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oldcodger Flag 06 Sep 15 12.02pm Send a Private Message to oldcodger Add oldcodger as a friend

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 11.55am

Quote oldcodger at 06 Sep 2015 11.44am


But why would we want to transform the lives of thousands of people in life and death situations when it might marginally bite into the booze budget of those lucky enough to be born here?

Of course I'm being facetious, but my central point is that it makes a much bigger difference to help, by fighting ISIS and 'also' doing our bit taking refugees in, than it does not bothering.

Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 11.46am)

Typical misrepresentation of the argument.

Your post you mean? Yes I know.

You appear to have neglected to bold the very next 'of course I'm being facetious' line. My point as stated is that we are not weighing up like for like improvements to peoples lives when we are taking in people living in refugee camps in war torn areas.

It was also clearly a little dig at the likes of people who not only inflate the importance of 'not' taking in refugees but are also keen to diminish them.


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Sep 15 12.02pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 11.54am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 11.14am


No, but we are in a position to help those who's lives are destroyed by it.



This country is helping, and more than most.

Let Germany, Sweden and whoever else believes in 'freedom of movement' take them in.

We will take a set asylum number and no more.

We can't house our own.


You must strongly disagree with this stance with regard to your earlier posts which stated that you didn't want any of them - refugees, migrants - to be allowed to come here.

Or has that position mellowed a bit?

 


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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 06 Sep 15 12.05pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 11.59am

tell you who has been let off lightly. Bloody Putin. If he hadn't been so obstructive and supportive of Assad and his murderous cronies the initial people's uprising would probably have succeeded four years ago.

Then No Syrian-based IS, no refugee crisis and so much less upheaval.

Thanks, Vladimir.

Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Sep 15 12.10pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 06 Sep 2015 12.05pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 11.59am

tell you who has been let off lightly. Bloody Putin. If he hadn't been so obstructive and supportive of Assad and his murderous cronies the initial people's uprising would probably have succeeded four years ago.

Then No Syrian-based IS, no refugee crisis and so much less upheaval.

Thanks, Vladimir.

Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem


The sooner he cops it the better. I can see him being increasingly mental, belligerent and dangerous as he gets older.

Any major international crises from now on I'll bet you a pound to a rouble his white cat stroking hand will be behind nearly all of it.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Sep 15 12.27pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm

You must strongly disagree with this stance with regard to your earlier posts which stated that you didn't want any of them - refugees, migrants - to be allowed to come here.

Or has that position mellowed a bit?


Again, misrepresentation.

Go back and read Kermit. I've always stated agreement upon a stated number of asylum, agreed by our own government.

I only want those that can be vouched for.....You can take the rest into Scotland.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Sep 15 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 12.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm

You must strongly disagree with this stance with regard to your earlier posts which stated that you didn't want any of them - refugees, migrants - to be allowed to come here.

Or has that position mellowed a bit?


Again, misrepresentation.

Go back and read Kermit. I've always stated agreement upon a stated number of asylum, agreed by our own government.

I only want those that can be vouched for.....You can take the rest into Scotland.


Retracted.

I may have been getting mixed-up with your pro-UKIP stuff and refugees.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 06 Sep 15 3.39pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 11.54am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 11.14am


No, but we are in a position to help those who's lives are destroyed by it.



This country is helping, and more than most.

Let Germany, Sweden and whoever else believes in 'freedom of movement' take them in.

We will take a set asylum number and no more.

We can't house our own.

I think we choose as a nation not to house our own. No government has made even a vague effort to combat housing prices in the UK, except as a means of stimulating the 'housing market' ever upwards

The UK has taken in around 5500 refugees from Syria, of which around 5000 were already here working, studying or otherwise visiting the UK when the civil war broke out.

We as a nation have the capacity to take more than 5500 people, if we respond accordingly to controlling other areas of immigration, accordingly.

I'm surprised that the right don't see this as a means of manipulating the EU working migrant laws, which contribute almost all of UK's immigration and non-EU migration.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 06 Sep 15 3.45pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 12.27pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm

You must strongly disagree with this stance with regard to your earlier posts which stated that you didn't want any of them - refugees, migrants - to be allowed to come here.

Or has that position mellowed a bit?


Again, misrepresentation.

Go back and read Kermit. I've always stated agreement upon a stated number of asylum, agreed by our own government.

I only want those that can be vouched for.....You can take the rest into Scotland.

People who are part of IS, or similar groups, or have committed war crimes, would be exempt from Asylum status (in fact the UK would be liable to arrest and even prosecute them, under international law).

The degree to which people can be vouched for is debatable given that the UK and Syria have rarely if ever had much information exchange (and that of course the Assad regime are untrustworthy brutal oppressors who'd regard anyone 'disloyal' as terrorist or criminal.

It'd be like trying to vouch people from the old Soviet union. Invariably the people who need protecting would be the very ones that the state would regard as terrorists etc.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 06 Sep 15 3.54pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 06 Sep 2015 12.05pm

Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 11.59am

tell you who has been let off lightly. Bloody Putin. If he hadn't been so obstructive and supportive of Assad and his murderous cronies the initial people's uprising would probably have succeeded four years ago.

Then No Syrian-based IS, no refugee crisis and so much less upheaval.

Thanks, Vladimir.

Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem

For the west, and security, the Assad regime probably represent the best outcome. The Free Syrian Army is propped up by a number of Islamist Militias that whilst not IS or Al-Qaeda aren't likely to end up being friendly to the west.

As for Putin, if not him, another would have done the same. If Putin was against Syrian support, he'd likely 'be offed' and replaced by a more compliant puppet.

The IS faction in Syria has always been one of the major players in this conflict, simply because it was supplied and supported from the infrastructure in place as part of the Sunni insurgency, with support from the 'usual suspects'.

And of course if the Assad military hadn't been equipped by Russia, then the Free Syrian army wouldn't have been very well equipped either, as they formed out of Syrian Military units.

The concern for the West, remains IS and its allied factions. The Kurdish areas will likely annex with the Iraq-Kurdish zones, but the Assad regime isn't going to accept the areas of the Free Syrian Army being independent, it might however make peace with the loss of the IS regions.


 


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corkery Flag Cork City 06 Sep 15 4.25pm Send a Private Message to corkery Add corkery as a friend

Quote leggedstruggle at 06 Sep 2015 12.08am

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The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries.

We will cope. They cannot.

The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries.

They will cope. We cannot.

But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country.

Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world.


Why should Qatar take them? They didn't bring 'Freedom' to the Middle East.

So we are responsible for the Syrian civil war? Rule 1 - never underestimate the stupidity of the left.


No, yer just responsible for the mess in Lybia, Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not left at all.

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 06 Sep 15 4.46pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Quote corkery at 06 Sep 2015 4.25pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 06 Sep 2015 12.08am

Quote corkery at 05 Sep 2015 9.39pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 7.51pm

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 05 Sep 2015 6.14pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 6.06pm

Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm

The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries.

We will cope. They cannot.

The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries.

They will cope. We cannot.

But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country.

Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world.


Why should Qatar take them? They didn't bring 'Freedom' to the Middle East.

So we are responsible for the Syrian civil war? Rule 1 - never underestimate the stupidity of the left.


No, yer just responsible for the mess in Lybia, Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not left at all.

Lybia

On 19 March 2011, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. The United Nations Intent and Voting was to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute crimes against humanity".

From the beginning of the intervention, the initial coalition of Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, UK and US all had a part in air strikes. So hardly just the UK, it was a NATO lead Operation.

As was Iraq and Afghanistan.

Get your facts straight. By the way when was the last time Ireland sent in troops to help anyone ?

 


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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 06 Sep 15 4.49pm Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Just a thought but if Putin was to do his bit he runs a country much closer to the area with a nearly unrivalled land mass and massive natural resources. Plenty of room and finance there for refugees, and before people get their knickers in a twist, i know its never gonna happen.

 

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