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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Oct 15 8.22pm
Quote leifandersonshair at 30 Oct 2015 6.12pm Immigration is not the main problem. It is a contributory factor, true, but the main problem is an aging population. UK population may rise to 74 million by 2039- by 2030 average UK life expectancy will be over 85 for men, and over 87 for women. THIS is a much bigger problem. Essentially, a much larger number of people will be drawing state pensions and using the NHS more frequently for a much longer period. Not sure where the answer to this lies, barring some sort of Logan's Run style carousel for the over 75's... Ridiculous. So you want to die young do you ? Living a long life is not a "problem" it is a welcome symptom of a better standard of living. The problem, is not making adequate provision for an aging population. Trust me, over crowding will be a much bigger problem.
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Quote leifandersonshair at 30 Oct 2015 6.12pm

Immigration is not the main problem. It is a contributory factor, true, but the main problem is an aging population. UK population may rise to 74 million by 2039- by 2030 average UK life expectancy will be over 85 for men, and over 87 for women. THIS is a much bigger problem. Essentially, a much larger number of people will be drawing state pensions and using the NHS more frequently for a much longer period.

Not sure where the answer to this lies, barring some sort of Logan's Run style carousel for the over 75's...

Ridiculous. So you want to die young do you ?

Living a long life is not a "problem" it is a welcome symptom of a better standard of living. The problem, is not making adequate provision for an aging population.

Trust me, over crowding will be a much bigger problem.

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 30 Oct 15 8.58pm
UK Population to hit 74 Million by 2039 Create more towns/better infrastructure. We have the room. It's that or 'Logans Run'. Time to move forward together.
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UK Population to hit 74 Million by 2039

Create more towns/better infrastructure. We have the room.
It's that or 'Logans Run'.

Time to move forward together.

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Stirlingsays 30 Oct 15 11.57pm
Quote -TUX- at 30 Oct 2015 8.58pm UK Population to hit 74 Million by 2039 Create more towns/better infrastructure. We have the room. It's that or 'Logans Run'. Dream on. Where exactly is this room, name the 'new town' areas? Who's going to pay for it? We need plenty. It's 'Logan's Run'. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Oct 2015 12.10am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Oct 15 11.57pm

Quote -TUX- at 30 Oct 2015 8.58pm

UK Population to hit 74 Million by 2039

Create more towns/better infrastructure. We have the room.
It's that or 'Logans Run'.

Dream on.

Where exactly is this room, name the 'new town' areas? Who's going to pay for it? We need plenty.

It's 'Logan's Run'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Oct 2015 12.10am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 31 Oct 15 12.02am
Quote leifandersonshair at 30 Oct 2015 6.12pm Immigration is not the main problem. It is a contributory factor, true, but the main problem is an aging population. UK population may rise to 74 million by 2039- by 2030 average UK life expectancy will be over 85 for men, and over 87 for women. THIS is a much bigger problem. Essentially, a much larger number of people will be drawing state pensions and using the NHS more frequently for a much longer period. Not sure where the answer to this lies, barring some sort of Logan's Run style carousel for the over 75's... They won't be drawing pensions the like of anything you see today mate.....I'm quite sure of that. A basic grasp of economics and population percentage tells you that. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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31 Oct 15 12.02am

Quote leifandersonshair at 30 Oct 2015 6.12pm

Not sure where the answer to this lies, barring some sort of Logan's Run style carousel for the over 75's...

They won't be drawing pensions the like of anything you see today mate.....I'm quite sure of that.

A basic grasp of economics and population percentage tells you that.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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oldcodger 31 Oct 15 2.03am
Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 7.42pm Quote oldcodger at 30 Oct 2015 6.09pm The poll show that we very much view the world as our oyster, but when the shoe is on the other foot we suddenly have reservations. I agree though, that allowing working and studying without full freedom or movement is a fair response to the immigration issue. The current problem I feel is that, although political parties claim to hold the same immigration concerns as the population, behind closed doors they're happy about it so little will change. Edited by oldcodger (30 Oct 2015 6.09pm) Yep I agree on all of these points. Basically interest in political current affairs is like having an active attraction to mild cynical depression. Haha, that about sums it up.
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Quote oldcodger at 30 Oct 2015 6.09pm

The poll show that we very much view the world as our oyster, but when the shoe is on the other foot we suddenly have reservations.

I agree though, that allowing working and studying without full freedom or movement is a fair response to the immigration issue. The current problem I feel is that, although political parties claim to hold the same immigration concerns as the population, behind closed doors they're happy about it so little will change.

Edited by oldcodger (30 Oct 2015 6.09pm)

Yep I agree on all of these points.

Basically interest in political current affairs is like having an active attraction to mild cynical depression.

Haha, that about sums it up.

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Hoof Hearted 31 Oct 15 9.32am
Nobody seems to have commented in depth on the "problems" I highlighted in my opening post. Housing - where will all these people go? We need to complete more projects like DIY SOS did last week. Re-build/upgrade Victorian terraced streets and convert disused pubs etc for flats/apartments. We'll need to build upwards (sadly) but ensure they never become ghettos where old people are afraid to venture out. Building on green belt land must only be an option when everywhere else has been built upon. Farmland will be precious and consideration given to reconverting golf courses/race courses back to agricultural use. People that have gardens to be given grants to provide food for the nation on a commercial basis. More use of individual solar panels and smaller wind generation devices. 74 Million people will require a lot of energy every day. Water will be precious and thought given to reducing waste. Storage of rainwater efficiently (or treated sewage) to provide the means to flush toilets rather than wasting fresh drinking water on this task. There's a lot to think about for the whole world, but if the present trend continues, the UK will become one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Forget about the economic effects of immigration, good or bad.... the actual practical effect of mass immigration will bring the UK to a juddering halt as it's basic infrastructure struggles to cope.
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Hoof Hearted 31 Oct 15 9.32am

Nobody seems to have commented in depth on the "problems" I highlighted in my opening post.

Housing - where will all these people go?

We need to complete more projects like DIY SOS did last week. Re-build/upgrade Victorian terraced streets and convert disused pubs etc for flats/apartments. We'll need to build upwards (sadly) but ensure they never become ghettos where old people are afraid to venture out.

Building on green belt land must only be an option when everywhere else has been built upon. Farmland will be precious and consideration given to reconverting golf courses/race courses back to agricultural use. People that have gardens to be given grants to provide food for the nation on a commercial basis.

More use of individual solar panels and smaller wind generation devices. 74 Million people will require a lot of energy every day.

Water will be precious and thought given to reducing waste. Storage of rainwater efficiently (or treated sewage) to provide the means to flush toilets rather than wasting fresh drinking water on this task.

There's a lot to think about for the whole world, but if the present trend continues, the UK will become one of the most densely populated countries in the world.

Forget about the economic effects of immigration, good or bad.... the actual practical effect of mass immigration will bring the UK to a juddering halt as it's basic infrastructure struggles to cope.

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 15 2.29pm
Quote -TUX- at 30 Oct 2015 8.58pm UK Population to hit 74 Million by 2039 Create more towns/better infrastructure. We have the room. It's that or 'Logans Run'. Great. Just what we need, more towns. Holds head in hands in despair. It is about quality of life and it's erosion by putting more and more people in a finite space. What we need to do is recognise the benefits of living on an island and how we should use that advantage to limit people coming here. And they will come
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Quote -TUX- at 30 Oct 2015 8.58pm

UK Population to hit 74 Million by 2039

Create more towns/better infrastructure. We have the room.
It's that or 'Logans Run'.

Great. Just what we need, more towns.

Holds head in hands in despair.

It is about quality of life and it's erosion by putting more and more people in a finite space.

What we need to do is recognise the benefits of living on an island and how we should use that advantage to limit people coming here. And they will come

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jamiemartin721 Reading 31 Oct 15 3.05pm
Quote rob1969 at 30 Oct 2015 5.30pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Oct 2015 1.29pm Quote stevegood at 30 Oct 2015 1.19pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 30 Oct 2015 12.13pm Quote rob1969 at 30 Oct 2015 10.42am As I, mentioned in an earlier thread, - This is a major reason why the UK does not need more, large scale, immigration as our existing population is growing. Germany and France that have declining birth rates and whose population is predicted to decline over the same period as the UK's grows and therefore immigrants are needed to help counter these projected declines. The UK will by then have the biggest population of any EU country. England, in particular, will also have by far the densest population given that its land mass is so much smaller than both Germany and France. Edited by rob1969 (30 Oct 2015 10.47am) Immigration isn't the problem for the UK, or any country, its when its rate of immigration greatly eclipses the rate of emigration (which is the current problem of the UK). Indeed if you have high emigration you generally will have serious problems if you don't counter that with immigration (quite possibly this would be worse than immigration in terms of economic impact on the UK). Of course immigration increases the problem, the rate of increase in the population would be less without them. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise. Did you read past the first line? The issue isn't immigration, its the imbalance between immigration and emigration. Around 125,000 UK citizens leave the UK each year, around another 125,000 people leave the UK each year, and around half a million migrate to the UK. If for example you had 125,000 people leaving the UK each year, without balancing that, you could face more serious economic impacts than high immigration. The problem is the imbalance between the two (those coming to the UK and those leaving the UK). Indeed if you suddenly 'revoked' the EU right to travel, the country would probably face an economic crisis as result of the impact (you'd have to graduate the change to avoid serious impacts on the housing market and the knock on effects this would have on businesses in high immigration areas). So that's where I sit, immigration to the UK needs to be in balance with emigration from the UK. Well we can hardly control emigration, so, we can only 'balance' the population by controlling immigration. Well yeah you could, but ultimately I agree with you that immigration for employment needs to be controlled. Essentially its served the corporate interests far to long, at the cost of social impact. We need to redistribute the unemployed of the UK to fill jobs that migrant EU workers are filling, and force companys to pay real wages rather than undermining supply from abroad. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote rob1969 at 30 Oct 2015 10.42am

As I, mentioned in an earlier thread, - This is a major reason why the UK does not need more, large scale, immigration as our existing population is growing. Germany and France that have declining birth rates and whose population is predicted to decline over the same period as the UK's grows and therefore immigrants are needed to help counter these projected declines.
The UK will by then have the biggest population of any EU country. England, in particular, will also have by far the densest population given that its land mass is so much smaller than both Germany and France.

Edited by rob1969 (30 Oct 2015 10.47am)

Immigration isn't the problem for the UK, or any country, its when its rate of immigration greatly eclipses the rate of emigration (which is the current problem of the UK). Indeed if you have high emigration you generally will have serious problems if you don't counter that with immigration (quite possibly this would be worse than immigration in terms of economic impact on the UK).

Of course immigration increases the problem, the rate of increase in the population would be less without them. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise.

Did you read past the first line? The issue isn't immigration, its the imbalance between immigration and emigration. Around 125,000 UK citizens leave the UK each year, around another 125,000 people leave the UK each year, and around half a million migrate to the UK.

If for example you had 125,000 people leaving the UK each year, without balancing that, you could face more serious economic impacts than high immigration.

The problem is the imbalance between the two (those coming to the UK and those leaving the UK). Indeed if you suddenly 'revoked' the EU right to travel, the country would probably face an economic crisis as result of the impact (you'd have to graduate the change to avoid serious impacts on the housing market and the knock on effects this would have on businesses in high immigration areas).

So that's where I sit, immigration to the UK needs to be in balance with emigration from the UK.

Well we can hardly control emigration, so, we can only 'balance' the population by controlling immigration.

Well yeah you could, but ultimately I agree with you that immigration for employment needs to be controlled. Essentially its served the corporate interests far to long, at the cost of social impact. We need to redistribute the unemployed of the UK to fill jobs that migrant EU workers are filling, and force companys to pay real wages rather than undermining supply from abroad.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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farms Thailand / England 31 Oct 15 5.09pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 30 Oct 2015 5.59pm Quote farms at 30 Oct 2015 3.31pm The types of people like Nick and Legal will be happy , the younger people just do not understand they are the future and what is this country going to be like for there children and there grand children . But they are the destroyers as well . Have pride in your country and vote UKIP . I vote Ukip at the moment, they aren't ideal....They only stand up for the working class as a voting ruse....but they still seem to be the only party that really gives a feck about British culture in this country. [/ To which I agree .
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Quote farms at 30 Oct 2015 3.31pm

The types of people like Nick and Legal will be happy , the younger people just do not understand they are the future and what is this country going to be like for there children and there grand children . But they are the destroyers as well . Have pride in your country and vote UKIP .

I vote Ukip at the moment, they aren't ideal....They only stand up for the working class as a voting ruse....but they still seem to be the only party that really gives a feck about British culture in this country. [/
To which I agree .

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Oct 15 6.35pm
When are people going to realise immigration doesn't cause a strain on service, governmental policy does, if you starve services of funds and fail to invest in infrastructure an increase in population will obviously be a problem. The biggest migrant issue is that of foreign corporations who happily dance through countries, taking their cut and moving on, leaving the rest of the population poor and divided.
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Shizzlehurst 31 Oct 15 6.35pm

When are people going to realise immigration doesn't cause a strain on service, governmental policy does, if you starve services of funds and fail to invest in infrastructure an increase in population will obviously be a problem.

The biggest migrant issue is that of foreign corporations who happily dance through countries, taking their cut and moving on, leaving the rest of the population poor and divided.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 31 Oct 15 7.30pm
Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2015 6.35pm When are people going to realise immigration doesn't cause a strain on service, governmental policy does, if you starve services of funds and fail to invest in infrastructure an increase in population will obviously be a problem. The biggest migrant issue is that of foreign corporations who happily dance through countries, taking their cut and moving on, leaving the rest of the population poor and divided. Lol "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2015 6.35pm

The biggest migrant issue is that of foreign corporations who happily dance through countries, taking their cut and moving on, leaving the rest of the population poor and divided.

Lol

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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7mins In the bush 31 Oct 15 8.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2015 6.35pm When are people going to realise immigration doesn't cause a strain on service, governmental policy does, if you starve services of funds and fail to invest in infrastructure an increase in population will obviously be a problem. The biggest migrant issue is that of foreign corporations who happily dance through countries, taking their cut and moving on, leaving the rest of the population poor and divided. This is agenda driven poppycock. (both my parents are immigrants)
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In the bush 31 Oct 15 8.51pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2015 6.35pm

The biggest migrant issue is that of foreign corporations who happily dance through countries, taking their cut and moving on, leaving the rest of the population poor and divided.

This is agenda driven poppycock.

(both my parents are immigrants)

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