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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 10 Sep 16 10.53am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Highest Knife crime offences via police force stats (crimes per 100,000 population) in 2015

Cleveland - 55

Metropolitan Police - 47

Durham - 45

South Yorkshire - 38

Bedfordshire - 38

Lancashire - 37

Northumbria - 37


Not many black faces in Middlesborough/Cleveland last time i went through there.

Edited by Kermit8 (10 Sep 2016 10.54am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Sep 16 11.01am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Bill E Pilgrim

Everyone goes on about stuff being "Politically correct" but I have never heard anyone tell me want it is, other than stuff people who read the Daily Mail, Daily Express, the Telegraph or who look at the pictures in the Sun don't like.

As you have an idea please enlighten me.

Thanks.

You seriously don't know?

Ok the politically correct concept promotes a method of discourse between people where no one gets offended.

If this stayed as it was by itself it isn't a terrible thing.

However, where everything falls apart is when people start to expect this method of discourse to be accepted by everyone and name call and label those who don't follow it. Essentially they try to stop completing ideas.

As we know some ideas offend some people. I'm sure this is true for all of us for some ideas. The difference is some people use political correctness to actually censor ideas.

Some people...by no means the majority....try to shut down debate....start to ban ideas by name calling....try to ban words.....This has been taken up by the media as a means of raising interest and outrage and its been pushed into universities...especially in American... by lefty lecturers and students who wish to control discourse.

The problem is that the PC movement has become successful. Despite not being law the PC concept has led to the closing down of ideas within the public professional forum. For example the respected scientist who was fired for saying that women had issues in the lab. Companies are now scared of anything controversial that goes against PC culture.

The extreme...usually called social justice warriors try to get people sacked and are willing to harass people....For essentially exercising non-violent free speech. start to label others for their non violent views.

From my perspective if a view is non violent obeys the reasonable libel laws then it's free speech and is an important landmark of western civilizations.

Free speech is extremely important and completing ideas must be allowed to be aired. The vast number of ideas should be allowed to exist in the 'market place of ideas' if you will. The popular ones that work taken up by the majority and the bad ones left to wane.

What must be stopped is the move to close down completing non violent ideas because some people are offended.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2016 11.27am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Sep 16 11.10am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Highest Knife crime offences via police force stats (crimes per 100,000 population) in 2015

Cleveland - 55

Metropolitan Police - 47

Durham - 45

South Yorkshire - 38

Bedfordshire - 38

Lancashire - 37

Northumbria - 37


Not many black faces in Middlesborough/Cleveland last time i went through there.

Edited by Kermit8 (10 Sep 2016 10.54am)

Please tell me Kermy that you realise the percentages of the population that different groups make up is an important factor when actually analysing something like this.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Sep 16 11.20am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Australians have referred to us as "Wingeing poms" etc etc .Is this now considered racist ?

I recall years ago reading somewhere (Cannot remember where) someone writing about a car sticker in Australia which read "Grow your own dope, plant a pom".

Edited by Willo (10 Sep 2016 11.20am)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Sep 16 11.21am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Australians have referred to us as "Wingeing poms" etc etc .Is this now considered racist ?

I recall years ago reading somewhere (Cannot remember where) someone writing about a car sticker in Australia which read "Grow your own dope, plant a pom".

Edited by Willo (10 Sep 2016 11.20am)

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 10 Sep 16 11.25am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Please tell me Kermy that you realise the percentages of the population that different groups make up is an important factor when actually analysing something like this.

Of course but if we were to include other parts of the UK like Belfast and Glasgow then no one could deny that the majority of actual knife crime here is committed by whites.

It might be hard for some to take on board that fact. That black people aren't responsible for the majority of stabbings in the UK but it is what it is.

What we would find in the figures is a disproportional aspect knife crime and colour especially in places like urban south London.


 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Sep 16 11.31am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Highest Knife crime offences via police force stats (crimes per 100,000 population) in 2015

Cleveland - 55

Metropolitan Police - 47

Durham - 45

South Yorkshire - 38

Bedfordshire - 38

Lancashire - 37

Northumbria - 37


Not many black faces in Middlesborough/Cleveland last time i went through there.

Edited by Kermit8 (10 Sep 2016 10.54am)

A bit of conjecture on your part Kerm.
The stats that I have seen show a huge disproportion in ethnic street crime relative to the population.
I'm not sure how much I trust statistics in any case, however, if stats were fiddled it would be in favour of minorities I would wager.

It's pointless having these discussions because they are usually driven by the agenda of self interest or political dogma rather than a factual or moral argument. I prefer to trust my own experience.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 10 Sep 16 11.35am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A bit of conjecture on your part Kerm.
The stats that I have seen show a huge disproportion in ethnic street crime relative to the population.
I'm not sure how much I trust statistics in any case, however, if stats were fiddled it would be in favour of minorities I would wager.

It's pointless having these discussions because they are usually driven by the agenda of self interest or political dogma rather than a factual or moral argument. I prefer to trust my own experience.

Well,of course, and if you lived in Mexico all knife men, drugs pushers, etc would not be black and your 'own experience' would tell you that.

However, you live in the UK where the majority of knife crime is committed by whites.

If you just want to refer to South London fair enough. The majority is committed by blacks.


Edited by Kermit8 (10 Sep 2016 11.36am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 10 Sep 16 11.37am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Of course but if we were to include other parts of the UK like Belfast and Glasgow then no one could deny that the majority of actual knife crime here is committed by whites.

It might be hard for some to take on board that fact. That black people aren't responsible for the majority of stabbings in the UK but it is what it is.

What we would find in the figures is a disproportional aspect knife crime and colour especially in places like urban south London.


A large national majority is obviously going to produce the largest figures.

If someone is trying to find out which group as a percentage of population is actually statistically more likely to be violent then it's a different ball game.

That would be the more honest approach.

The reasons why though are more to do with cultural choices amongst the male youth rather than what skin pigment they have. This said we shouldn't shy away from the truth. Also, it's right to say that urban areas equals higher statistics as well regardless of group....partly down to poverty.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2016 11.38am)

 


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Originally posted by Kermit8

Well,of course, and if you lived in Mexico all knife men, drugs pushers, etc would not be black and your 'own experience' would tell you that.

However, you live in the UK where the majority of knife crime is committed by whites.

If you just want to refer to South London fair enough. The majority is committed by blacks.


Edited by Kermit8 (10 Sep 2016 11.36am)


You would expect more white crime in a country where more than 80% of the population are white. It is the proportion of crime we are talking about. You are doing what all the liberal left do on this subject. Avoid reality.

That helps nobody......except commerce.

 

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.TUX. Flag 10 Sep 16 11.50am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Well,of course, and if you lived in Mexico all knife men, drugs pushers, etc would not be black and your 'own experience' would tell you that.

However, you live in the UK where the majority of knife crime is committed by whites.

If you just want to refer to South London fair enough. The majority is committed by blacks.


Edited by Kermit8 (10 Sep 2016 11.36am)

Can't disagree with that but the OP was specifically referring to London.
National statistics are irrelevant.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A large national majority is obviously going to produce the largest figures.

If someone is trying to find out which group as a percentage of population is actually statistically more likely to be violent then it's a different ball game.

That would be the more honest approach.

The reasons why though are more to do with cultural choices amongst the male youth rather than what skin pigment they have. This said we shouldn't shy away from the truth. Also, it's right to say that urban areas equals higher statistics as well regardless of group....partly down to poverty.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2016 11.38am)

Width of a pubic hair between Millwall fans, Glasgow sink-estate kids and black gangsta yoot. A scar-draw if you will.

 


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