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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 23 Nov 15 8.47pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.09am Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 22 Nov 2015 8.26pm It's Christmas the clue is in the name. You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse. It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts. I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised. If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on. The lords prayer has nothing to do with Christmas. We are not a Christian country either (Church and State were separated hundreds of years ago) and how exactly is a prayer an advert, that seems gauche to me. Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach. Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot. I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 23 Nov 15 8.47pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.09am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 22 Nov 2015 8.26pm

It's Christmas the clue is in the name.

You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse.

It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts.

I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised.

If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on.

The lords prayer has nothing to do with Christmas. We are not a Christian country either (Church and State were separated hundreds of years ago) and how exactly is a prayer an advert, that seems gauche to me.

Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach.

Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot.

I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Sportyteacher London 24 Nov 15 5.45am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.11am Quote Sportyteacher at 23 Nov 2015 6.16am Does anybody still go to cinemas these days? Crazily expensive nowadays. Overpriced, and invariably full of very s**t movies devoid of any aesthetic value. But in about six weeks time they'll be ramming them in for the new Star Wars movie. Spot on!
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.11am

Quote Sportyteacher at 23 Nov 2015 6.16am

Does anybody still go to cinemas these days? Crazily expensive nowadays.

Overpriced, and invariably full of very s**t movies devoid of any aesthetic value. But in about six weeks time they'll be ramming them in for the new Star Wars movie.

Spot on!

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Pawson Palace Croydon 24 Nov 15 9.17am
Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 1.34pm Quote Pawson Palace at 23 Nov 2015 1.27pm James O'Brian just smashed it. This is like the church rocking up to a nightclub in trainers and being turned away at the door for it and saying "its cos I iz Christian". The rule was in place WAY before this advert was made. It appears odd that the Cinema Advertising Authority approved it. [Link] James O'Brian has 'smashed' nothing, the champagne socialist. If the above is your type of humour, then may I suggest you emigrate to North Dakota and start listening to Kenny Chesney. I'm a fan of your work good sir. I will say I don't agree with JOB by any stretch of the imagination but you can't deny he is a very intelligent bloke. The point is, the cinema has a long standing precedent of not showing adverts of this nature, so why is the church only kicking off now? Pride of South London Upper Holmesdale Block P
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Pawson Palace

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Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 1.34pm

Quote Pawson Palace at 23 Nov 2015 1.27pm

James O'Brian just smashed it.

This is like the church rocking up to a nightclub in trainers and being turned away at the door for it and saying "its cos I iz Christian".

The rule was in place WAY before this advert was made.

It appears odd that the Cinema Advertising Authority approved it.

[Link]

James O'Brian has 'smashed' nothing, the champagne socialist. If the above is your type of humour, then may I suggest you emigrate to North Dakota and start listening to Kenny Chesney.

I'm a fan of your work good sir.

I will say I don't agree with JOB by any stretch of the imagination but you can't deny he is a very intelligent bloke.

The point is, the cinema has a long standing precedent of not showing adverts of this nature, so why is the church only kicking off now?

Pride of South London
Upper Holmesdale Block P

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matt_himself Matataland 24 Nov 15 9.30am
Quote Pawson Palace at 24 Nov 2015 9.17am Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 1.34pm Quote Pawson Palace at 23 Nov 2015 1.27pm James O'Brian just smashed it. This is like the church rocking up to a nightclub in trainers and being turned away at the door for it and saying "its cos I iz Christian". The rule was in place WAY before this advert was made. It appears odd that the Cinema Advertising Authority approved it. [Link] James O'Brian has 'smashed' nothing, the champagne socialist. If the above is your type of humour, then may I suggest you emigrate to North Dakota and start listening to Kenny Chesney. I'm a fan of your work good sir. I will say I don't agree with JOB by any stretch of the imagination but you can't deny he is a very intelligent bloke. The point is, the cinema has a long standing precedent of not showing adverts of this nature, so why is the church only kicking off now? I think JOB is a typical media whore, forcing feeding empty platitudes to grateful retards, who think they are being elevated to a higher intellectual level by absorbing his bun gravy. In terms of what he does, he is latest in a long line of aural s*e purveyors, who include James Whale, Gary fing Bushell and Ceaser the b*** Geezer. With regards to the Church, on the programme that is on after Andrew Marr on Sunday, where they normally roll out s* munchers of the quality of Amanda Platell or Owen b****** Jones, a COE vicar said they were annoyed because the cinema group was in advanced discussions with them over the screening of the adverts, to a stage where hey we're discussing discounts, only for the 'ban' to be suddenly applied. Therein appears to lie the problem. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 24 Nov 15 9.30am

Quote Pawson Palace at 24 Nov 2015 9.17am

Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 1.34pm

Quote Pawson Palace at 23 Nov 2015 1.27pm

James O'Brian just smashed it.

This is like the church rocking up to a nightclub in trainers and being turned away at the door for it and saying "its cos I iz Christian".

The rule was in place WAY before this advert was made.

It appears odd that the Cinema Advertising Authority approved it.

[Link]

James O'Brian has 'smashed' nothing, the champagne socialist. If the above is your type of humour, then may I suggest you emigrate to North Dakota and start listening to Kenny Chesney.

I'm a fan of your work good sir.

I will say I don't agree with JOB by any stretch of the imagination but you can't deny he is a very intelligent bloke.

The point is, the cinema has a long standing precedent of not showing adverts of this nature, so why is the church only kicking off now?

I think JOB is a typical media whore, forcing feeding empty platitudes to grateful retards, who think they are being elevated to a higher intellectual level by absorbing his bun gravy. In terms of what he does, he is latest in a long line of aural s***e purveyors, who include James Whale, Gary f***ing Bushell and Ceaser the b****** Geezer.

With regards to the Church, on the programme that is on after Andrew Marr on Sunday, where they normally roll out s*** munchers of the quality of Amanda Platell or Owen b****** Jones, a COE vicar said they were annoyed because the cinema group was in advanced discussions with them over the screening of the adverts, to a stage where hey we're discussing discounts, only for the 'ban' to be suddenly applied. Therein appears to lie the problem.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 15 10.13am
Quote pefwin at 23 Nov 2015 8.47pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.09am Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 22 Nov 2015 8.26pm It's Christmas the clue is in the name. You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse. It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts. I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised. If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on. The lords prayer has nothing to do with Christmas. We are not a Christian country either (Church and State were separated hundreds of years ago) and how exactly is a prayer an advert, that seems gauche to me. Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach. Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot. I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion. Actually the head of the state religion is the monarch, not the prime minister, who effectively is the head of state. The monarchy's state power is ceremonial, with very few constitutional powers. The House of Commons and the House of Lords represent the apparatus of state and governance in the UK. The only power the monarch really holds is to dissolve parliament, in theory. In reality that would essentially mean the end of the monarchy. The Queen and future kings only hold a theoretical power in terms of state, a left over relic of a feudal time. Even the establishment of the State Religion, the Church of England, was essentially a means of breaking the Religious authorities influence over the country. The CoE was formed effectively as a means of delivering the power of Church, in the Church and state equation, to the state. We're a secular nation, we have been for a very long time. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 24 Nov 15 10.13am

Quote pefwin at 23 Nov 2015 8.47pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 10.09am

Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 22 Nov 2015 8.26pm

It's Christmas the clue is in the name.

You can stick your coca cola Christmas up your arse.

It is unbelievable that leading up to Christmas something as simple as the Lords Prayer is not allowed to be advertised but everyone creams their pants over Waitrose / John Lewis whatever adverts.

I am not religious but we are a Christian country, why shouldn't the Lord's Prayer be advertised.

If it's that big a deal go buy a kiaora whilst it's on.

Should religion even be advertising - what is it selling? This gods is for you? The Unreal thing, St Julian, reaches the spiritual parts other saints cannot reach.

Rather absurd, and it demeans the nature and essence of Religion to advertise in a commercial spot.

I think you will find we are not a secular country and that our Head of State is also the Head of the State Religion.

Actually the head of the state religion is the monarch, not the prime minister, who effectively is the head of state. The monarchy's state power is ceremonial, with very few constitutional powers.

The House of Commons and the House of Lords represent the apparatus of state and governance in the UK. The only power the monarch really holds is to dissolve parliament, in theory. In reality that would essentially mean the end of the monarchy. The Queen and future kings only hold a theoretical power in terms of state, a left over relic of a feudal time.

Even the establishment of the State Religion, the Church of England, was essentially a means of breaking the Religious authorities influence over the country. The CoE was formed effectively as a means of delivering the power of Church, in the Church and state equation, to the state.

We're a secular nation, we have been for a very long time.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 15 10.17am
I don't really see a problem with it, truth be told, although it would open the floodgate to all manner of political and religious advertising. As long as the groups pay for the placements, and abide by advertising standards and regulations of the assorted cinema chains. Its when people kick off, because they are affected by the legitimate laws rules and regulations that apply to everyone else that it becomes a problem. I look forward to seeing all manner of religious groups targeting audiences, it'll make a change to the capitalist propaganda that is advertising and marketing. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 24 Nov 15 10.17am

I don't really see a problem with it, truth be told, although it would open the floodgate to all manner of political and religious advertising. As long as the groups pay for the placements, and abide by advertising standards and regulations of the assorted cinema chains.

Its when people kick off, because they are affected by the legitimate laws rules and regulations that apply to everyone else that it becomes a problem.

I look forward to seeing all manner of religious groups targeting audiences, it'll make a change to the capitalist propaganda that is advertising and marketing.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Dweeb East London 24 Nov 15 10.51am
Surely you go to a church if you want to hear prayers and stuff. Personally I go to a cinema to be entertained, not have someones's religion thrust on me. Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013
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Dweeb

East London 24 Nov 15 10.51am

Surely you go to a church if you want to hear prayers and stuff.

Personally I go to a cinema to be entertained, not have someones's religion thrust on me.

Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again

Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013

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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Nov 15 11.28am
Quote Dweeb at 24 Nov 2015 10.51am Surely you go to a church if you want to hear prayers and stuff. Personally I go to a cinema to be entertained, not have someones's religion thrust on me. Well arguably its an advert, which by definition is aimed at a very similar outcome, when you think about it. Whether actually marketing the 'Christian Brand' is any more ethical or moral than marketing the 'Nike' brand is a different question maybe. I'm looking forward to the nihilist advert, a black screen, with the work, Ah f**k it, why not? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Dweeb at 24 Nov 2015 10.51am

Surely you go to a church if you want to hear prayers and stuff.

Personally I go to a cinema to be entertained, not have someones's religion thrust on me.

Well arguably its an advert, which by definition is aimed at a very similar outcome, when you think about it.

Whether actually marketing the 'Christian Brand' is any more ethical or moral than marketing the 'Nike' brand is a different question maybe.

I'm looking forward to the nihilist advert, a black screen, with the work, Ah f**k it, why not?

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stuk Top half 24 Nov 15 12.12pm
Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 6.43pm Quote Stuk at 23 Nov 2015 4.25pm Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 4.21pm Quote Stuk at 23 Nov 2015 3.35pm Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 1.34pm Quote Pawson Palace at 23 Nov 2015 1.27pm James O'Brian just smashed it. This is like the church rocking up to a nightclub in trainers and being turned away at the door for it and saying "its cos I iz Christian". The rule was in place WAY before this advert was made. It appears odd that the Cinema Advertising Authority approved it. [Link] James O'Brian has 'smashed' nothing, the champagne socialist. If the above is your type of humour, then may I suggest you emigrate to North Dakota and start listening to Kenny Chesney. So what? That doesn't oblige cinemas to show it. tshepp897 and topcat summed it up best for me. The two organisations appear at odds and are sending out conflicting messages. That is all. The two organisations are independent. One decides what can or can't be banned from any cinema, the other decides what it does and doesn't want to show in it's cinemas. Same as any TV channel. Just because someone makes an advert, you don't have to take their money and show it on your channel. What you say in paragraph one appears to state that both organisations do the same thing but you have used different semantics to describe their roles. No. To put in to TV terms. The first lot are the ASA and the second lot are ITV (or any other channel). The ASA can approve any advert but the TV channels are not obliged to show them. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 24 Nov 15 12.12pm

Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 6.43pm

Quote Stuk at 23 Nov 2015 4.25pm

Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 4.21pm

Quote Stuk at 23 Nov 2015 3.35pm

Quote matt_himself at 23 Nov 2015 1.34pm

Quote Pawson Palace at 23 Nov 2015 1.27pm

James O'Brian just smashed it.

This is like the church rocking up to a nightclub in trainers and being turned away at the door for it and saying "its cos I iz Christian".

The rule was in place WAY before this advert was made.

It appears odd that the Cinema Advertising Authority approved it.

[Link]

James O'Brian has 'smashed' nothing, the champagne socialist. If the above is your type of humour, then may I suggest you emigrate to North Dakota and start listening to Kenny Chesney.

So what? That doesn't oblige cinemas to show it.

tshepp897 and topcat summed it up best for me.

The two organisations appear at odds and are sending out conflicting messages.

That is all.

The two organisations are independent. One decides what can or can't be banned from any cinema, the other decides what it does and doesn't want to show in it's cinemas.

Same as any TV channel. Just because someone makes an advert, you don't have to take their money and show it on your channel.

What you say in paragraph one appears to state that both organisations do the same thing but you have used different semantics to describe their roles.

No. To put in to TV terms. The first lot are the ASA and the second lot are ITV (or any other channel).

The ASA can approve any advert but the TV channels are not obliged to show them.

Optimistic as ever

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sa_eagle Just outside Cape Town 24 Nov 15 12.26pm
Quote OldFella at 22 Nov 2015 11.03am Quote Catfish at 22 Nov 2015 10.52am As an atheist I am also uncomfortable with this. Provided that both religious and humanist messages can be conveyed by the same media then I can't see the problem. I would be interested to know whether Christian evangelists would support other religious sects who want to publicise their message in the same way. I'm an atheist also - but my opinion differs. Why should we be "force fed" religion on an afternoon/evening out at the cinema? I wonder whether anyone would have walked out of this concert having taken offence at Bowie "force feeding" religion upon them? No of course not! It's not religious or offensive in the same way that the natural and immediate response of millions of rational human beings after the Paris tragedy was to express love and support with the "Pray For Paris" hashtag. It wasn't religion, it was a natural, humane and compassionate response! Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!
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Just outside Cape Town 24 Nov 15 12.26pm

Quote OldFella at 22 Nov 2015 11.03am

Quote Catfish at 22 Nov 2015 10.52am

As an atheist I am also uncomfortable with this. Provided that both religious and humanist messages can be conveyed by the same media then I can't see the problem. I would be interested to know whether Christian evangelists would support other religious sects who want to publicise their message in the same way.

I'm an atheist also - but my opinion differs. Why should we be "force fed" religion on an afternoon/evening out at the cinema?

I wonder whether anyone would have walked out of this concert having taken offence at Bowie "force feeding" religion upon them? No of course not!

It's not religious or offensive in the same way that the natural and immediate response of millions of rational human beings after the Paris tragedy was to express love and support with the "Pray For Paris" hashtag. It wasn't religion, it was a natural, humane and compassionate response!

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

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Hrolf The Ganger 24 Nov 15 12.32pm
The fact that we are having a discussion like this in 2015 is depressing. Anything that helps consign religious mumbo jumbo to the dark ages were it belongs is a positive move as far as I'm concerned.
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The fact that we are having a discussion like this in 2015 is depressing. Anything that helps consign religious mumbo jumbo to the dark ages were it belongs is a positive move as far as I'm concerned.

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masonic_palace Gatport Airwick 24 Nov 15 12.52pm
I await this protest outside my local Cineworld Attachment: down with this sort of thing.JPG (43.37Kb) 404 Signature Not Found
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