlets to spin the story they want you to here. I’m still not sure why some businesses, that make millions and millions of pounds then dodge as much tax as they can are getting the taxpayer to pay their staff.... this argument about footballers wages is being used as a distraction. I know of people that own a construction firm with hundreds of millions in the bank and of an owner of a manufacturers business with tens of millions in the bank who are both still looking to send low paid workers into work on low wages and high risk conditions to protect their phenomenal wealth. Like Richard Branson who doesn't pay personal tax in the UK neither does his Virgin Airlines yet expects us to bail it out. One more point
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Beckenham 05 Apr 20 10.24am

Originally posted by jeeagles

The concern about tax is a complete red herring. I’ve got friend working in finance in the channel island who deal with countless players wealth funds. They don’t pay their fair share of tax.

With the mirror reporting that BSkyB and other broadcasters are going to impose penalties on the clubs, I suspect footballers are being used as an easy target. Really, it seems that big business like sky are trying to protect their interest and using there media outlets to spin the story they want you to here.

I’m still not sure why some businesses, that make millions and millions of pounds then dodge as much tax as they can are getting the taxpayer to pay their staff.... this argument about footballers wages is being used as a distraction. I know of people that own a construction firm with hundreds of millions in the bank and of an owner of a manufacturers business with tens of millions in the bank who are both still looking to send low paid workers into work on low wages and high risk conditions to protect their phenomenal wealth.

Like Richard Branson who doesn't pay personal tax in the UK neither does his Virgin Airlines yet expects us to bail it out.

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Gary St.Andrews Kenley 05 Apr 20 1.56pm
Seems like the players think the billionaire owners should be sorting the finances out for this, which I can see their point on that. Then the billionaire owners are the ones that financed the players moves and helped pay their ridiculous salaries. Personally I think they should both help pay the clubs non playing staff, rather than furlough them... It’s dead simple... have a read of Wayne Rooney in the Times to see how out of touch this prat is...
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Seems like the players think the billionaire owners should be sorting the finances out for this, which I can see their point on that.

Then the billionaire owners are the ones that financed the players moves and helped pay their ridiculous salaries.

Personally I think they should both help pay the clubs non playing staff, rather than furlough them...

It’s dead simple... have a read of Wayne Rooney in the Times to see how out of touch this prat is...

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Eaglehamster Storrington 05 Apr 20 4.48pm
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews Seems like the players think the billionaire owners should be sorting the finances out for this, which I can see their point on that. Then the billionaire owners are the ones that financed the players moves and helped pay their ridiculous salaries. Personally I think they should both help pay the clubs non playing staff, rather than furlough them... It’s dead simple... have a read of Wayne Rooney in the Times to see how out of touch this prat is... Yeah - he quotes the plight of an impoverished Derby player struggling to exist of £2000 a week. 4 X the average wage. No sense of perspective at all. Why on earth did the ST employ him? I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.
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Storrington 05 Apr 20 4.48pm

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Seems like the players think the billionaire owners should be sorting the finances out for this, which I can see their point on that.

Then the billionaire owners are the ones that financed the players moves and helped pay their ridiculous salaries.

Personally I think they should both help pay the clubs non playing staff, rather than furlough them...

It’s dead simple... have a read of Wayne Rooney in the Times to see how out of touch this prat is...

Yeah - he quotes the plight of an impoverished Derby player struggling to exist of £2000 a week. 4 X the average wage. No sense of perspective at all. Why on earth did the ST employ him?

I have now sufficient funds to last me the rest of my life. Provided I don't buy anything.

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est1905 05 Apr 20 6.02pm
I am personally appalled and disgusted at some Prem players woe is me attitude. Claiming they do so much for charity already, why are we being made the scapegoats, We're the easy targets, blah blah. Andros Townsend amongst them. Disgrace. Its hard to feel sorry for someone who earns over 50k a week (nearly all of them do these days) At a time when normal people that don't live in a well paid bubble have lost their jobs or are self employed, cannot work and have zero money coming in or worse, a front line NHS worker that's risking or even sacrificing their lives to protect/keep us safe I think it is astonishingly selfish and ignorant of Prem players to not WANT to forgo their wages at this time. I'm not talking about lower league players that are on comparable to many of us. I am talking about the mega rich at the top level that have complained about being singled out. The secretary of State was absolutely right to do so. I would of gone further with my comments.
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I am personally appalled and disgusted at some Prem players woe is me attitude. Claiming they do so much for charity already, why are we being made the scapegoats, We're the easy targets, blah blah. Andros Townsend amongst them. Disgrace.
Its hard to feel sorry for someone who earns over 50k a week (nearly all of them do these days)
At a time when normal people that don't live in a well paid bubble have lost their jobs or are self employed, cannot work and have zero money coming in or worse, a front line NHS worker that's risking or even sacrificing their lives to protect/keep us safe I think it is astonishingly selfish and ignorant of Prem players to not WANT to forgo their wages at this time.
I'm not talking about lower league players that are on comparable to many of us. I am talking about the mega rich at the top level that have complained about being singled out.
The secretary of State was absolutely right to do so. I would of gone further with my comments.

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Badger11 Beckenham 06 Apr 20 7.47am
Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews Seems like the players think the billionaire owners should be sorting the finances out for this, which I can see their point on that. Then the billionaire owners are the ones that financed the players moves and helped pay their ridiculous salaries. Personally I think they should both help pay the clubs non playing staff, rather than furlough them... It’s dead simple... have a read of Wayne Rooney in the Times to see how out of touch this prat is... This Wayne Rooney? He and his mate Kyle (hello can I order two sex workers) Walker had a meet with their families. [Link] Edited by Badger11 (06 Apr 2020 7.47am) One more point
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Beckenham 06 Apr 20 7.47am

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Seems like the players think the billionaire owners should be sorting the finances out for this, which I can see their point on that.

Then the billionaire owners are the ones that financed the players moves and helped pay their ridiculous salaries.

Personally I think they should both help pay the clubs non playing staff, rather than furlough them...

It’s dead simple... have a read of Wayne Rooney in the Times to see how out of touch this prat is...

This Wayne Rooney? He and his mate Kyle (hello can I order two sex workers) Walker had a meet with their families.

[Link]

Edited by Badger11 (06 Apr 2020 7.47am)

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Dubai Eagle 06 Apr 20 8.42am
in that Sunderland till I die program - 2nd series I think - one of the bits of information that came up on a slide was something like - Players salary - Average Prem £64,000 per week - Average Championship £14,000 per week, Average League 1 - £2000.00 per week. It was being used to illustrate the problems of clubs who get relegated with players on their payroll who dont have relegation clauses in their contracts. (especially if you get relegated two seasons running)
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in that Sunderland till I die program - 2nd series I think - one of the bits of information that came up on a slide was something like -

Players salary -
Average Prem £64,000 per week -
Average Championship £14,000 per week,
Average League 1 - £2000.00 per week.

It was being used to illustrate the problems of clubs who get relegated with players on their payroll who dont have relegation clauses in their contracts.
(especially if you get relegated two seasons running)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Apr 20 9.52am
Originally posted by Badger11 This Wayne Rooney? He and his mate Kyle (hello can I order two sex workers) Walker had a meet with their families. [Link] Edited by Badger11 (06 Apr 2020 7.47am) Manchester City and England defender Walker apologised over the weekend for inviting two escorts to his home while he had a friend round his flat. One of the escorts, Louise McNamara, 21, told The Sun: 'Kyle really should know better. 'On the one hand he's inviting strangers round to his house for sex and the next day he's lecturing everyone on the need to stay safe.' Walker, who has 48 England caps, has apologised for the incident. He said: 'I want to take this opportunity to issue a public apology for the choices I made last week. Lol. The sex worker says he should know better but she went to his house and that’s ok. 2 is ok. 3 isn’t I assume. Did they come as a pair. Oops. Sorry. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 06 Apr 20 9.52am

Originally posted by Badger11

This Wayne Rooney? He and his mate Kyle (hello can I order two sex workers) Walker had a meet with their families.

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Edited by Badger11 (06 Apr 2020 7.47am)

Manchester City and England defender Walker apologised over the weekend for inviting two escorts to his home while he had a friend round his flat.

One of the escorts, Louise McNamara, 21, told The Sun: 'Kyle really should know better.

'On the one hand he's inviting strangers round to his house for sex and the next day he's lecturing everyone on the need to stay safe.'

Walker, who has 48 England caps, has apologised for the incident.

He said: 'I want to take this opportunity to issue a public apology for the choices I made last week.

Lol. The sex worker says he should know better but she went to his house and that’s ok. 2 is ok. 3 isn’t I assume. Did they come as a pair. Oops. Sorry.

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Apr 20 10.55am
[Link] Some football clubs really are months away from serious problems. This is why the players need to take a pay cut, not to fund the nhs, or to claim their tax won’t go to the nhs which it could another way. I suspect they’d like to find out exactly what’s happening with this season and next season and how much the clubs have lost. It really doesn’t look good all this stalling. COYP
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Some football clubs really are months away from serious problems. This is why the players need to take a pay cut, not to fund the nhs, or to claim their tax won’t go to the nhs which it could another way.

I suspect they’d like to find out exactly what’s happening with this season and next season and how much the clubs have lost. It really doesn’t look good all this stalling.

COYP

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