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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 06 Nov 15 3.12pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Nov 2015 2.48pm
Quote johnfirewall at 06 Nov 2015 1.35pm
"It was meant to be a peaceful protest but the police came with horses, meat wagons and helicopters" This is the sort of mentality we're dealing with. Doesn't actually seem that there was a lot of trouble though, three arrests and three policemen injured. Not even a Friday night in town.
The hands off approach adopted in recent years has failed miserably
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OllieMaidstoneEagle Maidstone, Kent 06 Nov 15 4.41pm | |
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Says it all,great lyrics! [Link] Ollie's Dad,Ash
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sydtheeagle England 06 Nov 15 6.48pm | |
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Quote johnfirewall at 06 Nov 2015 11.55am
I thought they were supposed to be 'pro democracy' but you'd be excused for not knowing what their point is when they don't have a clue. Reading the website I really struggle to make sense of it. It seems to surround revolt and upsetting the system I can only presume for the sake of anarchy's as there's no reference to a better system. It really annoys me when everyone has their own justification for behaving like a cnut and cumulatively manage to legitimise it on the grounds of everything the government has done from Iraq to 'raping' dead pigs. Then you've got the alleged police cover-ups of 70s abuse making them fair game too. This seems to be the format for most protests going back to the 2011 riots. Any excuse. I'd guess the end goal is to undermine the police further by provoking a heavy-handed response. This obviously mobilises more protesters and validates any ideas of oppression. The media seems to be another focus but that goes back to anti capitalism and Murdoch owning x% of outlets. It's ironic that we've never had more choice of source than we've had now. There's too much self righteous bulls*** where hating anyone with money or power is seen as honourable. Most the time it's about as senseless as blaming immigrants for everything. As one the board's default left wingers, can I say that I couldn't agree with you more. Inarticulate anger serves very little purpose and that website is as inarticulate as they come. The left is sorely in need of new ideas, weighed down as it by unimaginative (if not entirely wrong) Corbyn-like regurgitations on one extreme to kindergarten anarchists like this on the other. The failure of the left has not been entirely ideological but rather it has been a failure to develop a viable alternative form of social democracy since the discrediting of Marxism as a viable basis for a system of government (at least taken literally). Until the left generates some serious, innovative thought I am afraid that opposition is left in the hands of idiots who offer little but disruption for the sake of it. If those of us on the left aren't prepared to call a spade a digging implement then we're part of the problem, not the solution.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 06 Nov 15 9.25pm | |
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Some of Anonymous are not so anonymous now
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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 06 Nov 15 10.34pm | |
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Any protest against the current system is to be applauded.
Time to move forward together. |
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 06 Nov 15 11.04pm | |
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Quote -TUX- at 06 Nov 2015 10.34pm
Any protest against the current system is to be applauded.
"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit |
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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Nov 15 11.13pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 06 Nov 2015 6.48pm
Quote johnfirewall at 06 Nov 2015 11.55am
I thought they were supposed to be 'pro democracy' but you'd be excused for not knowing what their point is when they don't have a clue. Reading the website I really struggle to make sense of it. It seems to surround revolt and upsetting the system I can only presume for the sake of anarchy's as there's no reference to a better system. It really annoys me when everyone has their own justification for behaving like a cnut and cumulatively manage to legitimise it on the grounds of everything the government has done from Iraq to 'raping' dead pigs. Then you've got the alleged police cover-ups of 70s abuse making them fair game too. This seems to be the format for most protests going back to the 2011 riots. Any excuse. I'd guess the end goal is to undermine the police further by provoking a heavy-handed response. This obviously mobilises more protesters and validates any ideas of oppression. The media seems to be another focus but that goes back to anti capitalism and Murdoch owning x% of outlets. It's ironic that we've never had more choice of source than we've had now. There's too much self righteous bulls*** where hating anyone with money or power is seen as honourable. Most the time it's about as senseless as blaming immigrants for everything. As one the board's default left wingers, can I say that I couldn't agree with you more. Inarticulate anger serves very little purpose and that website is as inarticulate as they come. The left is sorely in need of new ideas, weighed down as it by unimaginative (if not entirely wrong) Corbyn-like regurgitations on one extreme to kindergarten anarchists like this on the other. The failure of the left has not been entirely ideological but rather it has been a failure to develop a viable alternative form of social democracy since the discrediting of Marxism as a viable basis for a system of government (at least taken literally). Until the left generates some serious, innovative thought I am afraid that opposition is left in the hands of idiots who offer little but disruption for the sake of it. If those of us on the left aren't prepared to call a spade a digging implement then we're part of the problem, not the solution.
Of course I have to also point out that if you feel Marxism has been discredited because of 20th century attempts at pursuing it, then you clearly haven't read any Marx, which was as strictly anti-authoritarian as it was egalitarian, speaking more about liberating workers from long hour wage labour and providing a social means by which we could feel more free to act as we pleased without concern for our material wellbeing. But that's another thread entirely. As for the protest, live and let live, it's mainly symbolic anyway, and stop getting so offended if some kids chase down a sports car, that sh*t happens all the time.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Nov 15 12.14am | |
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Lazy bunch of ne'er do wells all middle class benders. You mark my words give it a few years and most will be lawyers, bankers and HOL Moderators......
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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 07 Nov 15 9.26am | |
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As soon as these people break off from their "protest" and start attacking those who they consider to be better off or more wealthy, it demonstrates how thin the line is between (self) righteous indignation and simple jealousy. Some aspects of capitalism are indeed distasteful, but just cast your eye round the modern world and consider the alternatives. Edited by palace_in_frogland (07 Nov 2015 9.28am)
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Murray's the man round ear 07 Nov 15 9.44am | |
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Quote Mr Fenandes at 06 Nov 2015 12.05pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 06 Nov 2015 12.00pm
Quote Mr Fenandes at 06 Nov 2015 11.28am
Must be really comfortable waking up every morning, reading whatever your rag of choice is and going "yep, that's 100% my opinion. Glad I don't have to look in to this any further as all the information I need is right here" and carrying that around with you all day.
Act like a thug and don't be surprised if people take exception. How do you think the person in the car felt? flashing lights (probably very difficult to see) and surrounded by masked protagonists who were tring to stop them form leaving? Go on justify what they were doing It was a small minority, and on top of that some were goaded to a ridiculous degree. You've never seen an over zealous steward, constantly provoking and provoking and then when they get a reaction, call in all their buddies for help? Justifying; no. But lets give it a fair analysis no? And again I bring you back to the football comparative, how did you feel being tarred with the "football hooligan" brush? You know it happens, the pictures in the papers are damning, how do you defend yourself?
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johnfirewall 08 Nov 15 2.09pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Nov 2015 2.42pm
Quote johnfirewall at 06 Nov 2015 1.25pm
The other focus of the protest seems to be 'class war'. When did everyone start to care so much about 'the poor'? When they had someone to blame for it rather than actually doing something to help, that's when. Makes me grateful for the Facebook friends who are poor and just get on with it even if they are on the dole. When I was about 16 I think, seemed unfair that some people worked hard all their life and got next to nothing in return. Did you ever take a step back and look at why you weren't one of them? If you've got a nice car they'll try to smash it but blame everyone else for being poor. Have any of these idiots ever looked up to anyone who's done well? Even the likes of Lord Sugar are scum to them. I saw some 2-bob comedian's quote suggesting that doleites contribute the most because all their money goes towards the tax on fags and booze. Overall the message stinks and says "why bother?". Edited by johnfirewall (08 Nov 2015 2.11pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 08 Nov 15 6.37pm | |
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Quote johnfirewall at 08 Nov 2015 2.09pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Nov 2015 2.42pm
Quote johnfirewall at 06 Nov 2015 1.25pm
The other focus of the protest seems to be 'class war'. When did everyone start to care so much about 'the poor'? When they had someone to blame for it rather than actually doing something to help, that's when. Makes me grateful for the Facebook friends who are poor and just get on with it even if they are on the dole. When I was about 16 I think, seemed unfair that some people worked hard all their life and got next to nothing in return. Did you ever take a step back and look at why you weren't one of them? If you've got a nice car they'll try to smash it but blame everyone else for being poor. Have any of these idiots ever looked up to anyone who's done well? Even the likes of Lord Sugar are scum to them. I saw some 2-bob comedian's quote suggesting that doleites contribute the most because all their money goes towards the tax on fags and booze. Overall the message stinks and says "why bother?". Edited by johnfirewall (08 Nov 2015 2.11pm) I think the comedian in question was making a point that they ended up paying more tax than Amazon did, it was a joke.
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