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Hoof Hearted 02 Sep 15 10.54am

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 7.25pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Sep 2015 7.16pm

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 6.31pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Sep 2015 5.01pm

Danny and Ghost. Tis getting dull.

It might be to you Nick, but not to me when all I get is pathetic little digs, as does every one else who disagree's with his baseless fact.

You might want to try asking him to not be such a smug git when talking to people, maybe even card him, but as usual it will probably be the right of center protagonist in the piece that gets his knuckles wrapped. i.e me.

And as you can see from the below poster's he makes a career out of coming on here and being deliberately sarcastic and abusive with out any reason for it other than a different view point to his.

So dull or not I will continue to stand my ground against pompous a holes. I mean take a look at his last reply.

I make an honest assessment and observation and he replies with child like insults whilst calling me a child.

I've been a member of this site for ages, and I've seen people carded and banned for a lot less than his antagonistic warblings.


Back to what Corbyn said, is it really bad to be of the opinion that Bin Laden should have been taken alive? Hardly a radical view. He also predicted the 'assassination' of Gaddafi.


Completely take your point Danny, as someone who has been involved in a similar spat it's easy to get sucked in to defend yer corner. But, it is droll.


Fair enough.


Actually Danny it's a lot easier to just ignore his posts completely.

I worked him out on his first day posting on here and decided not to bother engaging with him.

He is a windup merchant with very little to add to any debate apart from abuse and personal digs.

 
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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 Sep 15 12.02pm

Quote ghosteagle at 01 Sep 2015 4.32pm

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Quote ghosteagle at 01 Sep 2015 4.26pm

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 4.25pm

You just cant handle any one who doesnt agree with you can you.


I can't handle children who shouldn't be allowed on the internet without adult supervision.


Oh look another insult, oh my oh my, how brave and insightful you are. Try reading other peoples posts before you slag them off mister pseudo intelligence, you might find yourself having less people to idioticly belittle.

But then what else would you do all day. The mind boggles.

I think CBBC is on till 5. Off you go, good little chap.

Ghosteagle - This is a warning, if you cannot play well with other posters, and continue to attack members, you risk getting a red card. Yellow issued.

Both of you please take a step back and calm down.

Play nice, as I don't want to ban either of you.


 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 02 Sep 15 12.09pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 01 Sep 2015 5.01pm

Danny and Ghost. Tis getting dull.

Back to what Corbyn said, is it really bad to be of the opinion that Bin Laden should have been taken alive? Hardly a radical view. He also predicted the 'assassination' of Gaddafi.

Maybe he can predict this Saturdays Lottery numbers!!

 

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Hoof Hearted 02 Sep 15 2.49pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 12.02pm

Quote ghosteagle at 01 Sep 2015 4.32pm

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 4.30pm

Quote ghosteagle at 01 Sep 2015 4.26pm

Quote dannyh at 01 Sep 2015 4.25pm

You just cant handle any one who doesnt agree with you can you.


I can't handle children who shouldn't be allowed on the internet without adult supervision.


Oh look another insult, oh my oh my, how brave and insightful you are. Try reading other peoples posts before you slag them off mister pseudo intelligence, you might find yourself having less people to idioticly belittle.

But then what else would you do all day. The mind boggles.

I think CBBC is on till 5. Off you go, good little chap.

Ghosteagle - This is a warning, if you cannot play well with other posters, and continue to attack members, you risk getting a red card. Yellow issued.

Both of you please take a step back and calm down.

Play nice, as I don't want to ban either of you.



There's a new sheriff in town...... and he aint taking no sh1t!

 
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ghosteagle Flag 02 Sep 15 3.40pm Send a Private Message to ghosteagle Add ghosteagle as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 01 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Another 'worthy cause' Jezza supported:

[Link]

I cannot wait for him to be elected now. Every dodgy cause he has ever supported will be dragged up (one imagines that he could have PIE on face as an ex-Haringey councillor). It's going to ruin the far left for decades. Or maybe that's the plan?

Indeed, a worthy cause, no argument there.

 
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npn Flag Crowborough 02 Sep 15 4.08pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 3.40pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Another 'worthy cause' Jezza supported:

[Link]

I cannot wait for him to be elected now. Every dodgy cause he has ever supported will be dragged up (one imagines that he could have PIE on face as an ex-Haringey councillor). It's going to ruin the far left for decades. Or maybe that's the plan?

Indeed, a worthy cause, no argument there.


You believe they were innocent, or justified in blowing people up?

 
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ghosteagle Flag 02 Sep 15 4.16pm Send a Private Message to ghosteagle Add ghosteagle as a friend

Quote npn at 02 Sep 2015 4.08pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 3.40pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Another 'worthy cause' Jezza supported:

[Link]

I cannot wait for him to be elected now. Every dodgy cause he has ever supported will be dragged up (one imagines that he could have PIE on face as an ex-Haringey councillor). It's going to ruin the far left for decades. Or maybe that's the plan?

Indeed, a worthy cause, no argument there.


You believe they were innocent, or justified in blowing people up?

I believe that they were entitled to a retrial, based on the evidence of former MI5 officer David Shayler who revealed the exist­ence of two rel­ev­ant doc­u­ments that should have been dis­closed to the defence but were not.
The first report from a cred­ible and trus­ted source, poin­ted to a non-Palestinian group plan­ning the attack before it had even occurred.
The second from the senior MI5 officer who over­saw the post-incident invest­ig­a­tion. His view was that Mossad, the external Israeli intel­li­gence agency, had car­ried out a con­trolled explo­sion out­side its own embassy secur­ity pro­tec­tion around Israeli interests in the UK, and also to shat­ter the Palestinian sup­port net­works in Lon­don — a long-term object­ive of Mossad.
The existence of these two documents was confirmed during the appeal hearing.

 
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npn Flag Crowborough 02 Sep 15 4.25pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 4.16pm

Quote npn at 02 Sep 2015 4.08pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 3.40pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Another 'worthy cause' Jezza supported:

[Link]

I cannot wait for him to be elected now. Every dodgy cause he has ever supported will be dragged up (one imagines that he could have PIE on face as an ex-Haringey councillor). It's going to ruin the far left for decades. Or maybe that's the plan?

Indeed, a worthy cause, no argument there.


You believe they were innocent, or justified in blowing people up?

I believe that they were entitled to a retrial, based on the evidence of former MI5 officer David Shayler who revealed the exist­ence of two rel­ev­ant doc­u­ments that should have been dis­closed to the defence but were not.
The first report from a cred­ible and trus­ted source, poin­ted to a non-Palestinian group plan­ning the attack before it had even occurred.
The second from the senior MI5 officer who over­saw the post-incident invest­ig­a­tion. His view was that Mossad, the external Israeli intel­li­gence agency, had car­ried out a con­trolled explo­sion out­side its own embassy secur­ity pro­tec­tion around Israeli interests in the UK, and also to shat­ter the Palestinian sup­port net­works in Lon­don — a long-term object­ive of Mossad.
The existence of these two documents was confirmed during the appeal hearing.


But UK appeals court and even the ECHR said no (presumably in a far better position to judge than you or I). Didn't they also admit to having the explosives and weapons? (I've only skim read so could be wrong on that) - if that's the case, they were clearly planning on some damage

 
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ghosteagle Flag 02 Sep 15 4.41pm Send a Private Message to ghosteagle Add ghosteagle as a friend

Quote npn at 02 Sep 2015 4.25pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 4.16pm

Quote npn at 02 Sep 2015 4.08pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 3.40pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Another 'worthy cause' Jezza supported:

[Link]

I cannot wait for him to be elected now. Every dodgy cause he has ever supported will be dragged up (one imagines that he could have PIE on face as an ex-Haringey councillor). It's going to ruin the far left for decades. Or maybe that's the plan?

Indeed, a worthy cause, no argument there.


You believe they were innocent, or justified in blowing people up?

I believe that they were entitled to a retrial, based on the evidence of former MI5 officer David Shayler who revealed the exist­ence of two rel­ev­ant doc­u­ments that should have been dis­closed to the defence but were not.
The first report from a cred­ible and trus­ted source, poin­ted to a non-Palestinian group plan­ning the attack before it had even occurred.
The second from the senior MI5 officer who over­saw the post-incident invest­ig­a­tion. His view was that Mossad, the external Israeli intel­li­gence agency, had car­ried out a con­trolled explo­sion out­side its own embassy secur­ity pro­tec­tion around Israeli interests in the UK, and also to shat­ter the Palestinian sup­port net­works in Lon­don — a long-term object­ive of Mossad.
The existence of these two documents was confirmed during the appeal hearing.


But UK appeals court and even the ECHR said no (presumably in a far better position to judge than you or I). Didn't they also admit to having the explosives and weapons? (I've only skim read so could be wrong on that) - if that's the case, they were clearly planning on some damage

It is true that the appeals court and ECHR denied their appeal, but the faliure of MI5 to disclose vitally important documents to the defense was clearly grounds for a retrial. All precedents indicated that a retrial was justified but the judges ignored this in the initial appeal and refused their application.
They did admit to having weapons and explosives but there was never anything more than circumstancial evidence linking them to the bombings, which is why i do not state that they were innocent. But given the with-holding of vital evidence that could have amounted to 'reasonable doubt' they were entitled to a retrial.

 
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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 Sep 15 5.02pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 4.41pm

Quote npn at 02 Sep 2015 4.25pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 4.16pm

Quote npn at 02 Sep 2015 4.08pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 3.40pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Another 'worthy cause' Jezza supported:

[Link]

I cannot wait for him to be elected now. Every dodgy cause he has ever supported will be dragged up (one imagines that he could have PIE on face as an ex-Haringey councillor). It's going to ruin the far left for decades. Or maybe that's the plan?

Indeed, a worthy cause, no argument there.


You believe they were innocent, or justified in blowing people up?

I believe that they were entitled to a retrial, based on the evidence of former MI5 officer David Shayler who revealed the exist­ence of two rel­ev­ant doc­u­ments that should have been dis­closed to the defence but were not.
The first report from a cred­ible and trus­ted source, poin­ted to a non-Palestinian group plan­ning the attack before it had even occurred.
The second from the senior MI5 officer who over­saw the post-incident invest­ig­a­tion. His view was that Mossad, the external Israeli intel­li­gence agency, had car­ried out a con­trolled explo­sion out­side its own embassy secur­ity pro­tec­tion around Israeli interests in the UK, and also to shat­ter the Palestinian sup­port net­works in Lon­don — a long-term object­ive of Mossad.
The existence of these two documents was confirmed during the appeal hearing.


But UK appeals court and even the ECHR said no (presumably in a far better position to judge than you or I). Didn't they also admit to having the explosives and weapons? (I've only skim read so could be wrong on that) - if that's the case, they were clearly planning on some damage

It is true that the appeals court and ECHR denied their appeal, but the faliure of MI5 to disclose vitally important documents to the defense was clearly grounds for a retrial. All precedents indicated that a retrial was justified but the judges ignored this in the initial appeal and refused their application.
They did admit to having weapons and explosives but there was never anything more than circumstancial evidence linking them to the bombings, which is why i do not state that they were innocent. But given the with-holding of vital evidence that could have amounted to 'reasonable doubt' they were entitled to a retrial.

A perfect answer. The right to a fair trial is a cornerstone of British Justice. Any agency of state that deliberately, or accidently, undermines or prejudices a case by concealing evidence from the defence is really grounds to retrial.


 

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Sep 2015 5.02pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 4.41pm

Quote npn at 02 Sep 2015 4.25pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 4.16pm

Quote npn at 02 Sep 2015 4.08pm

Quote ghosteagle at 02 Sep 2015 3.40pm

Quote matt_himself at 01 Sep 2015 6.22pm

Another 'worthy cause' Jezza supported:

[Link]

I cannot wait for him to be elected now. Every dodgy cause he has ever supported will be dragged up (one imagines that he could have PIE on face as an ex-Haringey councillor). It's going to ruin the far left for decades. Or maybe that's the plan?

Indeed, a worthy cause, no argument there.


You believe they were innocent, or justified in blowing people up?

I believe that they were entitled to a retrial, based on the evidence of former MI5 officer David Shayler who revealed the exist­ence of two rel­ev­ant doc­u­ments that should have been dis­closed to the defence but were not.
The first report from a cred­ible and trus­ted source, poin­ted to a non-Palestinian group plan­ning the attack before it had even occurred.
The second from the senior MI5 officer who over­saw the post-incident invest­ig­a­tion. His view was that Mossad, the external Israeli intel­li­gence agency, had car­ried out a con­trolled explo­sion out­side its own embassy secur­ity pro­tec­tion around Israeli interests in the UK, and also to shat­ter the Palestinian sup­port net­works in Lon­don — a long-term object­ive of Mossad.
The existence of these two documents was confirmed during the appeal hearing.


But UK appeals court and even the ECHR said no (presumably in a far better position to judge than you or I). Didn't they also admit to having the explosives and weapons? (I've only skim read so could be wrong on that) - if that's the case, they were clearly planning on some damage

It is true that the appeals court and ECHR denied their appeal, but the faliure of MI5 to disclose vitally important documents to the defense was clearly grounds for a retrial. All precedents indicated that a retrial was justified but the judges ignored this in the initial appeal and refused their application.
They did admit to having weapons and explosives but there was never anything more than circumstancial evidence linking them to the bombings, which is why i do not state that they were innocent. But given the with-holding of vital evidence that could have amounted to 'reasonable doubt' they were entitled to a retrial.

A perfect answer. The right to a fair trial is a cornerstone of British Justice. Any agency of state that deliberately, or accidently, undermines or prejudices a case by concealing evidence from the defence is really grounds to retrial.



What you are talking about is a retrial by technicality, for a group of nutters that had nothing but bad intentions.

If Cherie Blairs pals in the ECOHR found through the appeal out that should be good enough even for the most ardent of liberals.

 

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Don't know the detail of this case so cannot comment.

One thing we can be certain of is that history teaches us that our security and legal powers will lie, lie and lie again to put innocent people into prison because they need to be seen to get "a result"

 
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