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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Nov 15 2.42pm
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Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 23 Nov 15 2.58pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm) You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place. I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS? Amen Denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain.
We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region.
Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary.

I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)

You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place.

I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS?

Amen

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 23 Nov 15 2.59pm
Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 1.31pm Quote Jimenez at 23 Nov 2015 12.57pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 12.42pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 12.29pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Nov 2015 11.56am Quote Hoof Hearted at 23 Nov 2015 10.48am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 6.10pm Quote Kermit8 at 22 Nov 2015 5.37pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 5.02pm Quote Stirlingsays at 22 Nov 2015 2.24pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Nov 2015 1.43pm Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site. Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it. I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were. A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run. While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent. You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home. The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions. oh, dear x 2 How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me. I have dared to be honest. Honest and completely accurate! Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts. They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away! Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop. talk about off thread topic. But... Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc. It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm. "people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services. [Link] Edited by nickgusset (23 Nov 2015 11.57am) And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers? The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money. Examples? [Link] Awaits its in the Daily Hail retort Someone even got a non essential chocolate pudding! Perhaps they should throw away any food donated that is non essential! £40 worth of food is hardly 'bags bursting' is it? People have sky and iphones under contract. Perhaps they got these things when they could afford it and the contracts are yet to run out. One man who lost his £60k job used a food bank. Probably be even harder up money wise as I'd imagine his outgoings are quite high. A terrible article all in all in the usual Mail vein of looking down on people. Guess it depends how heavy the food is "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Poverty is relative. All of us are poor to someone I'm sure. Too much self righteous bleeding heart whining on this site.

Everything is relative, especially when you wish to dismiss it.

I'm not in poverty. But I come from a family who were.

A government isn't just for the successes in society. That was how the Victoria era was run.

While I agree that the state must protect itself from the feckless and those who hate it or wish to abuse it...collectively not a small number....It's also true that we need to tend to our own....Good, bad or indifferent.

You cannot compare Victorian poverty with current levels. That is the point. People who visit food banks are probably lighting a fag on the way and visiting the off license on the way home.

The other day there was outrage because it was suggested that the hard up should cancel their paid TV subscriptions.

oh, dear x 2

How surprising that you should "Oh dear" me.

I have dared to be honest.

Honest and completely accurate!

Many of the visitors to food banks have cars, iphones and Sky/Virgin TV accounts.

They know the local well meaning food bank set up by some vicar and his helpers won't turn them away!

Just park the car a few streets away, turn the iphone off and go into "helpless mode" for their weekly shop.

talk about off thread topic. But...

Although there are some food banks that you can turn up at and just recieve food, the vast majority will only give food if you have the requisite vouchers which you have to apply for from citizens advice, GP's or socialservices etc.

It's a fallacy that it's a free food for all perpetuated by sections of the media who take unusual cases and extrapolate them to kid readers into thinking it's the norm.

"people can’t just turn up asking for free food, they are referred by professionals"" says Chris Mould, executive chair of the Tressell Trust. If someone turns up without a voucher, food bank staff put them in touch with relevant local agencies who can assess whether they need a voucher and signpost them to the right services.

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And how hard is it to convince someone you need vouchers?

The same chancers will be getting their hands on food bank vouchers whilst enjoying all the luxuries bought with their dole money.

Examples?

[Link]

*Awaits its in the Daily Hail retort*

Someone even got a non essential chocolate pudding! Perhaps they should throw away any food donated that is non essential!

£40 worth of food is hardly 'bags bursting' is it?

People have sky and iphones under contract. Perhaps they got these things when they could afford it and the contracts are yet to run out.

One man who lost his £60k job used a food bank. Probably be even harder up money wise as I'd imagine his outgoings are quite high.

A terrible article all in all in the usual Mail vein of looking down on people.

Guess it depends how heavy the food is

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Nov 15 3.07pm
Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm) You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place. I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS? Amen Well that cleared things up. I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident.
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Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)

I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS?

Amen

Well that cleared things up.

I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident.

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ghosteagle 23 Nov 15 3.44pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm) You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place. I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS? Amen Well that cleared things up. I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident. Except that we don't. All tidied up for you.
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Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)

I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS?

Amen

Well that cleared things up.

I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident.

Except that we don't.

All tidied up for you.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Nov 15 4.22pm
Quote ghosteagle at 23 Nov 2015 3.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm) You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place. I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS? Amen Well that cleared things up. I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident. Except that we don't. All tidied up for you. Ah I see. You just ghosted in for a quick session of trolling before you ghost back to the BBS. Of all the opinions held by our friends on the left. This is the dumbest.
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Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)

I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS?

Amen

Well that cleared things up.

I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident.

Except that we don't.

All tidied up for you.

Ah I see. You just ghosted in for a quick session of trolling before you ghost back to the BBS.

Of all the opinions held by our friends on the left. This is the dumbest.

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm) You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place. I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS? Amen Well that cleared things up. I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident. The question isn't whether we need to replace Trident, its really what do we replace it with. Like for like is another 'defence white elephant'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)

I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS?

Amen

Well that cleared things up.

I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident.

The question isn't whether we need to replace Trident, its really what do we replace it with. Like for like is another 'defence white elephant'.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Nov 15 4.30pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 4.22pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm) You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place. I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS? Amen Well that cleared things up. I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident. The question isn't whether we need to replace Trident, its really what do we replace it with. Like for like is another 'defence white elephant'. That is a more sensible question. I'm no expert on nuclear weapons themselves but the value of a nuclear deterrent is that the enemy believes it exists and that it is effective.
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Hrolf The Ganger

23 Nov 15 4.30pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 4.22pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm

Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)

I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS?

Amen

Well that cleared things up.

I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident.

The question isn't whether we need to replace Trident, its really what do we replace it with. Like for like is another 'defence white elephant'.

That is a more sensible question. I'm no expert on nuclear weapons themselves but the value of a nuclear deterrent is that the enemy believes it exists and that it is effective.

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 23 Nov 15 4.30pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 4.22pm Quote ghosteagle at 23 Nov 2015 3.44pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm) You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place. I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS? Amen Well that cleared things up. I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident. Except that we don't. All tidied up for you. Ah I see. You just ghosted in for a quick session of trolling before you ghost back to the BBS. Of all the opinions held by our friends on the left. This is the dumbest. Oh I don't know - there's a hell of a lot of competition "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 23 Nov 15 4.30pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 4.22pm

Quote ghosteagle at 23 Nov 2015 3.44pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm

Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)

I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS?

Amen

Well that cleared things up.

I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident.

Except that we don't.

All tidied up for you.

Ah I see. You just ghosted in for a quick session of trolling before you ghost back to the BBS.

Of all the opinions held by our friends on the left. This is the dumbest.

Oh I don't know - there's a hell of a lot of competition

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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ghosteagle 23 Nov 15 4.31pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 4.22pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm After watching the very annoying Question Time last night I have concluded that many people seem to be focused on what ISIL want us to do and what will happen after any assault on them and the loss of lives etc. This is all the language of fear. We must not worry about what ISIL want and how they are playing us, we must destroy them in the territory they hold and we must round up and imprison or deport anyone involved with them. There is no negotiation to be had, there is no easy fix. There is no chance of coming out of this without innocent lives being lost, maybe even here in Britain. We must form a coalition of forces with the interested parties and get the job done. If we can avoid putting our own troops on the ground then that will be a major result. After all it is not Europe who stands to lose the most if ISIL remain effective in the region. Time to stop poncing around with what ifs and get the job done with all means necessary. I suspect next week's Spending Review has not made any provision for a land assault on ISIS. However, we have flogged some of MOD's London estate to the Arabs to turn into a 5* hotel, sacked soldiers so we can sell off their barracks and mothballed a lot of stuff that flew or floated. Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet. Yawn. Austerity, you don't know what it means. Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty? Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor. You know exactly what I meant. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm) You do assume an awful lot but in my view you're still well off the mark! There are some very interesting papers on austerity and sincerely, I think it's worth looking at one. Opinions are polarised. Cuts are relatively easy for a government to make on the public sector but can be very damaging in the longer-term. They can have a negative impact on the very situation they were trying to address in the first place. I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS? Amen Well that cleared things up. I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident. The question isn't whether we need to replace Trident, its really what do we replace it with. Like for like is another 'defence white elephant'. As i said, replacing Trident is a no-brain idea and a complete waste of money.
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ghosteagle

23 Nov 15 4.31pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Nov 2015 4.22pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 3.07pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 23 Nov 2015 2.58pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 23 Nov 2015 1.09pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 22 Nov 2015 11.36pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 21 Nov 2015 7.42pm

Quote Percy of Peckham at 21 Nov 2015 7.38pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 20 Nov 2015 12.36pm

Yawn.

Austerity, you don't know what it means.

Hmmm, I don't think you do? Do you understand the difference between austerity measures and poverty?

Slightly pedantic. Austerity is also a bad economic condition that does not allow for luxury. That implies deprivation. Deprivation does not necessarily make anyone genuinely poor.

You know exactly what I meant.
Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Nov 2015 1.12pm)

I've never even mentioned poverty. My original post was in response to yours about dealing with ISIS - they need to be exterminated like a nest of rats where they currently are or else they will regroup and set up elsewhere. My fear is that because of cuts we have lost the capacity to contribute anything effective on the ground. A few extra drones will not replace all the troops and equipment we've lost in recent years. Do we really need a replacement for Trident when we can't deal with ISIS?

Amen

Well that cleared things up.

I'm afraid your last sentence stuck out. Of course we need to replace Trident.

The question isn't whether we need to replace Trident, its really what do we replace it with. Like for like is another 'defence white elephant'.

As i said, replacing Trident is a no-brain idea and a complete waste of money.

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