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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 23 Sep 16 2.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Don't bother voting then as when I conscientiously (for the love of my family's future) bother to care and ask serious questions, I tend to receive insightful responses....however such substance is ALTOGETHER different from politically biased tabloids whose owners skimp upon corporate tax courtesy of ...our Govt! He doesn't 'get' the references to bandanas. Do you feel silly now?
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banbandanas Birmingham 23 Sep 16 3.12pm | |
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Nothing to be ashamed about, the bandana issue is complex.
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Sep 16 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So rather than ruled, the term pervasive ideas among the populace. I quite agree, ideas are definitely prevalent and rise and fall in popularity within society. Personally I find the hyperbole of political correctness gone mad just as annoying as people who throw out racist as a means of engaging in an actual debate. Its the new 'shouting fascist' at anyone who is right wing. I think there is a case for saying that the use of political correctness has probably run its course, now that its become adopted as a means of 'shouting down' rather than opening up discourse. Of course, the term liberal left does really just mean anything that isn't right wing. Following that American trend of the idea that somehow being liberal on an issue (i.e. open to right and left wing arguments towards a pragmatic solution) is somehow a bad thing. Actually it is a reaction to shouting "racist". It is the backlash. So is Donald Trump, UKIP, Le Pen et al.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Sep 16 3.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Actually it is a reaction to shouting "racist". It is the backlash. So is Donald Trump, UKIP, Le Pen et al. I'm not sure about that one, but I get what you mean. Of course, the less cynical side of political correctness is that of people couching their prejudices in more acceptable colours. Of course on the other side you do have people effectively objecting to political correctness for calling them on their racism, homophobic mysognist s**t
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Hoof Hearted 23 Sep 16 3.58pm | |
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Originally posted by banbandanas
Didn't have you down as a bandana-wearer Hoof? No but I rate Eric Bana as an actor.... Troy, Chopper.... great films.
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Hoof Hearted 23 Sep 16 4.00pm | |
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Originally posted by banbandanas
Nothing to be ashamed about, the bandana issue is complex.
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 16 11.30am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I'm not sure about that one, but I get what you mean. Of course, the less cynical side of political correctness is that of people couching their prejudices in more acceptable colours. Of course on the other side you do have people effectively objecting to political correctness for calling them on their racism, homophobic mysognist s**t
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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 24 Sep 16 12.17pm | |
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Originally posted by banbandanas
Nothing to be ashamed about, the bandana issue is complex. Oh come now, it's just a soft nutritious fruit wrapped up in a yellow skin. It ain't rocket science...
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Sep 16 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I think its a bit more complex, as the definition of the 'success of multiculturalism' as a concept is defined by different groups according to their 'agenda'. For me, I'd say the UK is fairly multicultural in that it consists of all manner of different cultures, that for the most part get along, function within society and without conflict. The problem of the most 'militant' multiculturalist movments is that they seem to expect instant change, rather than graduated change and integration, and in pursuing this approach, create greater dissonance by embracing an ideology, over pragmatism - usually by dismissing critical analysis of cultural conflicts rather than focusing on resolution of the conflicts. People who think multiculturalism as a perfect functioning merge are misguided - Cultures by the definition exist in conflict with other cultural views and perceptions. And in targeting specific ideals alienate other cultural groups. A good example of this can be seen in how 'indiscriminately dismissing any criticism of Islam as Islamaphobia, those with reasonable criticisms that need to be addressed in social discourse are by default allied to those which are the product of those that are unfounded, or more cynically the produce of prejudice - and its these kinds of groups like EDL, British first that benefit, because the exclusion of the reasonable disenters and critics by default allies them to less reasonable arguments. Which ironically, is exactly what political correctness as a means of social engineering was devised to prevent.
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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 16 3.52pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I think its a bit more complex, as the definition of the 'success of multiculturalism' as a concept is defined by different groups according to their 'agenda'. For me, I'd say the UK is fairly multicultural in that it consists of all manner of different cultures, that for the most part get along, function within society and without conflict. The problem of the most 'militant' multiculturalist movments is that they seem to expect instant change, rather than graduated change and integration, and in pursuing this approach, create greater dissonance by embracing an ideology, over pragmatism - usually by dismissing critical analysis of cultural conflicts rather than focusing on resolution of the conflicts. People who think multiculturalism as a perfect functioning merge are misguided - Cultures by the definition exist in conflict with other cultural views and perceptions. And in targeting specific ideals alienate other cultural groups. A good example of this can be seen in how 'indiscriminately dismissing any criticism of Islam as Islamaphobia, those with reasonable criticisms that need to be addressed in social discourse are by default allied to those which are the product of those that are unfounded, or more cynically the produce of prejudice - and its these kinds of groups like EDL, British first that benefit, because the exclusion of the reasonable disenters and critics by default allies them to less reasonable arguments. Which ironically, is exactly what political correctness as a means of social engineering was devised to prevent.
The "success" of multicultural should be measured in my view by how it effects the majority. What we see is the pressure toward a multicultural society working against the majority and against opinion.
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banbandanas Birmingham 24 Sep 16 7.10pm | |
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland
Oh come now, it's just a soft nutritious fruit wrapped up in a yellow skin. It ain't rocket science... Slippery
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Kermit8 Hevon 24 Sep 16 8.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The "success" of multicultural should be measured in my view by how it effects the majority. What we see is the pressure toward a multicultural society working against the majority and against opinion. Their own what? Culture? I much prefer some of the foreigners i have met and have more in common with to the, for example, British bigots and Little Englanders, but don't prefer them over the decent, warm and nice people who also happen to be British. Why are 'liberal lefties' or anyone for that matter expected to put "their own" first if an individual or a particular group of 'their own' are cvnts of the highest order but just happen to have the same birthplace? Culturally they would be very different too.
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