On the day the Capitol building was invaded by Trump supporters it was reported by media that a police officer had been killed by rioters using a fire extinguisher.

That claim was repeated on here several times and certain posters referenced it several times during their take on those events.

This claim has also been spread all around the world and used to demonise in leftist media. This death was even referred to by Democrats in Trump's impeachment trial.

However, news is emerging that there is zero evidence for this officer having died this way.

No one has been charged with his death, which indeed appears to have been by a stroke. He seems to have sent a text to his brother saying that he'd been pepper strayed but was in good shape, shortly before he collapsed.

We await the medical report, which still hasn't been released.....but it appears highly unlikely that any blunt force trauma happened.

Indeed, no Trump supporters appear to be responsible for any deaths that day, but this hasn't been how it's reported. The one person who was deliberately killed on that day seems to have been unnecessarily shot by law enforcement.

What we had was a lie, circulated around the world by malicious liars and hastily believed and amplified by the uncritical.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2021 7.05pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I genuinely struggle to understand the logic of bringing this impeachment. It was clear it would not win and hands Trump a final victory. Twice they tried to do his legs and twice he walks away laughing.

On the oldest rules in any kind of politics is to only pick fights, in 99.9% of circumstances, you can win. Why fight a battle you know you are going to lose?

I appreciate that people are polarised over Trump but I would be genuinely interested to read any views from the Left that think this farce was a good idea and what it has achieved?

All I see is it reinforcing that notion that the anti-Trump hysteria is just one huge statement of double standards of the most brazen kind given what we have seen and heard from huge swathes of the shrillest voices over the last 12 months specifically and in several cases, before.

But I am all ears as to others view points.

Edited by Matov (13 Feb 2021 9.29pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

How has democracy and the constitution been protected by this impeachment failing? And not only just failing but doomed to fail before it even began?

Trump wins. Again. It was a piece of ludicrous political theatre that served no practical purpose. Trump loses the election and then is given a chance in the primary US political arena to walk away victorious. And the Democrats knew that would happen. Now I love looking for the nuance and/or wheels within wheels but in this case? Just an act of moronic political stupidity with zero political upside for the Democrats.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

The Democrats did indeed expect to happen. They might have even hoped it would happen. The only way the Republicans could have won was to have grown some and have found Trump guilty. That way they could have drawn the line and concentrated on opposing Biden. Now they will continue to have the spectre of Trump's behaviour haunting them.

Democracy and the constitution win because they demand that Presidents who act unconstitutionally get impeached, whatever the political consequence. Trump wasn't the only one on trial. Congress was too and it lost because of the Republicans. That matters.

The upside for the Democrats will be the hardening of attitudes against Trump by the independents and traditional Republicans. He needs them to stand any chance of winning again in 2024 making it even less likely that he would be given the nomination. So whilst his base will be firmed his platform gets smaller. He will continue to make noise and no-doubt provoke others to take the law into their own hands but he will also face many legal challenges, some of which could see him jailed.

So there is a genuine reason to believe that this impeachment has contributed to ensuring Trump's demise is permanent.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I believe that anything is possible in today's bonkers world. What I know for sure is that this latest charade was to stop Trump running again.

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