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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 14 Sep 15 2.17pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

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Say she did bone him, didnt seem to fussed at the time did he ?

He was probably bang up for it, I know if one of my teachers (Miss Sullivan) was snogging my cock I would be over the friggin moon. Not depressed and start doing gear.

Blokes a chancer end of.


So far we've had a combination of 'who cares what happens to druggies because you can't trust them' and now this view which is 'if it happened, it's fine to f*** 13 year olds if they're up for it' No sorry it isn't. I have a daughter, and if some saville wannabe teacher thought he had a green light, he'd soon see it turn to red.


He was 15 though (wasnt he) and a dude. And a quick glance around pounstretcher in the whitgift will show you that plenty or 15 year olds have a kid. And thats not a joke.

And I didnt condone f***ing 13 year olds, your are so tiresome with your twist on what people say.

My view point was IF the guy was consenting AND 15 and got his end away (fifteeen is positively late to lose your virginity theses days)then at that age he would be aware of what he was doing, and probably pleased to be doing it.

You cant come forward later in life and blame all your ills on a shag at fifteen. People who turn to drugs only have themselves to blame. I have been through a year from hell with just about as tragic a story as even Simon Bates could Muster, that ended with the death of my wife, leaving me and our three young children behind. Slightly worse set of circumstances than having my cock sucked at 15.

Did I go out and get hooked on smack, of course I f***in didnt I'm stronger than that. And thats my point individuals deal with crisis in different ways, some crumble some stand up.

Blaming this teacher for his drug addiction is farsical, you'd be nearer the truth if you blammed his mum and dad for passing on weak genetics, and thats a stretch in itself !


 


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To play devils advocate, just because she was found not guilty it doesn't mean that he necessarily lied, but that reasonable doubt existed in the jurors minds - proving 'beyond reasonable doubt' is different from establishing a concrete proof. That of course doesn't mean that the guy was lying, only that he may have made it all up. That has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt as well.

What is beyond reasonable doubt is that the prosecution should never have been brought forward in the first place. Asking a jury to convict someone on the mere word of one person concerning alleged events that happened 20 years before.

Was that the only evidence offered, his word? The actual outcome seems to be that the jury could not reach a majority verdict. In reality she's been bailed for a week for the prosecution to decide whether it wishes to pursue a retrial.

So I'd say its not quite as clear cut as people seem to think.


It doesn't surprise me at all that the prosecution will waste yet more time and money trying to conjure up a case out of nothing - it is the fashion.

The key phrase here is 'non-majority verdict' - The judge was willing to accept a 10-2 verdict, but that couldn't be reached. Which means at least 3 and possibly as many as 9 of the Jury returned a guilty verdict based on the prosecution and defences evidence.

How on earth do you come up with the idea that 9 members of the jury found her guilty?

I didn't say that, I said between 3 and 9 members of the jury found her guilty. The failure to return a 10-2 verdict.


You are referring to the first trial when they could not reach a verdict. Yet a few days later a jury hearing the very same 'evidence' finds her not guilty. Don't you think it highly likely that the first trial split was 9-3 in her favour?


Why would 9-3 be much more likely than 7-5 or 6-6. As we don't know the actual figures then as it is they have the same probability.

And I bet you a pound to a penny that if you found out it was 4-8 in favour of a guilty verdict your stance on the accuser still wouldn't change.

What that he is a feckless drug addict? No it wouldn't.

Clearly being accused of a crime you may not have committed is terrible. That's one side of the coin.

But what is your message to those who have actually been sexually abused as children and later become alcoholics or drug addicts to deal with the pain? That they are 'feckless', 'just some addict' making 'poor life choices' and should be considered liars by default? That's why the case went to court - to decide. The first jury was much less certain than you it seems, even though they were privy to the facts. You know better of course.


Edited by oldcodger (14 Sep 2015 1.03pm)

He was not abused though - she was found not guilty. Also absurd to suggest that childhood experiences inextricably lead to drug addiction. Certainly what drug users say should be treated with a great deal of caution, they tend to do and say anything that will help them feed their chosen life style.

I was stating that since you're willing to tar dug addicts in such a way with your 'just a drug addict' talk what would be your attitude towards those abused as children who find themselves in this exact situation? A shrug of the shoulders it seems.

I also didn't claim that these experiences inextricably lead to drug addiction. I'm saying that those with such histories are more likely to have such issues than is typical.

In your latest reply 'drug users' is such a vague almost meaningless term too but that's another issue. You appear to be claiming that people routinely make up child abuse claims to get money for drugs, which is of course a fantastical claim in its own right.

Edited by oldcodger (14 Sep 2015 2.03pm)

What is fantastical is your claiming I said "people routinely make up child abuse claims to get money for drugs".

 


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Say she did bone him, didnt seem to fussed at the time did he ?

He was probably bang up for it, I know if one of my teachers (Miss Sullivan) was snogging my cock I would be over the friggin moon. Not depressed and start doing gear.

Blokes a chancer end of.


So far we've had a combination of 'who cares what happens to druggies because you can't trust them' and now this view which is 'if it happened, it's fine to f*** 13 year olds if they're up for it' No sorry it isn't. I have a daughter, and if some saville wannabe teacher thought he had a green light, he'd soon see it turn to red.


He was 15 though (wasnt he) and a dude. And a quick glance around pounstretcher in the whitgift will show you that plenty or 15 year olds have a kid. And thats not a joke.

And I didnt condone f***ing 13 year olds, your are so tiresome with your twist on what people say.

My view point was IF the guy was consenting AND 15 and got his end away (fifteeen is positively late to lose your virginity theses days)then at that age he would be aware of what he was doing, and probably pleased to be doing it.

You cant come forward later in life and blame all your ills on a shag at fifteen. People who turn to drugs only have themselves to blame. I have been through a year from hell with just about as tragic a story as even Simon Bates could Muster, that ended with the death of my wife, leaving me and our three young children behind. Slightly worse set of circumstances than having my cock sucked at 15.

Did I go out and get hooked on smack, of course I f***in didnt I'm stronger than that. And thats my point individuals deal with crisis in different ways, some crumble some stand up.

Blaming this teacher for his drug addiction is farsical, you'd be nearer the truth if you blammed his mum and dad for passing on weak genetics, and thats a stretch in itself !

Well said Danny. Sorry to hear of your troubles, good luck for the future, I'm sure you will be fine with your good sense and attitude.

 


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Say she did bone him, didnt seem to fussed at the time did he ?

He was probably bang up for it, I know if one of my teachers (Miss Sullivan) was snogging my cock I would be over the friggin moon. Not depressed and start doing gear.

Blokes a chancer end of.


So far we've had a combination of 'who cares what happens to druggies because you can't trust them' and now this view which is 'if it happened, it's fine to f*** 13 year olds if they're up for it' No sorry it isn't. I have a daughter, and if some saville wannabe teacher thought he had a green light, he'd soon see it turn to red.


He was 15 though (wasnt he) and a dude. And a quick glance around pounstretcher in the whitgift will show you that plenty or 15 year olds have a kid. And thats not a joke.

And I didnt condone f***ing 13 year olds, your are so tiresome with your twist on what people say.

My view point was IF the guy was consenting AND 15 and got his end away (fifteeen is positively late to lose your virginity theses days)then at that age he would be aware of what he was doing, and probably pleased to be doing it.

You cant come forward later in life and blame all your ills on a shag at fifteen. People who turn to drugs only have themselves to blame. I have been through a year from hell with just about as tragic a story as even Simon Bates could Muster, that ended with the death of my wife, leaving me and our three young children behind. Slightly worse set of circumstances than having my cock sucked at 15.

Did I go out and get hooked on smack, of course I f***in didnt I'm stronger than that. And thats my point individuals deal with crisis in different ways, some crumble some stand up.

Blaming this teacher for his drug addiction is farsical, you'd be nearer the truth if you blammed his mum and dad for passing on weak genetics, and thats a stretch in itself !


He was 13 and his gender is irrelevant.

Consent is built around people being old enough to do so. A child cannot consent to sex with a grown adult. It's perfectly understandable why abuse messes up peoples lives, especially when they occur in younger years. Not related to this case of course as the verdict is in.

I'm very sorry that you've had such a horrendous year by the way. I didn't know that. It's of course something that is terrible and painful for any family to face.

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Say she did bone him, didnt seem to fussed at the time did he ?

He was probably bang up for it, I know if one of my teachers (Miss Sullivan) was snogging my cock I would be over the friggin moon. Not depressed and start doing gear.

Blokes a chancer end of.


So far we've had a combination of 'who cares what happens to druggies because you can't trust them' and now this view which is 'if it happened, it's fine to f*** 13 year olds if they're up for it' No sorry it isn't. I have a daughter, and if some saville wannabe teacher thought he had a green light, he'd soon see it turn to red.


He was 15 though (wasnt he) and a dude. And a quick glance around pounstretcher in the whitgift will show you that plenty or 15 year olds have a kid. And thats not a joke.

And I didnt condone f***ing 13 year olds, your are so tiresome with your twist on what people say.

My view point was IF the guy was consenting AND 15 and got his end away (fifteeen is positively late to lose your virginity theses days)then at that age he would be aware of what he was doing, and probably pleased to be doing it.

You cant come forward later in life and blame all your ills on a shag at fifteen. People who turn to drugs only have themselves to blame. I have been through a year from hell with just about as tragic a story as even Simon Bates could Muster, that ended with the death of my wife, leaving me and our three young children behind. Slightly worse set of circumstances than having my cock sucked at 15.

Did I go out and get hooked on smack, of course I f***in didnt I'm stronger than that. And thats my point individuals deal with crisis in different ways, some crumble some stand up.

Blaming this teacher for his drug addiction is farsical, you'd be nearer the truth if you blammed his mum and dad for passing on weak genetics, and thats a stretch in itself !


He was 13 and his gender is irrelevant.

Consent is built around people being old enough to do so. A child cannot consent to sex with a grown adult. It's perfectly understandable why abuse messes up peoples lives, especially when they occur in younger years. Not related to this case of course as the verdict is in.

I'm very sorry that you've had such a horrendous year by the way. I didn't know that. It's of course something that is terrible and painful for any family to face.

Edited by oldcodger (14 Sep 2015 2.56pm)

He was 13 and his gender is irrelevant.

Gender is irrelevant, however she was accused of having sex with the boy on at least 100 occasions between 1993 and 1996. So either she was abusing the s*** out of this kid for three years (up to when he was 15/16) and he hated every minute but kept so quiet even his mum and dad didn’t notice, or he (more likely) enjoyed it.

Consent is build around people being old enough to do so. A child cannot consent to sex with a grown adult. It's perfectly understandable why abuse messes up peoples lives, especially when they occur in younger years. Not related to this case of course as the verdict is in.

A teenager of 15 can get married in certain cultures furthermore to assume a child of that age is not sexually aware is naive, and a dangerous blinkered attitude that through ignorance could lead to teenage pregnancy.
Why is it acceptable to you that abuse at a young age should be used as an excuse to f*** the rest of your life up ? Granted actual child abuse is a horrendous thing to go through ( I fervently do not believe on the evidence available that this scenario was that, neither do the jury). But as I said you can either decide to crumble or fight, it's that decision that shapes the rest of your days.

I'm very sorry that you've had such a horrendous year. That is of course something that is terrible and painful for any family to face.

Thank you. but face it we did and I'm not saying it was easy, but my point was that trauma does not have to effect you for ever. You can beat it.

My guess is that there where probably multiple factors that lead to the addiction to smack. Not just the alleged unproven sexual antics of a teenager.

Edited by dannyh (14 Sep 2015 3.05pm)

 


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Say she did bone him, didnt seem to fussed at the time did he ?

He was probably bang up for it, I know if one of my teachers (Miss Sullivan) was snogging my cock I would be over the friggin moon. Not depressed and start doing gear.

Blokes a chancer end of.


So far we've had a combination of 'who cares what happens to druggies because you can't trust them' and now this view which is 'if it happened, it's fine to f*** 13 year olds if they're up for it' No sorry it isn't. I have a daughter, and if some saville wannabe teacher thought he had a green light, he'd soon see it turn to red.


He was 15 though (wasnt he) and a dude. And a quick glance around pounstretcher in the whitgift will show you that plenty or 15 year olds have a kid. And thats not a joke.

And I didnt condone f***ing 13 year olds, your are so tiresome with your twist on what people say.

My view point was IF the guy was consenting AND 15 and got his end away (fifteeen is positively late to lose your virginity theses days)then at that age he would be aware of what he was doing, and probably pleased to be doing it.

You cant come forward later in life and blame all your ills on a shag at fifteen. People who turn to drugs only have themselves to blame. I have been through a year from hell with just about as tragic a story as even Simon Bates could Muster, that ended with the death of my wife, leaving me and our three young children behind. Slightly worse set of circumstances than having my cock sucked at 15.

Did I go out and get hooked on smack, of course I f***in didnt I'm stronger than that. And thats my point individuals deal with crisis in different ways, some crumble some stand up.

Blaming this teacher for his drug addiction is farsical, you'd be nearer the truth if you blammed his mum and dad for passing on weak genetics, and thats a stretch in itself !


Was that what you were saying about that Teacher Forrest who was banging that 15 year old student? Or is it different if they are someone's daughter. I must have been different than you when I was 15, because I didn't want to stick it in just anything.

Accusations of teachers f**king students, under the age of 16, have to be investigated. The fact you can dismiss the idea of abuse on the basis that 'he's a bloke' shows a disregard for victims of abuse by adults and people in a position of authority.

The simple fact is there is a strong correlation between drug abuse in adults and abuse in childhood. It mean you can blame his addiction on anyone else, ultimately addicts do have themselves to blame. However, and this was the key behind mentioning it, you also can't dismiss someone's allegations on it either, when they're talking about something that happened 20 odd years before.

In that I was referring to the assumption it shouldn't have gone to court because he was a junkie and that somehow it was a witch hunt of the woman (who the first trial failed to reach a majority verdict on).

 


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Say she did bone him, didnt seem to fussed at the time did he ?

He was probably bang up for it, I know if one of my teachers (Miss Sullivan) was snogging my cock I would be over the friggin moon. Not depressed and start doing gear.

Blokes a chancer end of.


So far we've had a combination of 'who cares what happens to druggies because you can't trust them' and now this view which is 'if it happened, it's fine to f*** 13 year olds if they're up for it' No sorry it isn't. I have a daughter, and if some saville wannabe teacher thought he had a green light, he'd soon see it turn to red.


He was 15 though (wasnt he) and a dude. And a quick glance around pounstretcher in the whitgift will show you that plenty or 15 year olds have a kid. And thats not a joke.

And I didnt condone f***ing 13 year olds, your are so tiresome with your twist on what people say.

My view point was IF the guy was consenting AND 15 and got his end away (fifteeen is positively late to lose your virginity theses days)then at that age he would be aware of what he was doing, and probably pleased to be doing it.

You cant come forward later in life and blame all your ills on a shag at fifteen. People who turn to drugs only have themselves to blame. I have been through a year from hell with just about as tragic a story as even Simon Bates could Muster, that ended with the death of my wife, leaving me and our three young children behind. Slightly worse set of circumstances than having my cock sucked at 15.

Did I go out and get hooked on smack, of course I f***in didnt I'm stronger than that. And thats my point individuals deal with crisis in different ways, some crumble some stand up.

Blaming this teacher for his drug addiction is farsical, you'd be nearer the truth if you blammed his mum and dad for passing on weak genetics, and thats a stretch in itself !


He was 13 and his gender is irrelevant.

Consent is built around people being old enough to do so. A child cannot consent to sex with a grown adult. It's perfectly understandable why abuse messes up peoples lives, especially when they occur in younger years. Not related to this case of course as the verdict is in.

I'm very sorry that you've had such a horrendous year by the way. I didn't know that. It's of course something that is terrible and painful for any family to face.

Edited by oldcodger (14 Sep 2015 2.56pm)

He was 13 and his gender is irrelevant.

Gender is irrelevant, however she was accused of having sex with the boy on at least 100 occasions between 1993 and 1996. So either she was abusing the s*** out of this kid for three years (up to when he was 15/16) and he hated every minute but kept so quiet even his mum and dad didn’t notice, or he (more likely) enjoyed it.

Consent is build around people being old enough to do so. A child cannot consent to sex with a grown adult. It's perfectly understandable why abuse messes up peoples lives, especially when they occur in younger years. Not related to this case of course as the verdict is in.

A child teenage girl of 15 can get married in certain cultures furthermore to assume a child of that age is not sexually aware is naive, and a dangerous blinkered attitude that through ignorance could lead to teenage pregnancy.
Why is it acceptable to you that abuse at a young age should be used as an excuse to f*** the rest of your life up ? Granted actual child abuse is a horrendous thing to go through ( I fervently do not believe on the evidence available that this scenario was that, neither do the jury). But as I said you can either decide to crumble or fight, it's that decision that shapes the rest of your days.

I'm very sorry that you've had such a horrendous year. That is of course something that is terrible and painful for any family to face.

Thank you. but face it we did and I'm not saying it was easy, but my point was that trauma does not have to effect you for ever. You can beat it.

My guess is that there where probably multiple factors that lead to the addiction to smack. Not just the alleged unproven sexual antics of a teenager.

Considering what a horrible year you've had, something I didn't know about, I'd feel bad going on about this too much. This court case aside, I'll just say that I can still see why abuse at a young age can shape people in a profoundly negative way leading to all kinds of problems in adult life. I get that some other cultures are different, to extremes in some cases, but we do not live within those, so process experiences differently. I can also see why though, being through what you have recently, that none of this would seem very important to you personally, I certainly understand that.

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Say she did bone him, didnt seem to fussed at the time did he ?

He was probably bang up for it, I know if one of my teachers (Miss Sullivan) was snogging my cock I would be over the friggin moon. Not depressed and start doing gear.

Blokes a chancer end of.


So far we've had a combination of 'who cares what happens to druggies because you can't trust them' and now this view which is 'if it happened, it's fine to f*** 13 year olds if they're up for it' No sorry it isn't. I have a daughter, and if some saville wannabe teacher thought he had a green light, he'd soon see it turn to red.


He was 15 though (wasnt he) and a dude. And a quick glance around pounstretcher in the whitgift will show you that plenty or 15 year olds have a kid. And thats not a joke.

And I didnt condone f***ing 13 year olds, your are so tiresome with your twist on what people say.

My view point was IF the guy was consenting AND 15 and got his end away (fifteeen is positively late to lose your virginity theses days)then at that age he would be aware of what he was doing, and probably pleased to be doing it.

You cant come forward later in life and blame all your ills on a shag at fifteen. People who turn to drugs only have themselves to blame. I have been through a year from hell with just about as tragic a story as even Simon Bates could Muster, that ended with the death of my wife, leaving me and our three young children behind. Slightly worse set of circumstances than having my cock sucked at 15.

Did I go out and get hooked on smack, of course I f***in didnt I'm stronger than that. And thats my point individuals deal with crisis in different ways, some crumble some stand up.

Blaming this teacher for his drug addiction is farsical, you'd be nearer the truth if you blammed his mum and dad for passing on weak genetics, and thats a stretch in itself !


Worth remembering that most child sex offenders don't force themselves on kids, but they manipulate them into having sex or engaging in sexual activity, to which many actually consent or even claim to enjoy. The point is that irrespective of that, its a crime. And I don't doubt that your or my parents would have regarded a thirty year old having sex with their 15 year old to be a crime.

Take a look at the Savile case, a lot of those were 'consenting' cases. But in truth, its grooming - manipulating a minor for sexual purposes, the simple fact is that you're not considered able to consent.


 


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Say she did bone him, didnt seem to fussed at the time did he ?

He was probably bang up for it, I know if one of my teachers (Miss Sullivan) was snogging my cock I would be over the friggin moon. Not depressed and start doing gear.

Blokes a chancer end of.


So far we've had a combination of 'who cares what happens to druggies because you can't trust them' and now this view which is 'if it happened, it's fine to f*** 13 year olds if they're up for it' No sorry it isn't. I have a daughter, and if some saville wannabe teacher thought he had a green light, he'd soon see it turn to red.


He was 15 though (wasnt he) and a dude. And a quick glance around pounstretcher in the whitgift will show you that plenty or 15 year olds have a kid. And thats not a joke.

And I didnt condone f***ing 13 year olds, your are so tiresome with your twist on what people say.

My view point was IF the guy was consenting AND 15 and got his end away (fifteeen is positively late to lose your virginity theses days)then at that age he would be aware of what he was doing, and probably pleased to be doing it.

You cant come forward later in life and blame all your ills on a shag at fifteen. People who turn to drugs only have themselves to blame. I have been through a year from hell with just about as tragic a story as even Simon Bates could Muster, that ended with the death of my wife, leaving me and our three young children behind. Slightly worse set of circumstances than having my cock sucked at 15.

Did I go out and get hooked on smack, of course I f***in didnt I'm stronger than that. And thats my point individuals deal with crisis in different ways, some crumble some stand up.

Blaming this teacher for his drug addiction is farsical, you'd be nearer the truth if you blammed his mum and dad for passing on weak genetics, and thats a stretch in itself !


Was that what you were saying about that Teacher Forrest who was banging that 15 year old student? Or is it different if they are someone's daughter. I must have been different than you when I was 15, because I didn't want to stick it in just anything.

Accusations of teachers f**king students, under the age of 16, have to be investigated. The fact you can dismiss the idea of abuse on the basis that 'he's a bloke' shows a disregard for victims of abuse by adults and people in a position of authority.

The simple fact is there is a strong correlation between drug abuse in adults and abuse in childhood. It mean you can blame his addiction on anyone else, ultimately addicts do have themselves to blame. However, and this was the key behind mentioning it, you also can't dismiss someone's allegations on it either, when they're talking about something that happened 20 odd years before.

In that I was referring to the assumption it shouldn't have gone to court because he was a junkie and that somehow it was a witch hunt of the woman (who the first trial failed to reach a majority verdict on).

Was that what you were saying about that Teacher Forrest who was banging that 15 year old student? Or is it different if they are someone's daughter. I must have been different than you when I was 15, because I didn't want to stick it in just anything.

Emotive subjects bring emotive responses, however yes I do feel that an older man taking advantage of a fifteen year old girl is different, same way a bloke who gets his fare share is a silver cock swords man, a women of the same numerical conquests is a slag. I don't profess to know why it appears worse it just does. Obviously thinking about it, it must be horrendous for any victim of child abuse regardless of age or gender. However I still don't think this lad was abused, and neither did a jury.

At fifteen unless you were Brad Pitt, like most other testosterone fuelled lads all you could think about was minge and the fact you couldn’t get any. So the fact he allegedly banged her over 100 times doesn’t sound like abuse to me at all, sounds like a horny Sod who allegedly (unproven) slid his teacher one (or 100). I'm sorry it just doesn't ring true of abuse in this case.

Accusations of teachers f**king students, under the age of 16, have to be investigated. The fact you can dismiss the idea of abuse on the basis that 'he's a bloke' shows a disregard for victims of abuse by adults and people in a position of authority.

Bollicks, just where did I dismiss his claim because of his gender, I dismissed his claim, (as did a jury of his peers) on the basis that the "abuse" lasted 3 years, without any hint of said abuse to his parents. the fact he is now a smack addict who are not to be trusted with the truth (sad but true), and that the "abuse" that lasted 3 years only gets reported 20 years later, when he's a bit skint and a smack head. The balance of probability lies with me on this one.

The simple fact is there is a strong correlation between drug abuse in adults and abuse in childhood. It mean you can blame his addiction on anyone else, ultimately addicts do have themselves to blame. However, and this was the key behind mentioning it, you also can't dismiss someone's allegations on it either, when they're talking about something that happened 20 odd years before.

I am a firm believer in being in control of your own destiny. No one made him stick that needle in his arm. Using trauma as an excuse to use hard drugs is a cop out and no excuse for being weak willed. I bet there are just as many unfortunate victims of abuse that didn’t turn to drugs ?

I know plenty of adults that use drugs none of them were abused as kids, so why do they take drugs ? Recreational or otherwise.

In that I was referring to the assumption it shouldn't have gone to court because he was a junkie and that somehow it was a witch hunt of the woman (who the first trial failed to reach a majority verdict on).

They failed to reach a verdict because there wasn't enough evidence to convince the jury she was a child abuser.

We will never know the full facts of the case, but from what I have read. If any sexual acts did take place then this bloke was not abused but possibly a very willing participant, that has since fell on hard times, and saw an opportunity to make some cash, that has failed.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Sep 15 4.01pm

Quote dannyh at 14 Sep 2015 3.45pm

We will never know the full facts of the case, but from what I have read. If any sexual acts did take place then this bloke was not abused but possibly a very willing participant, that has since fell on hard times, and saw an opportunity to make some cash, that has failed.

Edited by dannyh (14 Sep 2015 3.47pm)

Ironically I think that's probably the case, but it doesn't always follow that's the case, and certainly I think it would be erroneous of the police and CPS to jump to that conclusion if they think they have a strong enough case to go to court.

Now they need to look into whether or not to prosecute him, and if there is sufficient evidence, they should put charges.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Sep 15 4.25pm

Quote dannyh at 14 Sep 2015 3.45pm
Emotive subjects bring emotive responses, however yes I do feel that an older man taking advantage of a fifteen year old girl is different, same way a bloke who gets his fare share is a silver cock swords man, a women of the same numerical conquests is a slag. I don't profess to know why it appears worse it just does. Obviously thinking about it, it must be horrendous for any victim of child abuse regardless of age or gender. However I still don't think this lad was abused, and neither did a jury.

I don't either, she was found not guilty. However my issue is with the idea the case 'should never have been made'. Clearly the CPS had sufficient evidence that the judge didn't dismiss it out of hand, and that at least three of the initial jurors were convinced of her guilt.

I don't see a difference between the two. I was fifteen once, and I certainly wasn't ready to just come in the first thing that happened by. I was an emotional and hormonal wreck. I don't think that being banged by a desperate thirty year old would have in anyway helped my mental state. We're not all the same, pubity for me was a f**king drawn out nightmare (I wouldn't actually get laid until I was 18 years old - Although with hindsight those issues might very well have been a result of molestation I experienced at school (from Older Girls).

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At fifteen unless you were Brad Pitt, like most other testosterone fuelled lads all you could think about was minge and the fact you couldn’t get any. So the fact he allegedly banged her over 100 times doesn’t sound like abuse to me at all, sounds like a horny Sod who allegedly (unproven) slid his teacher one (or 100). I'm sorry it just doesn't ring true of abuse in this case.

Rolfe banged that girl into her 20s, doesn't make it any less abuse. Teenagers tend to be stupid, plenty of abuse victims have been having sex with their abuser by some form of consent, many at the time enjoying it. That's what really f**king makes it sickening when they grow up and realise they were being used.

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Bollicks, just where did I dismiss his claim because of his gender, I dismissed his claim, (as did a jury of his peers) on the basis that the "abuse" lasted 3 years, without any hint of said abuse to his parents. the fact he is now a smack addict who are not to be trusted with the truth (sad but true), and that the "abuse" that lasted 3 years only gets reported 20 years later, when he's a bit skint and a smack head. The balance of probability lies with me on this one.

I think its right to be dubious, but given the CPS and Polices record with pursuing sex abuse cases, they felt they had sufficient evidence of a crime to be brought.

I wouldn't trust a smack addict to even lie to me, unless they had a load of smack. But that doesn't mean that their experiences can just be dismissed either. Unfortunately I know more than a few people who were abused who went down that path.

Quote dannyh at 14 Sep 2015 3.45pm
I am a firm believer in being in control of your own destiny. No one made him stick that needle in his arm. Using trauma as an excuse to use hard drugs is a cop out and no excuse for being weak willed. I bet there are just as many unfortunate victims of abuse that didn’t turn to drugs ?

Doesn't usually work like that. Even most junkies don't use needles. I've done a bit of smack over the years, not really my thing. Always said I never would, but I still ended up doing it a few times.

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I know plenty of adults that use drugs none of them were abused as kids, so why do they take drugs ? Recreational or otherwise.

Addiction and use are different things. I know lots of people who use or used drugs, and none of them have had the problems I did, why, f**k knows, I had to 'seek out some help' with my habit for speed, still can't trust myself around it. But Opiates, I can see why people turn to smack if they've got problems or trauma, its the blissful oblivion it offers, and that's what keeps them coming back.

I've had friends who have been doing Heroin and downers for years on an occasional basis, who've never become junkies, even one who'd just take 'his withdrawls' as they came.

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They failed to reach a verdict because there wasn't enough evidence to convince the jury she was a child abuser.

And this found not guilty after a second trial. Seems fair enough, because no one will ever know the split between the jury, except those in the room. It could have been three people insistent on innocence, but it could have been three people insistent on innocence.

Quote dannyh at 14 Sep 2015 3.45pm
We will never know the full facts of the case, but from what I have read. If any sexual acts did take place then this bloke was not abused but possibly a very willing participant, that has since fell on hard times, and saw an opportunity to make some cash, that has failed.

That's kind of what I'm saying - That its impossible to be certain of anything, and as such its the responsibility of the Police and CPS if they have reasonable evidence of a crime to pursue it.

I'm not really sure that pursuing her as a criminal was necessarily the best solution if he wanted money. A private damages case would likely offer the possibility of an out of court settlement, or if defended a lower balance of threshold to win the case.

If you want money, criminal court is a poor way to get it. I'd imagine that maybe he's convinced himself of his abuse, even if its not true (or it was by someone else).

 


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All these celebrity hunts are conducted in a full blaze of publicity with dawn raids, press fanfares etc. Supposedly to get other 'victims' to come forward. The police advertise for 'victims', they actually say "you will be believed" without any mention of some sort of proof needed. Can't remember any appeals in places like Rotherham for victims to come forward - indeed they were told to go away and not cause trouble. Meanwhile the likes of Cliff Richard are currently subjected to the treatment, along with dead people like Heath. Allegations should of course be investigated, but discreetly.

 


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