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Ketteridge Brighton 25 Aug 15 9.20am | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 4.56pm
It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted. Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on. Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Aug 15 9.50am | |
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Quote Ketteridge at 25 Aug 2015 9.20am
Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 4.56pm
It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted. Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on. Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.
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Ketteridge Brighton 25 Aug 15 10.03am | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 25 Aug 2015 9.50am
Quote Ketteridge at 25 Aug 2015 9.20am
Quote Kermit8 at 24 Aug 2015 4.56pm
It's obvious the Syrians that are fleeing are refugees not migrants yet they don't seem to be allowed that title by the media and we are following their lead by lumping them in with others who are heading to Europe but who are not being persecuted. Someone somewhere is manipulating emotive language to suit certain agendas. Something is going on. Remember reading an article last year about a Yale or maybe Harvard grad - can't remember his name annoyingly - in the US who heads up a team who work on a mission to confuse the media and world opinion to such an extent that no one is quite clear about what is really going on anymore.
But I claim to be a refugee from the war torn streets of south london and did not move to Brighton simply for the subsidised fair trade organic potatoes.
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johnfirewall 25 Aug 15 11.14am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 24 Aug 2015 11.29pm
Its also worth bearing in mind when talking about refugees from Syria,that there is very much a widespread "burden" rather than,as might be thought at times here,they're all heading to the EU or within the EU,the UK. According the the UNHCR,2.2 million are registered by UNHCR in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon, and 1.8 million Syrians have been registered by the Government of Turkey. Taking the latest European figures, in 2014 122,115 Syrians applied for aslyum in the EU,of which 2.410 were in the UK. Edited by legaleagle (24 Aug 2015 11.31pm) Don't let facts get in the way of good old scaremongering legal. That's not the argument is it, that they're coming here to even things out. Unless of course they've been distributed by the authorities of other EU countries to even things out. Let's not let geography get in the way either, Turkey is a bordering country. If as an island it's harder to get here, shouldn't we be sending planes over to collect them?
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johnfirewall 25 Aug 15 1.10pm | |
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Quite a straightforward factual article 'They have to satisfy the authorities that they are fleeing persecution and would face harm or even death if sent back to their country of origin.' Realistically how many does that apply to? Did the term refugee apply to British children leaving during the war, or 'evacuees', or exiled groups throughout history who have ended up as 'travellers'? Any more terms for displaced people you fancy overanalysing? Edited by johnfirewall (25 Aug 2015 1.13pm)
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Stirlingsays 25 Aug 15 6.47pm | |
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In terms of asylum or indeed any kind of migrant from Syria I wouldn't have a problem in principle with an increase in numbers for this particular situation..... with a caveat. I'd want those coming in to be officially vetted or spoken for by organizations like the YPG or other anti IS organization. The Kurds are, in my view, an example of Muslims who have the right attitude towards the modern world and view of the west......Anyone who fights IS and its ideals gets no problem from me. I hope those in charge of allowing people into this country are actually on the ball with all this.
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Catfish Burgess Hill 25 Aug 15 7.25pm | |
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Would be interesting to see what the result was if HMG offered to set up an office at Calais and accept asylum applications. The applications could be processed in the UK while the punters stay in France and receive the same allowances as they would have got in UK. They would have to agree to be fingerprinted (same as those in UK) and it would remain the discretion of the French whether they wanted to deal with them under their own laws. I suspect that we would not be beaten down in the rush because it is not asylum they are after and they would not want to be formally identified before getting to the UK.
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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 25 Aug 15 7.36pm | |
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Quote Catfish at 25 Aug 2015 7.25pm
Would be interesting to see what the result was if HMG offered to set up an office at Calais and accept asylum applications. The applications could be processed in the UK while the punters stay in France and receive the same allowances as they would have got in UK. They would have to agree to be fingerprinted (same as those in UK) and it would remain the discretion of the French whether they wanted to deal with them under their own laws. I suspect that we would not be beaten down in the rush because it is not asylum they are after and they would not want to be formally identified before getting to the UK.
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Aug 15 8.15pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 6.47pm
In terms of asylum or indeed any kind of migrant from Syria I wouldn't have a problem in principle with an increase in numbers for this particular situation..... with a caveat. I'd want those coming in to be officially vetted or spoken for by organizations like the YPG or other anti IS organization. The Kurds are, in my view, an example of Muslims who have the right attitude towards the modern world and view of the west......Anyone who fights IS and its ideals gets no problem from me. I hope those in charge of allowing people into this country are actually on the ball with all this.
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Stirlingsays 25 Aug 15 8.37pm | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 25 Aug 2015 8.15pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 6.47pm
In terms of asylum or indeed any kind of migrant from Syria I wouldn't have a problem in principle with an increase in numbers for this particular situation..... with a caveat. I'd want those coming in to be officially vetted or spoken for by organizations like the YPG or other anti IS organization. The Kurds are, in my view, an example of Muslims who have the right attitude towards the modern world and view of the west......Anyone who fights IS and its ideals gets no problem from me. I hope those in charge of allowing people into this country are actually on the ball with all this.
They don't get a negative press for a reason. Every group contains murderers. Why would we let in those? Your post is kind of pointless.
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Kermit8 Hevon 25 Aug 15 8.41pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 8.37pm
Quote Kermit8 at 25 Aug 2015 8.15pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Aug 2015 6.47pm
In terms of asylum or indeed any kind of migrant from Syria I wouldn't have a problem in principle with an increase in numbers for this particular situation..... with a caveat. I'd want those coming in to be officially vetted or spoken for by organizations like the YPG or other anti IS organization. The Kurds are, in my view, an example of Muslims who have the right attitude towards the modern world and view of the west......Anyone who fights IS and its ideals gets no problem from me. I hope those in charge of allowing people into this country are actually on the ball with all this.
They don't get a negative press for a reason. Every group contains murderers. Why would we let in those? Your post is kind of pointless.
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Stirlingsays 25 Aug 15 8.45pm | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 25 Aug 2015 8.41pm
I think perhaps you have a romanticised view hence my post.
That's what I said....It isn't romanticised....It's basically true. I think you are just being contrary with no evidence to back up your ramblings.
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