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oldcodger 06 Sep 15 12.02pm | |
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Of course I'm being facetious, but my central point is that it makes a much bigger difference to help, by fighting ISIS and 'also' doing our bit taking refugees in, than it does not bothering. Edited by oldcodger (06 Sep 2015 11.46am) Typical misrepresentation of the argument. Your post you mean? Yes I know. You appear to have neglected to bold the very next 'of course I'm being facetious' line. My point as stated is that we are not weighing up like for like improvements to peoples lives when we are taking in people living in refugee camps in war torn areas. It was also clearly a little dig at the likes of people who not only inflate the importance of 'not' taking in refugees but are also keen to diminish them.
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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Sep 15 12.02pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 11.14am
Let Germany, Sweden and whoever else believes in 'freedom of movement' take them in. We will take a set asylum number and no more. We can't house our own.
Or has that position mellowed a bit?
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 06 Sep 15 12.05pm | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 11.59am
tell you who has been let off lightly. Bloody Putin. If he hadn't been so obstructive and supportive of Assad and his murderous cronies the initial people's uprising would probably have succeeded four years ago. Then No Syrian-based IS, no refugee crisis and so much less upheaval. Thanks, Vladimir. Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem
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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Sep 15 12.10pm | |
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He Quote Tom-the-eagle at 06 Sep 2015 12.05pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 11.59am
tell you who has been let off lightly. Bloody Putin. If he hadn't been so obstructive and supportive of Assad and his murderous cronies the initial people's uprising would probably have succeeded four years ago. Then No Syrian-based IS, no refugee crisis and so much less upheaval. Thanks, Vladimir. Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem
Any major international crises from now on I'll bet you a pound to a rouble his white cat stroking hand will be behind nearly all of it.
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Stirlingsays 06 Sep 15 12.27pm | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm
You must strongly disagree with this stance with regard to your earlier posts which stated that you didn't want any of them - refugees, migrants - to be allowed to come here. Or has that position mellowed a bit?
Go back and read Kermit. I've always stated agreement upon a stated number of asylum, agreed by our own government. I only want those that can be vouched for.....You can take the rest into Scotland.
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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Sep 15 2.23pm | |
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You must strongly disagree with this stance with regard to your earlier posts which stated that you didn't want any of them - refugees, migrants - to be allowed to come here. Or has that position mellowed a bit?
Go back and read Kermit. I've always stated agreement upon a stated number of asylum, agreed by our own government. I only want those that can be vouched for.....You can take the rest into Scotland.
I may have been getting mixed-up with your pro-UKIP stuff and refugees.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Sep 15 3.39pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 11.54am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Sep 2015 11.14am
Let Germany, Sweden and whoever else believes in 'freedom of movement' take them in. We will take a set asylum number and no more. We can't house our own. I think we choose as a nation not to house our own. No government has made even a vague effort to combat housing prices in the UK, except as a means of stimulating the 'housing market' ever upwards The UK has taken in around 5500 refugees from Syria, of which around 5000 were already here working, studying or otherwise visiting the UK when the civil war broke out. We as a nation have the capacity to take more than 5500 people, if we respond accordingly to controlling other areas of immigration, accordingly. I'm surprised that the right don't see this as a means of manipulating the EU working migrant laws, which contribute almost all of UK's immigration and non-EU migration.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Sep 15 3.45pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 06 Sep 2015 12.27pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 12.02pm
You must strongly disagree with this stance with regard to your earlier posts which stated that you didn't want any of them - refugees, migrants - to be allowed to come here. Or has that position mellowed a bit?
Go back and read Kermit. I've always stated agreement upon a stated number of asylum, agreed by our own government. I only want those that can be vouched for.....You can take the rest into Scotland. People who are part of IS, or similar groups, or have committed war crimes, would be exempt from Asylum status (in fact the UK would be liable to arrest and even prosecute them, under international law). The degree to which people can be vouched for is debatable given that the UK and Syria have rarely if ever had much information exchange (and that of course the Assad regime are untrustworthy brutal oppressors who'd regard anyone 'disloyal' as terrorist or criminal. It'd be like trying to vouch people from the old Soviet union. Invariably the people who need protecting would be the very ones that the state would regard as terrorists etc.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Sep 15 3.54pm | |
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 06 Sep 2015 12.05pm
Quote Kermit8 at 06 Sep 2015 11.59am
tell you who has been let off lightly. Bloody Putin. If he hadn't been so obstructive and supportive of Assad and his murderous cronies the initial people's uprising would probably have succeeded four years ago. Then No Syrian-based IS, no refugee crisis and so much less upheaval. Thanks, Vladimir. Agreed Kermit - This is the crux of the whole problem For the west, and security, the Assad regime probably represent the best outcome. The Free Syrian Army is propped up by a number of Islamist Militias that whilst not IS or Al-Qaeda aren't likely to end up being friendly to the west. As for Putin, if not him, another would have done the same. If Putin was against Syrian support, he'd likely 'be offed' and replaced by a more compliant puppet. The IS faction in Syria has always been one of the major players in this conflict, simply because it was supplied and supported from the infrastructure in place as part of the Sunni insurgency, with support from the 'usual suspects'. And of course if the Assad military hadn't been equipped by Russia, then the Free Syrian army wouldn't have been very well equipped either, as they formed out of Syrian Military units. The concern for the West, remains IS and its allied factions. The Kurdish areas will likely annex with the Iraq-Kurdish zones, but the Assad regime isn't going to accept the areas of the Free Syrian Army being independent, it might however make peace with the loss of the IS regions.
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corkery Cork City 06 Sep 15 4.25pm | |
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The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries. They will cope. We cannot. But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country. Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world.
So we are responsible for the Syrian civil war? Rule 1 - never underestimate the stupidity of the left.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 06 Sep 15 4.46pm | |
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Quote corkery at 06 Sep 2015 4.25pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 06 Sep 2015 12.08am
Quote corkery at 05 Sep 2015 9.39pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 7.51pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 05 Sep 2015 6.14pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 05 Sep 2015 6.06pm
Quote Kermit8 at 05 Sep 2015 5.19pm
The total population of northern western europe is 280million. If we all mucked in and took in 1million in total refugees from Syria then that is merely a 0.3% increase spread out over 6 or 7 countries. We will cope. They cannot. The total population of arab countries is 389 million. If they all mucked in and took in 1 million in total of refugees from Syria then that is a mere 0.25% increase spread out over about 22 countries. They will cope. We cannot. But as you and I know Legged, its not about going to a SAFE country - its about going to a RICH country. Many arab countries are rich - Qatar is considered to be the richest in the world.
So we are responsible for the Syrian civil war? Rule 1 - never underestimate the stupidity of the left.
Lybia On 19 March 2011, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. The United Nations Intent and Voting was to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute crimes against humanity". From the beginning of the intervention, the initial coalition of Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, UK and US all had a part in air strikes. So hardly just the UK, it was a NATO lead Operation. As was Iraq and Afghanistan. Get your facts straight. By the way when was the last time Ireland sent in troops to help anyone ?
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sickboy Deal or Croydon 06 Sep 15 4.49pm | |
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Just a thought but if Putin was to do his bit he runs a country much closer to the area with a nearly unrivalled land mass and massive natural resources. Plenty of room and finance there for refugees, and before people get their knickers in a twist, i know its never gonna happen.
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