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jamiemartin721  Reading 01 Jun 15 11.41am |
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Quote Kingvagabond at 27 May 2015 9.28am
I always have a laugh every time some eejit turns around and has a go at people striking because of the inconvenience it provides others. You get that that is the entire point of a strike right? What would be the point of striking if it doesn't inconvenience anyone. Strikers are showing that without them working everyone else's day goes to s***. Its showing their value and would be impossible to show their value any other way. As an industry do teachers strike too much? Yes personally I feel that if we striked less it would have more of an effect in winning over the general public. However, Nurses and Midwives strike once in a generation, full general public on their side, result: Tories ignore them. Oh really, so who does it inconvenience then, MP's, heads of education, government ministers for education, or does it inconvenience normal Joe public who have no say or influence over their "terrible" working conditions. It's not them that have to fork out for Childcare fee's or miss days off work, I'm pretty sure not a single thought is given to working single parents. Striking is nothing short of blackmail enmass where the only sufferes are entirely without fault. By the way I'm not an Eejit just because my opinion differs from yours. I called you an eejit for failing to recognise that the point of a strike is to inconvenience others not because you have a different opinion Danny. I agree with you that strikes should be wholly coupled with fullscale protest marches against the houses of parliament which is why everytime my union goes on strike I go to the protest marches as I want my voice heard by fatcat MPs. I also recognise that its parents most affected by marches. If the government wasn't targeting my pension, freezing pay conditions and increasing my working day (being that I'm only salaried 8.30 - 5.30 Monday - Friday and actually work closer to 7am-9pm everyday and at least 6 or 7 hours over the weekend) then I would have no reason to march. Sadly, you all decided to vote in the party who is attacking all public sector workers continuously thus expect more strikes. Oh and don't kid yourself either that we are marching purely out of self interest. 90% of the marches/strikes organised during the last 5 years were about non pay-related issues.
Not really sure what you're trying to and failing to get at here Danny. I said that strikes were about deliberately inconveniencing people and recognised that in our strikes these people are unfortunately parents. The two statements don't contradict each other for a second.
Let me spell it out for you. You are inconveniencing the wrong people, the only possible way that a strike can hurt the government is if people get bullied into voting for someone else because of the constant strikes. If that isnt black mail I dont know what is. Give us what we want of we will bully the public into voting for someone else who will give us what we want. Thats not democracy thats more a like a dictatorship. Its more like extortion than blackmail, but that's the way the world actually works the use of leverage to support a negotiation. Nature of capitalism, you are worth what you can demand, not what you can do. The nature of democracy is about leverage.
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My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils
You will note the title of the DoE web page begins competitive salary and great benefits, not a mention of a mouse, Mickey or otherwise. Secondly leave and get a better job if there is one ? No one is forcing her to be teacher and have twelvty million paid holidays a year plus a nice salary. Another food for thought, when your buddies in the teaching profession go on strike, do they stop to think about the cost of childcare for working parents, or those that lose a days pay for having to stay at home. I’m guessing the answer is DILLIGAF. Finally the basic salary of a qualified teacher is according the link £36000 P.A. just as a comparison, how would you like to spend 6 months in a desert getting shot at, constantly going down with Diarrhoea and vomiting due to the sh1thole your working in. Having no time off, working from 0600 until midnight, getting s*** food (when you can eat) and the only contact with friends and family or loved ones is via a dodgy internet connection or sat phone, and all for the princley sum of £21,000 P.A. Because that’s what a Pte soldier in the British Army is paid, so next time your bleating about £36000 a year for sitting in a cushy school office think about it for a while, it’s not so bad is it ? Sorry Hoof just seen your link same as mine, but it makes my piss boil when teachers whinge about working conditions and stuff.
Average starting salasy for a teacher is circa £24K, takes ages to get up to £36K.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 15 12.33pm |
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Quote chris123 at 01 Jun 2015 12.32pm
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My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils
You will note the title of the DoE web page begins competitive salary and great benefits, not a mention of a mouse, Mickey or otherwise. Secondly leave and get a better job if there is one ? No one is forcing her to be teacher and have twelvty million paid holidays a year plus a nice salary. Another food for thought, when your buddies in the teaching profession go on strike, do they stop to think about the cost of childcare for working parents, or those that lose a days pay for having to stay at home. I’m guessing the answer is DILLIGAF. Finally the basic salary of a qualified teacher is according the link £36000 P.A. just as a comparison, how would you like to spend 6 months in a desert getting shot at, constantly going down with Diarrhoea and vomiting due to the sh1thole your working in. Having no time off, working from 0600 until midnight, getting s*** food (when you can eat) and the only contact with friends and family or loved ones is via a dodgy internet connection or sat phone, and all for the princley sum of £21,000 P.A. Because that’s what a Pte soldier in the British Army is paid, so next time your bleating about £36000 a year for sitting in a cushy school office think about it for a while, it’s not so bad is it ? Sorry Hoof just seen your link same as mine, but it makes my piss boil when teachers whinge about working conditions and stuff.
Average starting salasy for a teacher is circa £24K, takes ages to get up to £36K.
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| elgrande bedford 01 Jun 15 1.31pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 01 Jun 2015 12.33pm
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My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils
You will note the title of the DoE web page begins competitive salary and great benefits, not a mention of a mouse, Mickey or otherwise. Secondly leave and get a better job if there is one ? No one is forcing her to be teacher and have twelvty million paid holidays a year plus a nice salary. Another food for thought, when your buddies in the teaching profession go on strike, do they stop to think about the cost of childcare for working parents, or those that lose a days pay for having to stay at home. I’m guessing the answer is DILLIGAF. Finally the basic salary of a qualified teacher is according the link £36000 P.A. just as a comparison, how would you like to spend 6 months in a desert getting shot at, constantly going down with Diarrhoea and vomiting due to the sh1thole your working in. Having no time off, working from 0600 until midnight, getting s*** food (when you can eat) and the only contact with friends and family or loved ones is via a dodgy internet connection or sat phone, and all for the princley sum of £21,000 P.A. Because that’s what a Pte soldier in the British Army is paid, so next time your bleating about £36000 a year for sitting in a cushy school office think about it for a while, it’s not so bad is it ? Sorry Hoof just seen your link same as mine, but it makes my piss boil when teachers whinge about working conditions and stuff.
Average starting salasy for a teacher is circa £24K, takes ages to get up to £36K.
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| martin2412 Living The Dream 01 Jun 15 1.40pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 19 May 2015 7.11pm
Teachers have been known to moan. Some, not mentioning any names, are keen to spread propaganda to further their own ends. Recently, a teachers' union made claims that 40% of new teachers were quitting. It made the news. It is untrue. It is more like 1 out of 10. Given that such lies are likely to put off people thinking of becoming a teacher, why would a union spread such propaganda? Surelynot because it cares more about throwing its weight around than education standards? To your average teacher 40% is the same as 1 in 10.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Jun 15 2.01pm |
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Quote elgrande at 01 Jun 2015 1.31pm
Quote nickgusset at 01 Jun 2015 12.33pm
Quote chris123 at 01 Jun 2015 12.32pm
Quote nickgusset at 26 May 2015 5.02pm
Quote dannyh at 26 May 2015 2.06pm
Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils
You will note the title of the DoE web page begins competitive salary and great benefits, not a mention of a mouse, Mickey or otherwise. Secondly leave and get a better job if there is one ? No one is forcing her to be teacher and have twelvty million paid holidays a year plus a nice salary. Another food for thought, when your buddies in the teaching profession go on strike, do they stop to think about the cost of childcare for working parents, or those that lose a days pay for having to stay at home. I’m guessing the answer is DILLIGAF. Finally the basic salary of a qualified teacher is according the link £36000 P.A. just as a comparison, how would you like to spend 6 months in a desert getting shot at, constantly going down with Diarrhoea and vomiting due to the sh1thole your working in. Having no time off, working from 0600 until midnight, getting s*** food (when you can eat) and the only contact with friends and family or loved ones is via a dodgy internet connection or sat phone, and all for the princley sum of £21,000 P.A. Because that’s what a Pte soldier in the British Army is paid, so next time your bleating about £36000 a year for sitting in a cushy school office think about it for a while, it’s not so bad is it ? Sorry Hoof just seen your link same as mine, but it makes my piss boil when teachers whinge about working conditions and stuff.
Average starting salasy for a teacher is circa £24K, takes ages to get up to £36K.
Provided the replacement is more meritocratic. Usually when automatic payrises are suspended, its usually corporate speak for no pay rises.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Jun 15 4.08pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 01 Jun 2015 2.01pm
Quote elgrande at 01 Jun 2015 1.31pm
Quote nickgusset at 01 Jun 2015 12.33pm
Quote chris123 at 01 Jun 2015 12.32pm
Quote nickgusset at 26 May 2015 5.02pm
Quote dannyh at 26 May 2015 2.06pm
Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils
You will note the title of the DoE web page begins competitive salary and great benefits, not a mention of a mouse, Mickey or otherwise. Secondly leave and get a better job if there is one ? No one is forcing her to be teacher and have twelvty million paid holidays a year plus a nice salary. Another food for thought, when your buddies in the teaching profession go on strike, do they stop to think about the cost of childcare for working parents, or those that lose a days pay for having to stay at home. I’m guessing the answer is DILLIGAF. Finally the basic salary of a qualified teacher is according the link £36000 P.A. just as a comparison, how would you like to spend 6 months in a desert getting shot at, constantly going down with Diarrhoea and vomiting due to the sh1thole your working in. Having no time off, working from 0600 until midnight, getting s*** food (when you can eat) and the only contact with friends and family or loved ones is via a dodgy internet connection or sat phone, and all for the princley sum of £21,000 P.A. Because that’s what a Pte soldier in the British Army is paid, so next time your bleating about £36000 a year for sitting in a cushy school office think about it for a while, it’s not so bad is it ? Sorry Hoof just seen your link same as mine, but it makes my piss boil when teachers whinge about working conditions and stuff.
Average starting salasy for a teacher is circa £24K, takes ages to get up to £36K.
Provided the replacement is more meritocratic. Usually when automatic payrises are suspended, its usually corporate speak for no pay rises. Got it in one.
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Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils Please explain how teachers striking for better pay benefits the pupils. I don't actually have too big a problem with unionised professions going on strike. But I find it galling when they then pretend it's somehow for a 'greater good'. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. P.s. Do you have any figures for the number of teachers off with stress? Real ones, that is, not ones made up by unions to make the problem look worse than it is. Edited by Johnny Eagles (26 May 2015 10.33pm)
I can tell you that lots and lots of teachers have days off due to stress......I know I probably should have had last week off due to sickness but I pushed through it because it was year 13's last week. Plenty of teachers go off on stress.....Anyone in the profession knows that.....I don't someone producing stats to know what really happens. I have tried teaching thank you very much. I'm not saying teaching isn't a stressful job. It is. I wouldn't (didn't) want to do it. But lots of jobs are stressful. Yes, teaching is a tough job. Yes, teachers have the right to strike. We've done this debate a million times. It's just the way the teaching unions bang on like it's the toughest job in the world and they're all just poor little hard-done-by angels who are only "in it for the kids" that I find grating. They're not so noble that they're averse to spreading outright lies if it thinks it improves their negotiating hand.
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 01 Jun 2015 4.38pm
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 May 2015 10.30pm
Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils Please explain how teachers striking for better pay benefits the pupils. I don't actually have too big a problem with unionised professions going on strike. But I find it galling when they then pretend it's somehow for a 'greater good'. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. P.s. Do you have any figures for the number of teachers off with stress? Real ones, that is, not ones made up by unions to make the problem look worse than it is. Edited by Johnny Eagles (26 May 2015 10.33pm)
I can tell you that lots and lots of teachers have days off due to stress......I know I probably should have had last week off due to sickness but I pushed through it because it was year 13's last week. Plenty of teachers go off on stress.....Anyone in the profession knows that.....I don't someone producing stats to know what really happens. I have tried teaching thank you very much. I'm not saying teaching isn't a stressful job. It is. I wouldn't (didn't) want to do it. But lots of jobs are stressful. Yes, teaching is a tough job. Yes, teachers have the right to strike. We've done this debate a million times. It's just the way the teaching unions bang on like it's the toughest job in the world and they're all just poor little hard-done-by angels who are only "in it for the kids" that I find grating. They're not so noble that they're averse to spreading outright lies if it thinks it improves their negotiating hand.
I'm not saying that's right, of course, just that it's the way it is.
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Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils Please explain how teachers striking for better pay benefits the pupils. I don't actually have too big a problem with unionised professions going on strike. But I find it galling when they then pretend it's somehow for a 'greater good'. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. P.s. Do you have any figures for the number of teachers off with stress? Real ones, that is, not ones made up by unions to make the problem look worse than it is. Edited by Johnny Eagles (26 May 2015 10.33pm)
I can tell you that lots and lots of teachers have days off due to stress......I know I probably should have had last week off due to sickness but I pushed through it because it was year 13's last week. Plenty of teachers go off on stress.....Anyone in the profession knows that.....I don't someone producing stats to know what really happens. I have tried teaching thank you very much. I'm not saying teaching isn't a stressful job. It is. I wouldn't (didn't) want to do it. But lots of jobs are stressful. Yes, teaching is a tough job. Yes, teachers have the right to strike. We've done this debate a million times. It's just the way the teaching unions bang on like it's the toughest job in the world and they're all just poor little hard-done-by angels who are only "in it for the kids" that I find grating. They're not so noble that they're averse to spreading outright lies if it thinks it improves their negotiating hand.
I'm not saying that's right, of course, just that it's the way it is.
Public sector and stress = signed off indefinitely. Private sector and stress = a job.
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My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils Please explain how teachers striking for better pay benefits the pupils. I don't actually have too big a problem with unionised professions going on strike. But I find it galling when they then pretend it's somehow for a 'greater good'. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. P.s. Do you have any figures for the number of teachers off with stress? Real ones, that is, not ones made up by unions to make the problem look worse than it is. Edited by Johnny Eagles (26 May 2015 10.33pm)
I can tell you that lots and lots of teachers have days off due to stress......I know I probably should have had last week off due to sickness but I pushed through it because it was year 13's last week. Plenty of teachers go off on stress.....Anyone in the profession knows that.....I don't someone producing stats to know what really happens. I have tried teaching thank you very much. I'm not saying teaching isn't a stressful job. It is. I wouldn't (didn't) want to do it. But lots of jobs are stressful. Yes, teaching is a tough job. Yes, teachers have the right to strike. We've done this debate a million times. It's just the way the teaching unions bang on like it's the toughest job in the world and they're all just poor little hard-done-by angels who are only "in it for the kids" that I find grating. They're not so noble that they're averse to spreading outright lies if it thinks it improves their negotiating hand.
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My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils Please explain how teachers striking for better pay benefits the pupils. I don't actually have too big a problem with unionised professions going on strike. But I find it galling when they then pretend it's somehow for a 'greater good'. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. P.s. Do you have any figures for the number of teachers off with stress? Real ones, that is, not ones made up by unions to make the problem look worse than it is. Edited by Johnny Eagles (26 May 2015 10.33pm)
I can tell you that lots and lots of teachers have days off due to stress......I know I probably should have had last week off due to sickness but I pushed through it because it was year 13's last week. Plenty of teachers go off on stress.....Anyone in the profession knows that.....I don't someone producing stats to know what really happens. I have tried teaching thank you very much. I'm not saying teaching isn't a stressful job. It is. I wouldn't (didn't) want to do it. But lots of jobs are stressful. Yes, teaching is a tough job. Yes, teachers have the right to strike. We've done this debate a million times. It's just the way the teaching unions bang on like it's the toughest job in the world and they're all just poor little hard-done-by angels who are only "in it for the kids" that I find grating. They're not so noble that they're averse to spreading outright lies if it thinks it improves their negotiating hand.
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